The Official Boxing Thread!!!

[Assassin32]

Not sure if you know this (which clearly you don't), but in boxing the point is you have to win "ROUNDS" in a 10 point must system and not the amount of times you drop your opponent in 2 fights.

This might be shocking to you, but if a boxer gets drops 3 times in one round that boxer can still win if he wins the other rounds.

You're a damn fool. The point totals are announced at the end of each fight, not the number of rounds won, because it is the points that matter. Did you hear Michael Buffer announce that Bradley had won by a score of seven rounds to five last Saturday night? No, because what was relevant was that two judges awarded him 115 points to Pacquiao's 113. When you get knocked down, you lose a point, and that chages the complexion of the fight. I gave Marquez seven rounds in his first bout with Pacquiao, but he only scored 112 points on account of getting thoroughly embarrassed and almost stopped in the first round.

Regardless, all three of those fights were as close as can be, so to argue vehemently for either man reveals an unfair bias. I just happened to feel that Pacquiao came out ahead twice.

Talk about a fanboy.

90% of the boxing community saw that JMM beat Pacquaio.

You're not too bright either. You pulled that ninety percent out of your ass. No such figure exists. No such figure can even be calculated because of the sophomoric way you formed your statement.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

That is real

I think this was debunked already. Fake.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

You're a damn fool. The point totals are announced at the end of each fight, not the number of rounds won, because it is the points that matter. Did you hear Michael Buffer announce that Bradley had won by a score of seven rounds to five last Saturday night? No, because what was relevant was that two judges awarded him 115 points to Pacquiao's 113. When you get knocked down, you lose a point, and that chages the complexion of the fight..

Hahahaa, how dense are you?

Of course I know that, everybody and their mom's knows that. I been judging rounds of boxing since I was a kid, it's a hobby of mine, so I know how to properly score a fight/rounds. Okay then let me change my wording for you; "I feel Marquez won more points that Pac". lol

I gave Marquez seven rounds in his first bout with Pacquiao, but he only scored 112 points on account of getting thoroughly embarrassed and almost stopped in the first round.

Yes, I had Pac winning their first fight as well, but I had JMM winning II and III.

But anyways this is what I'm getting at, say Boxer(A) is knocked down 3 times in a round...that's a 10-6 round for Boxer(B) right? But let’s say the Boxer(A) that got knocked down out-boxes Boxer(B) for the major of the others rounds?

Example:
Rd1. 10-6 - Boxer (B)
Rd2. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd3. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd4. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd5. 10-9 - Boxer (B)
Rd6 10-9 - Boxer (B)
Rd7. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd8. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd9. 10-9 - Boxer (B)
Rd10. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd11. 9-10 - Boxer (A)
Rd12. 9-10 - Boxer (A)

Final score: 113-112 for Boxer (A)

Even though Boxer(A) got KD 3 times in the first round he still wins (in my scenario above) because he won the majority of the other rounds, if you believe just because the boxer that got knocked down 3 time in a fight means the other boxer automatically wins then you are not scoring boxing matches properly. Sadly, you are just being mesmerized by knock downs.

Another example, watch the recent Campillo vs Cloud fight, Campillo got knocked down a few times in that match but the majority of the boxing writers and experts had Campillo still winning that fight because he out-boxed Cloud for the reminder of the fight. Look it up. That fight was one of the worse decision of this year. The point I’m getting at is the boxer needs to win rounds/points and not just get a few knock downs in one round then cruise the remaining rounds thinking he is going to win just because of those knock downs.

 

[Assassin32]

I'll let this guy bury himself with his redundacy and lackluster handle on English composition... So, Canelo vesus Ortiz in September, you guys. Not a bad scrap.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I'll let this guy bury himself with his redundacy and lackluster handle on English composition.

So you rather point out my rushed composition then to add to our discussion? mmkay.

Oh and FYI it's spelled redundancy and not redundacy.

 

[Slushy]

So apparently the results before hand in wwe wrestling are less certain than boxing.

Seriously, the only thing missing from the fight was the scorekeeper jumping in the ring and laying out Pacquaio with a steel chair while the ref wasn't looking. Or maybe tossing Bradley some brass knucks. If you're going to go WWE style when it comes to doing some controversial BS, you may as well go all the way.

Might as well nickname this fight "The Las Vegas Screwjob".

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Seriously, the only thing missing from the fight was the scorekeeper jumping in the ring and laying out Pacquaio with a steel chair while the ref wasn't looking. Or maybe tossing Bradley some brass knucks. If you're going to go WWE style when it comes to doing some controversial BS, you may as well go all the way.

Might as well nickname this fight "The Las Vegas Screwjob".

Agreed, all they need is The Mouth Of The South and Bobby The Brain

 

[Assassin32]

Oh and FYI it's spelled redundancy and not redundacy.

I didn't misspell anything so much as I simply missed a keystroke. I see you scoured my post desperately looking for a flaw, as evidenced by the late edit you made to the above quote and the post from which it originates.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

I didn't misspell anything so much as I simply missed a keystroke. I see you scoured my post desperately looking for a flaw, as evidenced by the late edit you made to the above quote and the post from which it originates.

Wow too funny, really I edited my last post so I wouldn't get any warnings from the SHH mods.

Anyways hopefully you got something out of this discussion in how to properly score rounds/fights.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

WBO Prez: We Can Not Reverse Pacquiao-Bradley Decision


By Rey Colon

The World Boxing Organization, led by Puerto Rico's President Francisco ‘Paco‘ Valcárcel, will have the organization's Championship Committee evaluate the controversial fight between Manny Pacquiao and Timothy Bradley, where Bradley captured the WBO's welterweight title with a split decision (113-115, 115-113, 115-113). The result has been highly protested all over the world.

Valcárcel informed BoxingScene.com that the WBO selected five (5) recognized international judges, including Puerto Rico's Nelson Vázquez, who will review the video and then take a vote regarding the result. The WBO will then follow their regulations, making Pacquiao the number one contender or ordering an immediate rematch, but the are unable to reverse the decision.

As a courtesy, the WBO will send their review to the Athletic Commission of the State of Nevada.

“We want to get the impression of five international judges but we can not reverse the decision. Of course, we can place [Pacquiao] at number one [in the rankings] and arrange a rematch. But we want to check because five pairs of eyes can see better than three. We are going to compare [our findings] with the official cards and submit our opinion" Paco indicated.

 

[Assassin32]

Wow too funny, really I edited my last post so I wouldn't get any warnings from the SHH mods.

No, you didn't. I was able to read your post before you edited it. And you have edited it yet again since I pointed out your first edit. Don't quote this post and respond. There's no need.

So, Chavez Jr. fights Andy Lee on HBO this Saturday. I'm actually somewhat excited, if only to see Chavez turn this guy inside out. Though, I won't respect Chavez until he fights the real middleweight champion, Sergio Martinez. Or Canelo. I'll take Chavez vs. Canelo any time.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Yeah I can admit when I'm wrong, and I do admit that I re-edited my posts a few times. But unlike you I can admit when I am wrong.

Anyways, moving on....

Who else is excited for the Humberto Soto vs Lucas Matthysse fight? I will definitely be attending this event in person at the Staples Center!

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Wow a fourth one?


Pacquiao wants fourth Marquez fight in Mexico



Forget about a rematch with Timothy Bradley—Manny “PacMan” Pacquiao is now more interested in a fourth fight with arch-rival Juan Manuel Marquez in November, preferably in Marquez’ home turf in Mexico.

Guesting Sunday (Monday in Manila) at ESPN Deportes’ “Golpe A Golpe,” Pacquiao said his preference is to fight Marquez, who has previously fought Pacquiao in three very close thrillers that were very close and controversial.

Pacquiao said “it’s all up to Bob Arum,” Top Rank chief executive who promotes PacMan, adding he would be “happy to fight Marquez in Mexico.”

Marquez grinned approvingly at the prospect of getting his wish for a final fight with Pacquiao before he finally hung his gloves.

During the interview, Pacquiao asked Marquez, boxing analyst for the popular boxing program, what he thought of Saturday night’s title fight at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, in which Pacquiao was dethroned by the unbeaten American challenger in a stunning split decision.

“You won, you won by four [rounds],” Marquez said in Spanish.

Arum later told The Manila Times that Pacquiao-Marquez in Mexico “is a great idea.”

Asked by this writer if a Pacquiao-Bradley rematch as stipulated in the fight contract is still a priority for him, Arum flatly said “Heck, No!”

The Hall of Fame promoter said it would be tough selling that rematch because boxing fans were outraged by the split decision verdict by the judges in a fight that Pacquiao “clearly won.”

Holding the fight in Mexico, where both Pacquiao and Mar-quez have very strong following would be a promoter’s dream, Arum said.

According to the Mexican media, some 37 million—at third of Mexico’s total population—watched the third Pacquiao-Marquez encounter on television last November.

Boxing commentators predicted that it would be easy for a fourth fight to fill a huge soccer field which can accommodate tens of thousands in Mexico City.

 

[Poetic Chaos]

No desire to see a 4th foot stomping match. And the Bradley decision is nothing like the Marquez fights because none of those 3 fights were blowouts.

 

[B]

Do I really want to see Marquez get screwed over again..? Emm.. No. Not interested at all in another Pacquiao/Marquez fight.

For now, I'm not interested in any fights that have Bob Arum involved in any capacity.

 

[Docker2.0]

Man does JCC Jr suck! Arum built this kid up fighting weaklings. Dude is a straight paper champ. He needs to grow some balls and fight Sergio.

 

[Project862006]

arum announced

Chavez Jr vs Sergio Martinez for september HBO PPV

 

[Assassin32]

I would say Maravilla by brutal KO, but Chavez is essentially a light heavyweight now, and Martinez has always been undersized at 160. It may get rough, but Sergio Martinez should be able to dance circles around Junior and take back the belt that was stolen from him.

 

[Docker2.0]

Do I really want to see Marquez get screwed over again..? Emm.. No. Not interested at all in another Pacquiao/Marquez fight.

For now, I'm not interested in any fights that have Bob Arum involved in any capacity.

Agreed! I didn't buy the Paq/Bradley fight because I felt like Paq would walk over dude, in which he did. I saw it for free and I'm probably not going to buy any more fights until Paq and Mayweather get in the ring, which is probably never.

arum announced

Chavez Jr vs Sergio Martinez for september HBO PPV

I can't believe they are putting this on PPV. Neither of them are huge draws per say. But I do plan on seeing it just to see Martinez knock JCC Jr. out. Dude is a overrated, protected fighter who fights in a division 20 lbs overweight the night of fights. It's a huge unfair advantage.

 

[Doc Samson]

I can't believe they are putting this on PPV. Neither of them are huge draws per say. But I do plan on seeing it just to see Martinez knock JCC Jr. out. Dude is a overrated, protected fighter who fights in a division 20 lbs overweight the night of fights. It's a huge unfair advantage.

I agree. His lack of skill is most likely why he doesn't just fight at his natural weight, aside from the fact that most of the biggest fights Arum could put together for him are at Middleweight. We'll find out about him real soon though...

 

[Assassin32]

Honestly, I was once one of Chavez's biggest detractors, because it was abundantly clear that he was being protected due to the money-making potential of his name. He has since improved his craft, though, and I commend him; Marco Antonio Rubio and Andy Lee are good fighters, and they would have exposed Chavez, size and strength advantage notwithstanding, if he hadn't developed significantly under Freddy Roach. I still don't think Chavez will ever mature into a pound-for-pounder, but he was once an outright terrible boxer and now he's certainly a rung above gatekeeper.

Maravilla will still spark him. But it will be fun.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Man does JCC Jr suck! Arum built this kid up fighting weaklings. Dude is a straight paper champ. He needs to grow some balls and fight Sergio.

Lmao, looks like he's got bigger balls than Mayweather since he is going to be fighting Martinez now.

Agreed! I didn't buy the Paq/Bradley fight because I felt like Paq would walk over dude, in which he did. I saw it for free and I'm probably not going to buy any more fights until Paq and Mayweather get in the ring, which is probably never.


I can't believe they are putting this on PPV. Neither of them are huge draws per say. But I do plan on seeing it just to see Martinez knock JCC Jr. out. Dude is a overrated, protected fighter who fights in a division 20 lbs overweight the night of fights. It's a huge unfair advantage.

He's the third or fourth biggest draw after Mayweather, Pac and Canelo. And he and Canelo pull in Superbowl equivelent numbers in Mexico and Latin America.

Its too bad Kirkland *****ed out of the fight against Canelo, otherwise that would've been the more interesting fight. Looks like I'll be seeing the JCC Jr/Martinez fight that night since ce that one is more interesting than seeing Ortiz b**** out of another big fight when he fights Canelo that night.

 

[Doc Samson]

Lmao, looks like he's got bigger balls than Mayweather since he is going to be fighting Martinez now.

How you continue to think a boxer on the level of Mayweather (or any other professional fighter for that matter) is "scared" of another fighter is beyond me.

Pacquiao could've fought Martinez too, in fact Martinez has publicly disrespected Manny and his skills numerous times, and I never heard a peep from Manny or his camp about it, so how big are his balls?

But your also the same guy who said Floyd was scared of Cotto. So after he beat him of course you probably thought Cotto was already damaged goods from fighting Pac. But on the same token you never admit that maybe Floyd softened up some of Pac's opponents by beating them up first as well. Typical.

 

[Docker2.0]

Shhhhhhhh Doc! You're making to much sense for him. You lost him when you said anything positive about Mayweather.

 

[Iron_Stark]

They both b***ed out of fighting Martinez. What's your point. You're sayin Jr needs to find some balls to fight Maravilla, yet never say the same thing about Mayweather, and now that Jr is fighting Sergio, you stay quiet. You also implied that Jr was scared to fight Sergio, then say no professional fighter is scared to fight other fighters as soon as I say the same thing about Mayweather, typical hypocracy from you.

Cotto was damaged goods from the Margarito figth, it took Mayweather that long to sack up and fight Cotto, and even then he didn't beat him like Pac did.

Mayweather may not be scared of Sergio per say, but he sure as s*** is scared of losing that "0". I mean that's all he's got, nobody (except certain people) likes him, he's not an exciting fighter, he's not likable, he's an insecure spoiled woman beating crybaby. That undefeated record is all that's the draw that he has, people pay to see him lose it, which is why he carefully cherry picks his opponenets.