The Official Boxing Thread!!! - Part 2

[Assassin32]

Manny was on something, and hasn't looked the same since it's been talked about publicly. Hell, even Freddie Roach basically admits to this now.

Would you mind finding me some of the links where Roach "basically admits" this?


I'd like to talk about the undercard for Mayweather-Pacquiao, which could prove more interesting than the main event. HBO and Showtime have the opportunity to ignite a new interest in the sport of boxing all over the world. Everyone will be watching, and there seems to be no end to the number of meaningful match-ups that can be made. All I've heard is that Abner Mares might earn a spot, but I really wish they would load it up with quality fights.

 

[Doc Samson]

Would you mind finding me some of the links where Roach "basically admits" this?

Of course Roach wouldn't want to outright incriminate his prized jewel, but he's given enough statements to illustrate how he was kept out of the loop with what Ariza was doing, and became very skeptical of him. Because of that, among other things, Ariza was fired. If Roach had no reason to suspect anything foul, why mention any of it to the media? To smear Ariza? Please, Ariza has enough of a reputation as it is. Roach only spoke on it, IMO, to publicly separate himself from any negative attention if something illegal was discovered.

This is the Bush League of promotions and you know it. Who cares if this has been built up for 6 years, Haymon and TMT are greedy bastards.

And Arum/Top Rank aren't?

Ofcourse now he's not going to risk getting caught like his TMT team has been caught in the past. That's why he got Heredia, the foremost expert in concealing PED usage. Fact, look it up.

If you seriously believe Floyd needs PEDs to beat Manny, you're simply in denial. That, or you know this most likely won't be a competitive fight and you're already making excuses.

Speaking of Ariza, we can also reverse it on him too, for the longest time Floyd, his camp and his fans accused him of being Pac's dealer for steroids and PEDs, but now that he's in camp TMT, he's clean? He's just a straight laced guy that's part of the team? And what's Memo Heredia doing in camp TMT? Answer that

Not until you can answer why all of sudden, in 2015, Manny can have no problem with drug testing but in 2009, he's deathly afraid of needles? Why, in almost every fight since Ariza was canned, he slows down after the 5th round? Why he hasn't been able to knock anyone out in 6 years? Answer some of those!

 

[Fallen Angel]

I hope the undercard on the night is top class. We've not had a really good one it seems in years.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Of course Roach wouldn't want to outright incriminate his prized jewel, but he's given enough statements to illustrate how he was kept out of the loop with what Ariza was doing, and became very skeptical of him. Because of that, among other things, Ariza was fired. If Roach had no reason to suspect anything foul, why mention any of it to the media? To smear Ariza? Please, Ariza has enough of a reputation as it is. Roach only spoke on it, IMO, to publicly separate himself from any negative attention if something illegal was discovered.



And Arum/Top Rank aren't?



If you seriously believe Floyd needs PEDs to beat Manny, you're simply in denial. That, or you know this most likely won't be a competitive fight and you're already making excuses.


Not until you can answer why all of sudden, in 2015, Manny can have no problem with drug testing but in 2009, he's deathly afraid of needles? Why, in almost every fight since Ariza was canned, he slows down after the 5th round? Why he hasn't been able to knock anyone out in 6 years? Answer some of those!

No them and Golden Boy aren't. They both would've gone all out with the promotions. Just look at past fights.

If Mayweather all of a sudden KO's Pac like Marquez did then something is definitely up. If he outboxes him, then meh, nothing new.


I never denied something was up with those Ariza shakes, but you honestly think nothing is fishy with BOTH Ariza and Memo Heredia in Mayweather's corner? Seriously why is Heredia even there?

 

[Fallen Angel]

You fools it was clearly his own branded protein shakes that Ariza was selling.

 

[Doc Samson]

If Mayweather all of a sudden KO's Pac like Marquez did then something is definitely up. If he outboxes him, then meh, nothing new.

Well here's the thing, I never thought it would be out of the question that he could knock Manny out simply because I've never thought Manny had a great chin. Through his march up the division, he was never really hit by any of those bigger guys. As I've said many times, they were mostly slow and plodding brawlers who he could outwork and move away from before absorbing any real damage.

It's also not like Manny hasn't been put on his can a few times either, and that was before Marquez put him to sleep. It's really up to Floyd and his approach, if he decides to apply more pressure than usual, and stay in the pocket a little longer, there's no doubt Manny will be open for some big shots. Manny's style is the main reason I never thought he'd beat Floyd, or even be that competitive.

Honestly, the only thing that concerns me about this fight is the chance Floyd tries to brawl Manny just because everyone says he can't, and he tries to prove a point. IF that happens, it'll be interesting because that would be the only scenario where Manny would have an opportunity to win IMO.

I never denied something was up with those Ariza shakes, but you honestly think nothing is fishy with BOTH Ariza and Memo Heredia in Mayweather's corner? Seriously why is Heredia even there?

I'm not saying it might not be fishy, but I'm not sure it's strictly because he's about to fight Paq either. Ariza started hanging around Mayweather's gym before the Maidana rematch. So who knows what their association is, but he's been fine without Ariza, I don't think he's going to make that much of a difference now...

 

[Fallen Angel]

Tomorrow night guy's Thurman V Guerrero I foresee a late stoppage for Thurman.

Broner back in action against Molina Jr.

 

[Doc Samson]

I would expect (and hope) Broner uses more movement than he has in the past or it might be another long night...

 

[Iron_Stark]

Broner's still a chump. His defense still sucks and his footwork is abysmal. Haymon will continue to protect him from his Argentine daddy's Matthysse and Maidana.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Broner is a fatty too.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Even at 140 he looks bloated.

AB, Argentina's B_ch

 

[Fallen Angel]

Agreed, Broner should go back down to Lightweight.

Thurman looked class, that boy will be a superstar if he keeps this up.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Golovkin to fight Willie Monroe Jr on May 16th.

Willie's record is - 19-1-0 (6KO)

http://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-golovkin-willie-monroe-jr-set-16--88457

 

[Doc Samson]

Respect Berto's win, but he was also getting his ass handed to him for a good portion of the fight, I'm not sure if that puts him back in the mix or not...

 

[GalenMarek]

I picked Manny Pacquiao because he is great at what he does.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Great fight tonight. Slightly early stoppage, but a good performance by both men, and the Krusher crushed in the end. On a side note, they need to get rid of the decals in the middle of the ring. Kovalev almost tore his knee up tonight more then once on it.

Respect Berto's win, but he was also getting his ass handed to him for a good portion of the fight, I'm not sure if that puts him back in the mix or not...

He is done, if he ever really started. That fight just showed how pathetic he is now.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Let's hope that clown who has the balls to call himself Superman was watching. PAscal is a tough old goat but he has nothing against Kovalev.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Let's hope that clown who has the balls to call himself Superman was watching. PAscal is a tough old goat but he has nothing against Kovalev.

He no want none. It is an embarrassment that Stevenson is the lineal and Ring champipn.

 

[Assassin32]

Golovkin to fight Willie Monroe Jr on May 16th.

Willie's record is - 19-1-0 (6KO)

http://www.boxingscene.com/gennady-golovkin-willie-monroe-jr-set-16--88457

I will say this: I love that Golovkin keeps busy, constantly improving his craft. You can only get so much from sparring. He's like a throwback fighter. Most modern stars are essentially part-time prizefighters, and it's a shame; two fights a year is a joke for a world champion.

 

[Docker2.0]

I applaud GGG for staying active but come on! He's fighting cab drivers! And I still think he's a protected fighter. He won't fight Lara because there's no money in that fight but there is with this Willie guy!? He's 33 and doesn't have not one signature win to state that he arrived. Lara would have been that and so would Bernard Hopkins who has called out GGG but yet he still ducks certain fighters. Dude is good but overhyped like a mofo!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I applaud GGG for staying active but come on! He's fighting cab drivers! And I still think he's a protected fighter. He won't fight Lara because there's no money in that fight but there is with this Willie guy!? He's 33 and doesn't have not one signature win to state that he arrived. Lara would have been that and so would Bernard Hopkins who has called out GGG but yet he still ducks certain fighters. Dude is good but overhyped like a mofo!

Hopkins fights at 175. Please, say something sensible.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Hopkins apparently did say he was willing to come down for either Ward or Golovvkin man. Not sure how true that is though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hopkins apparently did say he was willing to come down for either Ward or Golovvkin man. Not sure how true that is though.

How far is he going to come down? The point is, he is a much, much bigger fighter. Also, pretty sure Hopkins said he didn't want to fight Ward.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hopkins apparently did say he was willing to come down for either Ward or Golovvkin man. Not sure how true that is though.

Hopkins has said that he's willing to meet at 168, the same weight GGG is begging to meet JCC Jr but not Ward. It amazes me how people have selective memory when it comes to this guy. He's one of the most protected media hyped up guys I've ever seen. And he's no spring chicken. He may never get these big money fights because of how picky his handlers are.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hopkins has said that he's willing to meet at 168, the same weight GGG is begging to meet JCC Jr but not Ward. It amazes me how people have selective memory when it comes to this guy. He's one of the most protected media hyped up guys I've ever seen. And he's no spring chicken. He may never get these big money fights because of how picky his handlers are.

No one at 160 will fight him. How is that his fault? Cotto and Canelo are scared.

Hopkins coming down from 175 to 168 doesn't change what he would rehydrate to.