The Official Costume Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[TruerToTheCore]

Everyone should admit that Byrne draws a pretty good Superman. The best thing was that he brought some sort of kinetic energy to the titles, something Curt Swan often lacked. He just shouldn't have written the titles. He got the job because he was big at the time, not because the editors were especially convinced of his writing skills.

 

[dark_b]

is there any high resolution picture where we can see the pattern on the suit very clear? i need it for reference.

is the pattern 4 sided or 5 sided like on the spiderman suit?

 

[BlueLantern]

This was done by WAMS I think:

That is amazing, and miles better than the DCnU suit.

 

[camp Blood]

I like it because there arent a bunch of ******ed seams

 

[dark_b]

but it still has oranic lines on the side

 

[Comics N' Toons]

With all this discussion of the cape, I hate to be the guy who points out [AGAIN] that we haven't seen the YELLOW \S/ on the cape since 1993's LOIS & CLARK... which boggles my mind because it is such an important part of the costume and the DCAU people have never even used it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Have to say I'm not missing the \S/ on the cape. That's another part if the suit that is just clutter to me.
As for the long cape, it does look Darth Vaderish, will it work we will have to wait and see.

 

[Kirmit]

I always liked the \S/ on th cape, it let you know this wasn't just anyones red cape, it was superman's cape. Also I just thought it looked good.

 

[Dozerman]

I think they don't have the s on the cape because its to hard with cgi

 

[ThePhantasm]

I think they don't have the s on the cape because its to hard with cgi

The same with animation, I suspect. Those symbols moving and curving are tricky.

 

[camp Blood]

not true all you have to do is render it on a flat cape and go from there this has already been proven by a board member who rendered his own superman cape in 5 minutes

 

[Relativity]

This was done by WAMS I think:

Can someone please post this pic without the watermark.

 

[camp Blood]

you need the artist's permission that's why he has the watermark

 

[Relativity]

I'd pay for that pic in hi res, i'd love to have it on a canvas.

 

[Antonello Blueberry]

You can send him a PM here on the boards.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

With all this discussion of the cape, I hate to be the guy who points out [AGAIN] that we haven't seen the YELLOW \S/ on the cape since 1993's LOIS & CLARK... which boggles my mind because it is such an important part of the costume and the DCAU people have never even used it.

Smallville had it. God that was a terrible show.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

The MOS suit is indeed the first one to get the cape attachment right. This is the first time we'll see the cape simply attach at the front and not around the entirety of the collar.

I hope we get a classic shot like this:

Now, regardless of what you think of his work as a writer, I think even Kurosawa will admit that John Byrne drew a pretty damn good Superman.

It's funny, but on all these big S designs, the torso seems to shift proportions as the S gets bigger. His chest is freakin huge while his abs are barely there.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

woulda_coulda_shoulda

That head is incredibly too small.

 

[BruceWanner]

are cloaks impractical because they drag on the ground and get dirty? what about wedding dresses? lol

I highly doubt that anyone thinks wedding dresses are practical.

 

[Mad Love]

I highly doubt that anyone thinks wedding dresses are practical.

That's my point. Not all clothing is practical. Some design pieces are strictly for aesthetic reasons.

 

[camp Blood]

I good example would be the palace guards in England with those big stupid hats

practicality vs tradition

 

[Comics N' Toons]

I'm of the opinion that the cape length should be a middle ground between the CURT SWAN version and what we see in that picture... sort of stopping at the top of the foot's tendons, just above the ankles

 

[NADALWON]

I hate the just above the ankles capes. Ground-draping capes are the best, gives the intimidating Darth Vaderish aura from behind.

 

[Dark Knight]

Awesome

Great job!!

 

[Kurosawa]

The MOS suit is indeed the first one to get the cape attachment right. This is the first time we'll see the cape simply attach at the front and not around the entirety of the collar.

I hope we get a classic shot like this:

Now, regardless of what you think of his work as a writer, I think even Kurosawa will admit that John Byrne drew a pretty damn good Superman.

Good, not great. Not as good as Curt Swan and nowhere near as good as Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez, who would have been the heir apparent to Swan once he retired:

Byrne getting the gig on Superman cost us a chance at a Bates/Garcia-Lopez Superman book edited by Elliot Maggin. And we wouldn't be here mulling over how Superman could regain his lost popularity because he would have never became DC's designated jobber like the Byrne and Miller team made him.

JB was a good, not great artist and a crappy costume designer. I would have let him draw one title but not written anything, kept Curt Swan on another title and had Garcia-Lopez as the artist on the headline Superman book. But Byrne's gigantic ego would have never let him be just an artist at that time, even though for Superman that is all he was ever qualified to do-draw, don't design, damn well don't write.

A look at his horrid Krypton or his terrible Imperial Guard designs that look so pathetic next to Dave Cockrum's awesome costumes just show how bad JB was at creating visuals. Only Alpha Flight ever looked any good, and when he wrote them in their own book, the new characters he created looked like crap.