The Official DC Stupid Question Thread....

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he's pretty interesting. He hasn't started killing anyone yet, has he? That would be interesting, if he finally crossed that line again in these different times and the JSA were forced to bring him down.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

From what I've gathered from the character, he's no killer.
He has killed (but I don’t think he ever has as Hawkman, though), he has the capability to kill and he would kill if he had to... but it would be an extreme last resort.
He wasn't too put off by killing until the Gentleman Ghost arc where he decided it wasn't something to be taken lightly. I mean, he never killed willy-nilly and the memory of doing it really plagued him, but he never really saw it as only an extreme, *extreme* last resort until then.
I remember in one issue of the JSA, Black Adam asked him to join his gang because, “I’ve known you to kill before” and Hawkman responded something like, “I’m a different man now, Adam.” He even had to talk Kendra down once when she was about to kill the guy who murdered her parents.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What the hell's the deal with Kendra, anyway? She wasn't born with Shiera's soul but she killed herself and her own soul left, leaving Shiera's soul to take up residence. But now she still has the same personality she did when she had Kendra's soul, even though she has Shiera's soul now?

 

[Tropico]

I think it has more to do with the memories in the body than what has to do with the soul.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, when Hector's soul inhabited the newborn Fate-child and was aged artificially, he had all of his memories, which makes me think that the memories and personality are tied to the soul, at least in DC.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Wasn't that kid a girl, too?
I think what happened with Fate was more than just the re-emergence of the soul. And I could have sworn that Hector didn't have a soul... that the offspring of the Hawks couldn't have souls or something.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

The child was not a girl, as far as I remember.

I think it was mentioned that Hector was born without a soul, but then it goes on to say that his essence (which is basically a soul, isn't it?) was stolen away into the Dreaming and that when Morpheus found out, he tossed his essence to its natural fate, whereupon it entered a rebirth cycle similar to Carter and Shiera's. That's a lot of activity for a non-soul to go through...

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Ok, I just checked.
The baby was born without a soul… like Hector was, I guess. But Hector’s “soul”, his essence (something that this baby presumably did not have), took root in that baby’s body immediately after it was born, so it was never anything other than Hector Hall. It was destined to become Dr. Fate.
But after the Scarabaeus, a Fate relic, was touched to the baby’s chest, it grew into the adult Hector Hall.
I don’t think it simply aged him, I think it was Fate magick that restored Hector Hall as a living being, back as Hector Hall and not just Hector’s soul in another body. The baby was a vessel for Dr. Fate and nothing more, after Hector’s essence took root and the Scarabaeus was touched to it, it completely transformed into Hector Hall.
So he has his body (but aged a little), his memories, his personality and all of that just as if his body had never been destroyed. It’s how Carter and others recognize him when he takes his helmet off.

Shiera Hall was reborn in Kendra Saunders. Kendra lived a life before that full of memories and experiences. When she fell into a coma and died briefly, her soul passed on and Shiera’s soul entered her body in its stead. When that happened Kendra lost some of her own memories (like the attempted rape of her and her mother by the cops) and picked up a few from Shiera (like how to operate the Hawks jet), as well as some of her urges and instincts (she’s more brutal and has feelings for Carter) BUT she kept her own as well. Her brain, including her memories, thoughts and personality were left the same but now she has this outside influence working within her as well.

This is how Hector described his journey:
“I was born without a soul, destined to be nothing more than a vessel for the real Silver Scarab, Hath-Set’s agent of vengeance.
Infinity Inc defeated the Silver Scarab, destroying what was left of my body in the process.
By all rights I should have gone to my reward then.
But I didn’t.
My consciousness – whatever was left of me – drifted through the Dreaming.
Drifted aimlessly until Kent Nelson found me.
He told me that the wheel of life that had turned my destiny was not, in fact over… but just beginning.”

So what he had was something other than a soul, it was just some form of consciousness, something different. So he still has no soul, but something resembling a soul… some kind of magical Fate thing.

Oh, and the JSA were looking for the Fate-baby, there were like 4 different possible ones and one was a girl. I got that confused.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That still seems a bit dodgy to me. Hector's referred later to the fact that because his essence, or whatever other euphemism for soul you want to use, was in the child of Hawk and Dove, an agent of Chaos and an agent of Order, respectively, he had access to the powers of both Chaos and Order, elevating Dr. Fate through himself from an agent of Order to an agent of balance. That, plus the fact that Hector used to be blonde and now has platinum hair, makes me think Hector and the Scarabeus didn't just turned the Fate-child into a clone of Hector's original body.

I do get that the fact that Hector's personality is fully intact in the Fate-child's body because the Fate-child was born without a soul and never had time to form its own memories, though. Kendra/Shiera still doesn't make sense to me. If Kendra had Shiera's soul to begin with, wouldn't Shiera's soul have passed on when Kendra committed suicide? It's been stated before that she actually did succeed in committing suicide. That's why I thought Kendra was just a girl named Kendra at first, then Kendra's soul left after the suicide and Shiera's took up residence.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

I thought Shiera's soul DID just take up residence when Kendra's passed on? And when it did, it didn't change much in Kendra... it didn't override her brain or anything like that, which is why she doesn’t remember much of anything from her past lives. So Shiera’s memories and personality are inside her but they haven’t been entirely unlocked yet and haven’t had a chance to completely take over, probably because they don’t want to. Why they don’t, I don’t know. But Shiera’s soul is there and it has control, it just picked up where the last one left off instead of overhauling everything.

And everyone instantly recognized Hector when he took his helmet off, so he apparently looks a lot like he did before he died, which leads me to believe that the Scarabaeus didn’t just age the baby’s body but it restored him to his former self. And I think it aged him a little from there, that's why his hair is white/silver instead of blonde. The Fate-child had blonde hair too, by the way.
But there’s a page that shows Hector as a smaller child and his hair is very silver, but there’s a part of that page that shows him as an older hero and it’s very blonde.

I don’t know. It’s all too confusing. I don’t really like Dr. Fate anyway. It’s not worth the headache.

 

[Anubis]

Shiera's soul simply came and took over the body of Kendra after she died. She wasn't always there she just kind of, set up shop. Only the body still had kendras memories, so basically, she thought she was kendra, and still basically does, untill she was told differently. Fact is, Kendras eyes where brown, when she woke up from the coma, they were green, like shiera's. Windows to the soul man.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Bat-Mantis
I don’t know. It’s all too confusing. I don’t really like Dr. Fate anyway. It’s not worth the headache.

Blasphemy! Dr. Fate rocks. Especially since he's starting to realize his potential, having conflicts with Nabu, and just generally being the JSA's biggest badass. His son is now Dream, too.

DC seems to not really know what to do with the Halls' hair. Hector had blonde hair in Infinity Inc and so did Fury. Then Fury got platinum hair in the Sandman series and now Hector got it in JSA. Daniel, their son, has white hair too. Then again, Daniel has white everything.

 

[Anubis]

Anybody get that Fate mini from last year? Man that was a great read.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm planning on it. I just have no money right now. My comic shop has all 5 or 6 or how many ever issues, if I recall correctly, which it's more than likely I don't.

I read a review of it and the reviewer said it was good but it was practically the same as Fate's role in the "Princes of Darkness" arc in JSA. He has to confront his self-doubt and eventually comes out of it (after some coaching from Nabu) more badass than any Fate before him.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah, but not before he got his @$$ kicked severly by Curse.

 

[BlackOpsTengu]

Okay... some DRK & DKSA questions.

Why was Batman so intent on fighting the Government? I mean, I'd expect that from radicals like GA, but why is Bats so rabid anti government, and why is Pres Reagon made to look like some kind of a farce? The politicizing in this was pretty stupid and got in the way of the bigger story, Batman RETURNING. And WTH is up with the ending? Is he going to fight a gurellia war against the States or something lame like that?

And at the end of DKSA, "What should we do with our planet Kara?" That was the most messed up thing ever. So the answer to "corrupt" republican regimes is to put Supes in charge of the planet? It was just rediculous. Everything I remembered about Supes was that he SHOULDN'T rule over mankind, only act as their gaurdian. It was up to US to find our way there.

Basically, political agendas + Superheroes = bad. I want good vs evil, not fifty million reasons why you think Republicans suck.

 

[DarkKnightJRK]

I got a question, why is there still a JSA? What's the point of it?

 

[X]

Originally posted by DarkKnightJRK
I got a question, why is there still a JSA? What's the point of it?

To protect against the threats of villians and what not? Can never have enough super powered groups man.

Look at Marvel. They've had The Defenders, Avengers, Invaders, S.h.i.e.l.d, X-Men, Freedom Force, and so on. They've still always been insanly busy...

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, besides the JSA, how many other super-groups are there in DC?
The JLA, Doom Patrol *shudder* and... uh... those other guys with the superpowers...

 

[Supergirl]

The JSA are the trainers and the heros of the heros, and the next pieces of certain legacies: Star-girl, Hawk-girl, etc...

The JLA are the big guns and the ones the world looks up to the most.

The Outsiders are the rulebreakers, lets take the war to them types.

The Teen Titans are the next generation.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

Yeah, it's like a team for each generation.
Titans for the kids.
Outsiders for the 20-somethings.
JLA for the current "ruling" generation.
JSA for the older generation.

 

[Bat-Mantis]

And... the Doom Patrol... for John Byrne.

 

[Darthphere]

Doom Patrol and John Byrne are just an evil plot to destroy comics as we know them.

 

[Kaleb]

just out of interest who is richer Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark (I know he is marvel im sorry) , or lex luthor (I know luthor is president , but that dont make him the richest , just ask bill gates)

 

[The Leaguer]

Well, when Luthor became president, he had to give up most of his properties, so all he has is his raw funds, which puts him at an instant disadvantage. When Stark became Secretary of Defense, the same had to happen, so he just has raw savings and investments as well. However, recently, Luthor went insane and is presumed dead, so it can be assumed that any personal bank and investment funds he had are gone, and he is left with what he hid away. At the same time, all properties he used to own fell under ownership of Wayne Enterprises. Thus, Bruce Wayne is one rich mofo, Stark is just wealthy, and Luthor is out on his ass.