First Avenger The Official Captain America Critic's Review Thread - Part 2

[Hunter Rider]

At 71%

That's a hell of a comeback after that bad start, it's doubled it's score.

 

[marcvader]

Was up to 73% for a while.

 

[Iceman]

Hunter Rider was nice enough to send me back my post, very cool. So I'll reword it a bit.

It seems as if I've been seeing a lot of the critics who bash the film, do so because the Character of Captain America is not "troubled" or does not have "internal conflict" or does not have a dark side to him. That Capt is too one dimensional and Skull is too one dimensional as an evil guy. They feel that everything needs to be shades of grey.

Sometimes, there is just black and white, pure good against pure evil. Captain America embodies pure good, which is why I prefer to him to others heroes, and this does not make him one dimensional. Captain America does not let those shades of grey even slip in because that just is not him, it's not his style, it's not what he likes or wants. That is much more admirable than the jaded hero that has become all too common place in today's society. Red Skull, like the real life Hitler, was pure evil. Anyone who wants to kill masses of people, is pure evil. Sometimes black is black, and white is white. And I prefer to look up to and strive to be the white hero, not the grey one. (and don't even try to say that's a racist statement... i Know someone will try it, lol)

This is why I like Cap (616). He is the ultimate good guy & most durable bastion of goodness. It's great that other heroes are a lot more conflicted and have darker sides to their character but Cap is the one guy I want to stay true to what he is.

 

[Marvin]

Hunter Rider was nice enough to send me back my post, very cool. So I'll reword it a bit.

It seems as if I've been seeing a lot of the critics who bash the film, do so because the Character of Captain America is not "troubled" or does not have "internal conflict" or does not have a dark side to him. That Capt is too one dimensional and Skull is too one dimensional as an evil guy. They feel that everything needs to be shades of grey.

Sometimes, there is just black and white, pure good against pure evil. Captain America embodies pure good, which is why I prefer to him to others heroes, and this does not make him one dimensional. Captain America does not let those shades of grey even slip in because that just is not him, it's not his style, it's not what he likes or wants. That is much more admirable than the jaded hero that has become all too common place in today's society. Red Skull, like the real life Hitler, was pure evil. Anyone who wants to kill masses of people, is pure evil. Sometimes black is black, and white is white. And I prefer to look up to and strive to be the white hero, not the grey one. (and don't even try to say that's a racist statement... i Know someone will try it, lol)

this is what you were going on about?
I assume it's greatly edited down.

I tend to agree sometimes it is black and white, but at the same time there is something to be said for a sophisticated audience. I mean I have a friend that swears by the old Disney's way of story telling. The witch wanted to kill snow white because she's pretty and innocent(and white), he say's that's what's missing form modern animation. However the villain in the incredibles for example is a different sort of beast.

Both have their place you just need to make sure you have an audience that's looking for it. If cap is a throw back to the black and white days, I say go for it, just know some people will miss the point.

 

[wobbly]

Actually with all talk of pro-America films these days, I was expecting a lot more talk of politics in these forums.

And comparing Red Skull to say George Bush isn't so far from the mark if you ask my simple Canadian self.

Does the film have anything to say about political issues the critics have been kinda mum on that front.

Lol. I can't say I think much of Mr Bush, but he's no Red Skull

And seriously, why should the film delve into any political issues beyond the obvious that were present in WW2? Allies=Good Guys - Axis=Bad guys (yes, we know the Soviets and Stalin in particular were no angels but that was a issue after the war, not during it).

Modern day politics, and all it's copious shades of gray, have zero place in perhaps the only truly justifiable War there has ever been.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Much of today's audience wants somebody who's got legit character flaws, because let's be honest ..... they probably do too. JMHO

 

[Rock Sexton]

Lol. I can't say I think much of Mr Bush, but he's no Red Skull

And seriously, why should the film delve into any political issues beyond the obvious that were present in WW2? Allies=Good Guys - Axis=Bad guys (yes, we know the Soviets and Stalin in particular were no angels but that was a issue after the war, not during it).

Modern day politics, and all it's copious shades of gray, have zero place in perhaps the only truly justifiable War there has ever been.

Agreed.

 

[weezerspider]

this is what you were going on about?
I assume it's greatly edited down.

I tend to agree sometimes it is black and white, but at the same time there is something to be said for a sophisticated audience. I mean I have a friend that swears by the old Disney's way of story telling. The witch wanted to kill snow white because she's pretty and innocent(and white), he say's that's what's missing form modern animation. However the villain in the incredibles for example is a different sort of beast.

Both have their place you just need to make sure you have an audience that's looking for it. If cap is a throw back to the black and white days, I say go for it, just know some people will miss the point.

Well, if you've experience true evil in your life(I'm assuming you haven't judging by your comments) you'd know the more realistic approach is Black and White. Regardless of what the artsy-farty and liberals will have you think, 9 times out of 10, its a black and white situation. Ask my my best friend who was killed right before my eyes in Desert Storm.

 

[peterparker0077]

this is what you were going on about?
I assume it's greatly edited down.

I tend to agree sometimes it is black and white, but at the same time there is something to be said for a sophisticated audience. I mean I have a friend that swears by the old Disney's way of story telling. The witch wanted to kill snow white because she's pretty and innocent(and white), he say's that's what's missing form modern animation. However the villain in the incredibles for example is a different sort of beast.

Both have their place you just need to make sure you have an audience that's looking for it. If cap is a throw back to the black and white days, I say go for it, just know some people will miss the point.

I think people mistakingly lump "sophisticated" in with the "shades of grey" type characters. Genuine good heroes are sometimes much more sophisticated and have just as much depth of character, like Rodgers.

 

[peterparker0077]

Much of today's audience wants somebody who's got legit character flaws, because let's be honest ..... they probably do too. JMHO

I don't want a hero that I look up too to have flaws. He's not an actual hero if he has flaws, he's just like me. I don't want to strive to be more like myself, I want to strive to be better than what I am, I want to know there are heroes out there who are genuinely good. JMHO

 

[Rock Sexton]

I don't want a hero that I look up too to have flaws. He's not an actual hero if he has flaws, he's just like me. I don't want to strive to be more like myself, I want to strive to be better than what I am, I want to know there are heroes out there who are genuinely good. JMHO

Again, it's just something I perceive. It's depicted in a lot of TV and movies these days. That's why you don't see many earnest characters like Steve Rogers.

 

[Tony Stark]

Has it been certified fresh yet? Has to be close.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Not yet Tony

 

[TomPiltoff]

Well, if you've experience true evil in your life(I'm assuming you haven't judging by your comments) you'd know the more realistic approach is Black and White. Regardless of what the artsy-farty and liberals will have you think, 9 times out of 10, its a black and white situation. Ask my my best friend who was killed right before my eyes in Desert Storm.

Oh god shut up. Not only are you wrong, you're parading the death of your friend around as if it proves anything.

What's the true evil you've experienced, I'm curious? Fighting Iraqis in Desert Storm? Spoiler alert: not evil.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Back up to 72% on RT, finally passes 100 reviews

 

[Jordanstine]

Hi, I'm new here but I have been following this site along with CBR ever since the Rotten Tomatoes fiasco 2 days ago when they kept re-tweeting how rotten Captain America was after only 5 reviews.

I decided to retweet reviews I found on this site and others since.

So much so that I actually pissed off Rotten Tomatoes themselves, and they even took to responding to my tweets:

Quote:
From @RottenTomatoes

@CBMovieWatch It's not a WB order to screw with Cap; we're just trolling conspiracy nuts. Umad?

http://***********/#!/RottenTomatoes/status/94112393986187265
Quote:
From @RottenTomatoes

@CBMovieWatch That piece is so far from the truth it's actually pretty funny.

http://***********/#!/RottenTomatoes/status/94154744746098688


They replied to me with "U mad" LOL, pretty immature aren't they!

It's funny that they actually responded to my tweets as if they were threatened.

Thank you guys for making this easy for me and re-tweet those positive reviews to counter what Rotten Tomatoes had been doing the first 2 days.

Ha! That was funny! Nice job in striking a nerve!

 

[wobbly]

Back up to 72% on RT, finally passes 100 reviews

And at 70% with their 'Top Critics' whoever the hell they are. Not bad at all

 

[Marvin]

Lol. I can't say I think much of Mr Bush, but he's no Red Skull

That's just it, there are some middle eastern kids somewhere that are praying for a "captain america" of their own to stop the greedy oil mans destruction of their beliefs in the name of their countries morals. That's war. And I never meant to say I believe Bush is the Skull, I meant to say that he can and is perceived in such a way by many people and because of that, he can be compared to him.

And seriously, why should the film delve into any political issues beyond the obvious that were present in WW2? Allies=Good Guys - Axis=Bad guys (yes, we know the Soviets and Stalin in particular were no angels but that was a issue after the war, not during it).

You're rignt, not every film has too, I just wondered if this film did.
And you've gotta be kidding me if you think WW2 was as simple as good guys vs bad.

But then again I suppose that's the thesis of this very movie.

Well, if you've experience true evil in your life(I'm assuming you haven't judging by your comments) you'd know the more realistic approach is Black and White. Regardless of what the artsy-farty and liberals will have you think, 9 times out of 10, its a black and white situation. Ask my my best friend who was killed right before my eyes in Desert Storm.

Let's not, I'm actually a child exile from the good old Amin days in Africa(in my early twenties), I post the way i post cause it's all fun around here as it should be. I won't tread into what must be a tragic situation with your lost friend but if you think the current war should be seen as black and white I think your just speaking as someone really close to the situation.

I don't want a hero that I look up too to have flaws. He's not an actual hero if he has flaws, he's just like me. I don't want to strive to be more like myself, I want to strive to be better than what I am, I want to know there are heroes out there who are genuinely good. JMHO

I tend not too look up to any fictional hero, but I do think a flawed Spiderman is just as admirable as (usually portrayed as) an un-flawed Superman. It's a personal preference I'd imagine.

 

[terry78]

First they say every hero is too angsty, now they're too goody goody?

 

[TomPiltoff]

And you've gotta be kidding me if you think WW2 was as simple as good guys vs bad.

Explain.

 

[wobbly]

And you've gotta be kidding me if you think WW2 was as simple as good guys vs bad.

Obviously if you go into everything involved, from how the war began, what all countries did during it, and how it all ended, it's not so simple.

But taken as a whole, and for the people of that time certainly, it was that simple.

For an examination of the former I can watch any number of documentaries on the History Channel. For the latter I'll watch something like Cap

 

[TomPiltoff]

The History Channel is to history as the WWE is to sports.

 

[Jordanstine]

Notice how Rotten Tomatoes are getting lazy?

Most of the "FRESH" reviews they posted late last night, don't even have a summary. I count 3 so far. And if they are most of their "FRESH" reviews have the what the fresh critics didn't like about the film.

 

[terry78]

That time period was more or less simpler for the mere fact that no one really questioned **** like they do nowadays. They told you what was going on, you were either with it or you weren't.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Seems to be settling in now, low 70's I can live with though it still has room to go up, and I think it will now that the average seems to be close to 3:1 fresh. perhaps a better gauge is the audience score - 86% liked it, with the score averaging 4.2/5.

I heard they wanted a sequel to this after avengers but I dont see how you do one in world war 2 since they basically covered it all in one movie

Squeezing flashbacks and other missions in there shouldn't be a problem, they just weren't the focus of this film.

and where the heck were the nazis?

Hydra is made of Nazis