The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[I Am The Knight]

I'll dislike every live action Batman costume until they do one that isn't all black and has a cowl that looks good. If the Keaton costumes were dark gray or the Nolan Batsuits were dark gray, I'd like them fine.

I liked all the costumes on the TV show except Batman's, although it wasn't a serious show of course.

Like thisss? (he even has trunks).

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'll dislike every live action Batman costume until they do one that isn't all black and has a cowl that looks good. If the Keaton costumes were dark gray or the Nolan Batsuits were dark gray, I'd like them fine.

I liked all the costumes on the TV show except Batman's, although it wasn't a serious show of course.

I hate TDK suit, but I give credit where it's due, the suit has a grey black colour scheme. And so does BB, but that was because the rubber literally couldn't be made to go black.

 

[Mad Love]

The TDK suit is practical and actually functional. He can move in it for sure. Black makes sense because he operates at night. He's an urban ninja so black makes him less visible.

The TDK suit isn't all black BTW. It has dark gray in it.

 

[souperman]

I'll dislike every live action Batman costume until they do one that isn't all black and has a cowl that looks good. If the Keaton costumes were dark gray or the Nolan Batsuits were dark gray, I'd like them fine.

I liked all the costumes on the TV show except Batman's, although it wasn't a serious show of course.

I think for a lot of these color questions it goes to contrast. For instance, the gray and black outfit of Batman in the comics was undoubtedly due to the artist trying to get some contrast between the elements of the suit for dramatic purposes. For the Adam West TV version, they went campy and used the "purple" highlights as if that was the actual color of the garments.

I think the Nolan versions are shades of gray and black but the lighting is so dark it is hard to tell.

He is the Dark Knight after all...

if that's the actual suit.

Below, suit gray, cape black.

I mean, do we really want Superman to have blue hair? or was the blue used as an interesting "highlight" to emphasize that he had black hair?

The cowl thing I agree with. I can't believe they cant get that right.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

2. Offending a nobody movie costume designer is nothing compared to insulting Joe Shuster, Superman's co-creator without whom we wouldn't have the character in the first place.

Your not offending a nobody movie costume designer.

The costume designers are very unlikely to have read your posts, and even if they did would be unlikely to be offended by the opinion of one fan.

What your doing is offending me.

Along with anyone else who thinks the suit looks good, and is actually bothered by your constant disrespectful criticism of it.

3. Fans do not matter to me, not if they are for or against the trunks, and they shouldn't matter to anyone else either. All that should matter is the integrity of Superman as a character and for proper respect to be paid to his creators. In my mind, the MOS costume fails to pay the proper respect to Joe Shuster, as it changes the design that he created and he approved as changes were made in it until 1945, by which time the final design was settled. That and the designs on the sides and back are too elaborate for a costume that is very basic in every other aspect. Changing Superman's costume says to me that Shuster's costume is not good enough, and to me that assertion is unacceptable.

If it was even remotely humanly possible for Shuster to oversee a new costume and approve changes, I'd be all for it.

But it's not possible.

And unless what your saying is that the character of Superman should stay frozen in time, and never even remotely changed past the point that Shuster died, your just going to have to learn to accept change.

Dislike it all you want, but do so with dignity and respect for other posters. Heck, when the pictures first came out, you admitted that the suit didn't look that bad - that was so refreshing!

Constantly throwing hissy fits and 'slagging off' the suit is not dignified at all. And you'd probably find a lot more people would have time for your opinion and dedication to the origins of the character without all this.

 

[Karelia]

Kurowasa is set in his ways. Their's no changing his opinion. XD

I dig the new Superman suit and the new Bat-suits we've gotten. And I also like the old ones. I really don't care about minor suit changes, it still looks like Superman/Batman to me. And I think the majority of people think the same. In fact Cavill's Superman will probably be the one they'll remember the most. (hopefully.)

 

[Nevaratoiel]

Kurowasa is set in his ways. Their's no changing his opinion. XD

I dig the new Superman suit and the new Bat-suits we've gotten. And I also like the old ones. I really don't care about minor suit changes, it still looks like Superman/Batman to me. And I think the majority of people think the same. In fact Cavill's Superman will probably be the one they'll remember the most. (hopefully.)

Hmmm.... I'm inclined to disagree. I'm a fan (without the squealing), but I'll probably won't see this new Superman film anytime soon (I mean after it's released of course). My opinion is so set (too) that Superman Returns was a good movie and the suit was what one should expect. The hell with fashion statements and changes. No offense to anyone...

That new suit so completely rubs me the wrong way. I hope afterwards they'll be saying; Oh, Superman Returns wasn't as bad as we thought before. Let's do a sequel. Hehehe... I'm evil.

That's exactly what I meant in my previous post about Batman's costume. This might be the worst one.

 

[souperman]

Worst and best when compared to what.

Design and art are subjective things. There is no worst and best, only different. Remember, there is no spoon.

Each incarnation of a subject should be judged on its own merit and not compared to others...unless it really sucks.

The trouble now is that we can decide we don't like something before we see it based on glimpses and out of context material. It used to be that a film had a chance to win over the audience, but not anymore.

I for one will give it a real chance with an open mind and hope to be wowed, surprised and thrilled.

We will have plenty of time after June 2013 for sour grapes and told ya sos.

The good news is, if Snyder tanks it, he'll be making blue movies in the Philippines... and you know how much money there is in the Philippines...?

( anyone know the reply to the above line?)

 

[Kurosawa]

The TDK suit is practical and actually functional. He can move in it for sure. Black makes sense because he operates at night. He's an urban ninja so black makes him less visible.

The TDK suit isn't all black BTW. It has dark gray in it.

Yeah, with better lighting that suit would look much better. I hate how dark every movie is tinted nowadays.

Your not offending a nobody movie costume designer.

The costume designers are very unlikely to have read your posts, and even if they did would be unlikely to be offended by the opinion of one fan.

What your doing is offending me.

Along with anyone else who thinks the suit looks good, and is actually bothered by your constant disrespectful criticism of it.



If it was even remotely humanly possible for Shuster to oversee a new costume and approve changes, I'd be all for it.

But it's not possible.

And unless what your saying is that the character of Superman should stay frozen in time, and never even remotely changed past the point that Shuster died, your just going to have to learn to accept change.

Dislike it all you want, but do so with dignity and respect for other posters. Heck, when the pictures first came out, you admitted that the suit didn't look that bad - that was so refreshing!

Constantly throwing hissy fits and 'slagging off' the suit is not dignified at all. And you'd probably find a lot more people would have time for your opinion and dedication to the origins of the character without all this.

Why would anyone have an emotional attachment to the MOS costume? All we've seen is set pics-while the original costume had almost 50 years of greatness and Post-Crisis stories with it. I mean, let's be realistic: this movie is being made because of a lawsuit, and is being directed by a mediocre at best director whose last two movies have bombed.

As for Shuster being dead and therefore having no input in the costume that is replacing his design, all the more reason not to change it. Changing his design without him being involved, which is obviously impossible, disrespects his memory IMO.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

The TDK suit is practical and actually functional. He can move in it for sure. Black makes sense because he operates at night. He's an urban ninja so black makes him less visible.

The TDK suit isn't all black BTW. It has dark gray in it.

Ugggh!

The Begins costume was way better. It was far from being great, but it at least made Bale look like a buff beast.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Kneel before Zod! But only after you kneel before the Begins costume:

 

[Tacit Ronin]

ugh!!!! My eyesssss!!!!!!

 

[Superwoman Prime]

ugh!!!! My eyesssss!!!!!!

Don't worry, I'm starting a "I Saw the TDK Costume In Moderate Lighting" support group.

 

[Krypto]

What if they reboot this fighting ..............?

 

[souperman]

yeah, I don't know why the split the "armor" up like that with chain mail underneath!

Guess that explains why they shoot in the dark!

They "could" have made it a bit more practical and a few less breaks. And whats with the boots? A little flappy on top.

I guess they never looked at an anatomy book.

Dim the lights, here comes...Batman.

 

[souperman]

Don't worry, I'm starting a "I Saw the TDK Costume In Moderate Lighting" support group.

I'm in!

 

[souperman]

The Dark Knight...makes more money than the light.

 

[tomk]

yeah, I don't know why the split the "armor" up like that with chain mail underneath!

That's explained in the movie as far as I remember.

 

[not_a_victim]

The TDK suit is practical and actually functional. He can move in it for sure. Black makes sense because he operates at night. He's an urban ninja so black makes him less visible.

The TDK suit isn't all black BTW. It has dark gray in it.

Sorry, but you are exactly wrong about it being either practical or functional. A poster in the DKR forum did a great breakdown of how the armor plating in the pants actually make it MORE difficult to move the legs, since the plates don't allow for human anatomy to work. It was a great post, and the poster obviously knew quite a bit about anatomy, kinesthetics, etc.
By the time the poster was finished, it was obvious the costume designers only wanted it to look cool (the debate remains whether they actually achieved that end), and had no inclination to make it functional or practical.

 

[Dr.]

...All that should matter is the integrity of Superman as a character and for proper respect to be paid to his creators. In my mind, the MOS costume fails to pay the proper respect to Joe Shuster, as it changes the design that he created and he approved as changes were made in it until 1945, by which time the final design was settled.

In terms of adapting an extant text, not even Shakespeare or the Bible get the kind of fidelity you describe. Siegel and Shuster’s Superman can handle some reinterpretation.

 

[Dr.]

The Batman Returns batsuit is a thing of beauty, and Keaton looked killer in it.

I quite like (the) TDK suit. But it terms of pure design, I agree that the BR one is probably the best.

Sorry, but you are exactly wrong about it being either practical or functional. A poster in the DKR forum did a great breakdown of how the armor plating in the pants actually make it MORE difficult to move the legs, since the plates don't allow for human anatomy to work. It was a great post, and the poster obviously knew quite a bit about anatomy, kinesthetics, etc.
By the time the poster was finished, it was obvious the costume designers only wanted it to look cool (the debate remains whether they actually achieved that end), and had no inclination to make it functional or practical.

Of course it’s about looking cool.

And as far as practicalities are concerned, Bale can actually walk, move and do fight scenes in the thing. So it’s practical in that respect. Admittedly, the “plating” on the suit probably isn’t heavy Kevlar and probably can’t really deflect bullets.

 

[Krumm]

Sorry, but you are exactly wrong about it being either practical or functional. A poster in the DKR forum did a great breakdown of how the armor plating in the pants actually make it MORE difficult to move the legs, since the plates don't allow for human anatomy to work. It was a great post, and the poster obviously knew quite a bit about anatomy, kinesthetics, etc.
By the time the poster was finished, it was obvious the costume designers only wanted it to look cool (the debate remains whether they actually achieved that end), and had no inclination to make it functional or practical.

Hasn't Bale even said that he has more movement than before? His opinion is really the only one that matters on this point.

 

[souperman]

I think we are talking about two different things.

One is the "practicality" of the suit in terms of a reasonable representation of a "feasible" body armor and practical suit for moving etc.

Vs a practical "movie" suit.

The armor aspect I see and agree with, it is the "way" they divided the plates that are questionable to me. Just looks a bit too broken up. Not cool.

But I am sure he could move ok in it or they would have changed it. It's not like they a cheep on the wardrobe budget.

I am sure having the openings between the plates make it more comfortable and breathable for the actor than a latex suit would be.

The Chain mail looking under neath is a throwback idea but "would" in theory stop a knife attack as mentioned in the movie.

Again,
Reasonable protection but not impervious. More danger for our hero. Exciting.

 

[craigdbfan]

Kneel before Zod! But only after you kneel before the Begins costume:

I love the the BB suit. Nice avvy by the way.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

Thank you!