Batman Forever The Official Batman Forever Thread - Part 2

[Two-Face]

Some how my webpage crashed so anyway I've forgotten to post here;

Now on to the thread. Two-Face has never flipped over multiple times to get what he wants he will flip once based on the decision what Two-Face did in BF was out of character.

 

[CountOrlok]

Well if it can happen under "extenuating circumstances", that's different to "it could never happen", and what if the situation in Batman Forever was extenuating circumstances like in Batman #398?

Not saying it's the same, nope. I still stand by my theory he is flipping the coin for every opportunity he has to shoot Bruce Wayne, because of his promise to the Riddler "no killing".

 

[The Joker]

I condense this page into one post made by The Joker.

That doesn't count, CountOrlok. Harvey Dent was having a mental breakdown in that issue:

That's why that happened. It's the only time it's ever happen, under extenuating circumstances.

Now on to the thread. Two-Face has never flipped over multiple times to get what he wants he will flip once based on the decision what Two-Face did in BF was out of character.

Thank you all

Especially from you, Two-Face. You'd know best

 

[CountOrlok]

Sorry, far from case-closed. The jury is still out.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Is this a serious debate....

I don't think I've ever seen anyone interpret that scene as "oh he has to flip the coin for every time he has a chance to shoot Bruce!" except for CountOrlok here. Two-Face was clearly itching to kill Bruce because he was "oh so crazy". Schumacher probably didn't understand the character all that well.

 

[Thoix]

Not saying it's the same, nope. I still stand by my theory he is flipping the coin for every opportunity he has to shoot Bruce Wayne, because of his promise to the Riddler "no killing".

Yes, that's why he was about to blow Bruce's brains out until Riddler intervened. Harvey was about to break the promise he made to Riddler and kill Bruce. The entire scene is just a mess and proves how terrible Batman Forever's characterization for Two-Face really is.

 

[CountOrlok]

He was about to break Riddler's promise because he's Two-Face. "That goes double for you." It's spelled out in the film.

 

[CountOrlok]

Chase moves behind him, up to the landing, turns to see Bruce fell another with a spinning back kick, a third with a flying back-fist. Bruce and Chase race to the top of the stairs. 413 TWO-FACE stands on the floor below. Just the moment he's been waiting for. TWO-FACE See ya. He SHOOTS. The bullet grazes Bruce's head. He falls down the grand staircase. CHASE SCREAMS as Thugs grab her. BRUCE hits the floor. Hard. No movement. None at all.

http://www.screenwritersutopia.com/scriptdb/media/727.html

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Two Face doesn't stand on the floor below. He was sitting in a chair flipping his coin over and over. He doesn't say 'See ya' either when he shoots. That script is all wrong. So are you, CountOrlok.

 

[CountOrlok]

Two Face doesn't stand on the floor below. He was sitting in a chair flipping his coin over and over. He doesn't say 'See ya' either when he shoots. That script is all wrong. So are you, CountOrlok.

No script is exactly like the movie. I'm showing you what the intent was, behind that scene.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Why do you think that was the intent? That script for that scene has none of the dialogue that's in the movie. It doesn't even have Two Face tossing his coin in the first place. Not even the promise about no killing that you keep mentioning.

 

[CountOrlok]

Because it's right there, written in black and white. I already told you, no script is exactly like the movie. It's more like a blueprint, a guide for the cast/production team to follow.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

That's not proof. If they changed all the dialogue, the promise of no killing, where and how Dent shot him, the multiple coin flipping and so forth then they must have changed that as well because that script says he was just standing there waiting for the moment to shoot Bruce. That's not how it was in the movie. In the movie he was sitting down in the same chair flipping his coin over and over until it came up yes side so he could take his shot at Bruce. He wasn't standing just waiting to take a shot at him. That script contradicts the movie. So it's not proof. It's wrong.

 

[CountOrlok]

That's not proof. If they changed all the dialogue, the promise of no killing, where and how Dent shot him, the multiple coin flipping and so forth then they must have changed that as well because that script says he was just standing there waiting for the moment to shoot Bruce. That's not how it was in the movie. In the movie he was sitting down in the same chair flipping his coin over and over until it came up yes side so he could take his shot at Bruce. He wasn't standing just waiting to take a shot at him. That script contradicts the movie. So it's not proof. It's wrong.

Wrong. Watch the movie again. He is waiting in that room. He doesn't flip the coin until Bruce and Chase run in, being pursued by his goons. If your theory is correct, he would have flipped his coin before that. But he doesn't. He waits until Bruce has entered the room. Obviously, he couldn't have shot Bruce Wayne through the wall, he had to wait until he was within his sights.

 

[titansupes]

Is this a serious debate....

I don't think I've ever seen anyone interpret that scene as "oh he has to flip the coin for every time he has a chance to shoot Bruce!" except for CountOrlok here. Two-Face was clearly itching to kill Bruce because he was "oh so crazy". Schumacher probably didn't understand the character all that well.

Yep.

 

[Two-Face]

Is this a serious debate....

I don't think I've ever seen anyone interpret that scene as "oh he has to flip the coin for every time he has a chance to shoot Bruce!" except for CountOrlok here. Two-Face was clearly itching to kill Bruce because he was "oh so crazy". Schumacher probably didn't understand the character all that well.

Yeah Schumacher didn't understand the character he could have read some comics maybe he did but he still didn't get it also writer (s) job to tell the director do it this way not other way around.

Also Two-Face doesn't need to flip every time there is situation he can simply do it or not do it all but bare in mind it depends what situation is of course.

 

[The Joker]

Is this a serious debate....

No. That's why I ended it. It's like debating about whether Batman wears a cape.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone interpret that scene as "oh he has to flip the coin for every time he has a chance to shoot Bruce!" except for CountOrlok here. Two-Face was clearly itching to kill Bruce because he was "oh so crazy". Schumacher probably didn't understand the character all that well.

Exactly.

Yeah Schumacher didn't understand the character he could have read some comics maybe he did but he still didn't get it also writer (s) job to tell the director do it this way not other way around.

Also Two-Face doesn't need to flip every time there is situation he can simply do it or not do it all but bare in mind it depends what situation is of course.

 

[CountOrlok]

"Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." - Mahatma Gandhi

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/85917943259/legends-of-the-dark-knight-the-new-batman

 

[CountOrlok]

Jim Carrey, the superhero:

Jim Carrey, the supervillain:

 

[Mr_336]

WE should really do a director's cut of Batman forever

In an age where a fan can make The Cobbler and the Thief as complete as possible, why the hell hasn't anyone got the nads to do a "Re-Cobbled" version of Batman Forever yet?

Seriously, I'd rather someone do that than continueously wait for director's cut that might not ever come

 

[Uncle Radiation]

In an age where a fan can make The Cobbler and the Thief as complete as possible, why the hell hasn't anyone got the nads to do a "Re-Cobbled" version of Batman Forever yet?

Er...they have. There are a few on the net.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiK2z_E_BBY

 

[Two-Face]

I prefer this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HczEQaVCc

Even though Bob Kane's name spelled wrong.

 

[Uncle Radiation]

I prefer this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HczEQaVCc

Even though Bob Kane's name spelled wrong.

But it goes against the tone of the film. Making the deleted Arkham opening grey goes against the art direction and concept of the scenes. It's supposed to be hyper-reality, it's supposed to be bold flashes of colour on black.

The idea of a 'much darker cut' is a laughable and embarrassing fan idea. Batman Forever has dark moments and light moments. And the are entwined. You can't just take out what you don't like.

This fan idea of 'darker = better' is absurd.