The OFFICIAL FINAL CRISIS THREAD

[Aristotle]

You confuse me with your cryptic response.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I found it funny. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. You've been reading too much Morrison.




I got rehersals in a little bit so I can't get into it right now.

 

[Aristotle]

I found it funny. Sometimes a cigar is a cigar. You've been reading too much Morrison.

No such thing. Guy's been my favorite philosopher, my favorite writer, my favorite showman, my favorite cultural critic, and my favorite commentator for quite awhile now.

But I still don't get why it's funny.

I got rehersals in a little bit so I can't get into it right now.

What's the show?

 

[Aristotle]

That interview is amazing (and by "is amazing" I mean "vindicates everything I've been saying"):

I choose to leave out boring, as I saw it, connective tissue we didn’t really need for this story to work. I choose to leave out long-winded caption-heavy explanations that bring readers ‘up to speed’, even as they send them to sleep. And we left out the line-wide crossover tie-ins that have every detail of backstory spelled out laboriously by writers desperate to get back to their own plotlines. Otherwise, the whole thing is there on the page in word or picture form...and when interestingly-shaped story spaces can be opened out to make room for enthusiastic speculation and debate that adds to the fun. Looking up characters you thought were simply generic cavemen or monsters and finding they have histories you can explore and adventures you can read adds another interactive layer that takes you deeper into the mysteries and complexities of the DC virtual reality.

And this is cool:

Darkseid started falling through the universe after the event we experienced as The Death of The New Gods. He fell backwards through time and wound up in a human body, on Earth, in the Mister Miracle series back in 2005.

This would have been cool:

I wanted Bizarro flying in the opposite direction from everyone else but a few of those didn’t make it through Doug’s pencil.

And there's this (it's official: Morrison gave up on letting readers try to figure anything out for themselves):

Superman knows best and chose his wish to maximize the Miracle Machine’s effects. And as a happy coincidence, his big pal Batman will come back.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I found it funny that after all that abuse I took for my hardline stance on the whole killing / gun thing that at least my voice wasn't dismissed during the tone of the piece. He knew I was there and chose to piss me off or not. As I said earlier... Brecht and Artaud would have been proud.


And that's why I



As for the rehersal... it's called Lost Highway : The Music and Legend of Hank Williams.



Musicians and Actors working together isn't always harmonious. But the show's shaping up. Opening night in one week.

 

[Aristotle]

Musicians and Actors working together isn't always harmonious.

Never. My musician friends and I make it a point to never do a show together. It's easy, because we all hate musicals, but they're trying to be professional musicians, so they have to take any gig they can get. I, on the other hand, am not trying to be a professional stage actor, so **** it.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I found it funny that after all that abuse I took for my hardline stance on the whole killing / gun thing that at least my voice wasn't dismissed during the tone of the piece. He knew I was there and chose to piss me off or not. As I said earlier... Brecht and Artaud would have been proud.


And that's why I



As for the rehersal... it's called Lost Highway : The Music and Legend of Hank Williams.



Musicians and Actors working together isn't always harmonious. But the show's shaping up. Opening night in one week.

For a second there, I thought you were talking about a stage adaptation of Lost Highway, the David Lynch film.

 

[CLARKY]

For telling a good story. Clearly, that's not what comic book fans want anymore, and I don't think they ever really did. They don't want someone to make superhero comics better. They don't want someone to lift up the superhero genre to the heights that other comics have reached. They just want rote recitations of events, fictional journalism about fictional worlds. You should have expected something superior when you picked up a Grant Morrison comic. If you couldn't grasp it, that makes me sad for you. Good Lord, don't ever let yourself wander into an art gallery or a poetry reading, and certainly don't bother reading Dave Sedaris or Nick Hornby. You'll close the book wondering "What happened? I need major events for a story to have meaning! I don't care about craft or experimentation or artistry! I just want things to happen! And where was the ending? They're just setting up for the inevitable sequel! There was no real ending to Santaland Diaries! Gimme a John Grisham story any day, because **** art."

Well I could not know precisely if you are talking about me personnally, but I enjoy what I called "difficult" stories, and I think the comicbooks haven't reached their potential, but I was more talking about the lack of readability in the story. I do not like complex-multi-leveled.philosophical stories because they are what they are but because I can understand them. And I think it is logical to write something slightly more complex without losing the fact that it must be accessible. I thought Final Crisis was hard to understand, and did not have enough readability to it. for an event this size, I think it is a waste, because it would have had a stronger effect. That's all what I am saying. you told me I should expect more from G.Morrisson, that's what I did ; and this is precisely for this reason I found FC, maybe too complex, or at least not readable enough.

By the way, no, I did not bother to read Dave Sedaris or Nick Hornby. But I do enjoy art gallery a lot. and with the exception of Rimbaud, I do not enjoy poetry.

Still waiting for someone to tell me what was so terrible about the editing. Everyone has these ******** complaints and no one can explain anything about them.

I do not know what "everyone" is calling "editing", but for me, I meant the fact that there were a lot of time between each issue. It killed the impact of the story. I think the concepts were good but the crisis would have more effective if treated on a more period of time. I compared it to Identity crisis.
and I was talking about the whole "publicity" around it, the whole suspense, etc ... I think it was badly handled. This is what I called "editing".

 

[The Batman]

So, I'm reading this book again, and I'm having no problem, really....

honestly, between this and R.I.P, I think morrison's work has exposed fanboys for the simpletons they are....

 

[DavidTyler]

Well I could not know precisely if you are talking about me personnally, but I enjoy what I called "difficult" stories, and I think the comicbooks haven't reached their potential, but I was more talking about the lack of readability in the story. I do not like complex-multi-leveled.philosophical stories because they are what they are but because I can understand them. And I think it is logical to write something slightly more complex without losing the fact that it must be accessible. I thought Final Crisis was hard to understand, and did not have enough readability to it. for an event this size, I think it is a waste, because it would have had a stronger effect. That's all what I am saying. you told me I should expect more from G.Morrisson, that's what I did ; and this is precisely for this reason I found FC, maybe too complex, or at least not readable enough.

By the way, no, I did not bother to read Dave Sedaris or Nick Hornby. But I do enjoy art gallery a lot. and with the exception of Rimbaud, I do not enjoy poetry.

I do not know what "everyone" is calling "editing", but for me, I meant the fact that there were a lot of time between each issue. It killed the impact of the story. I think the concepts were good but the crisis would have more effective if treated on a more period of time. I compared it to Identity crisis.
and I was talking about the whole "publicity" around it, the whole suspense, etc ... I think it was badly handled. This is what I called "editing".

And you've touched on why Infinite Crisis on Infinite Earths was a much better read. It was complex but written with a lot of clarity.

 

[BlackLantern]

I just read Final Crisis #6 and #7.....so if I understand this right, Libra has been evaportated, Darkseid inhabited Dan Turpins body and managed to wrangle the Anti Life Equation into a mind control device, the Monitors all kissed and made up, and Bruce Wayne is living in caveman times after being zapped there by Omega Beams....

 

[Aristotle]

And you've touched on why Infinite Crisis on Infinite Earths was a much better read. It was complex but written with a lot of clarity.

Neither Infinite Crisis nor Crisis on Infinite Earths were "complex" narratives. They just had a lot going on.

 

[Aristotle]

I just read Final Crisis #6 and #7.....so if I understand this right, Libra has been evaportated, Darkseid inhabited Dan Turpins body and managed to wrangle the Anti Life Equation into a mind control device, the Monitors all kissed and made up, and Bruce Wayne is living in caveman times after being zapped there by Omega Beams....

Also, Darkseid is not in Turpin's body anymore, and the ALE is no longer controlling people because Superman sang the Life Equation into the Miracle Machine.

 

[Aristotle]

honestly, between this and R.I.P, I think morrison's work has exposed fanboys for the simpletons they are....

Yup. Exactly what it's done.

 

[BlackLantern]

and the Flash family still has to save the day....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Probably because Morrison's one of the few writers who understands how potent super-speed at the Flashes' level really is.

 

[BlackLantern]

I remember reading an old issue of Impulse where all his hair was gone (not sure how it happened) but he made a joke about he outran his hair he was so fast

 

[Aristotle]

Probably because Morrison's one of the few writers who understands how potent super-speed at the Flashes' level really is.

Let's make a list of DCU titles that Morrison should be writing:
Batman (give him a Legends of the Dark Knight relaunch all to himself)
Superman (relaunch Adventures of Superman for him)
The Atom
Flash
JLA
Green Lantern (give Kyle a separate ongoing book)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
...and, because they're technically in the DC multiverse now...
The Authority. I really wanted to see where he was going with that.
Wildcats. Same thing.

Any others?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm actually glad he's off Wildcats. His ideas all seemed to center on sex for some reason, and I wasn't really interested in seeing the Wildcats turn into a weird psychosexual odyssey. Really, I wish Casey had been able to just continue his corporate superheroes angle.

But yes for the rest of them. Also, resurrect Aztek, Zauriel, Hourman, and the Tomorrow Woman and give them a team-up book. Call it "Characters so Awesome DC Had To Kill Them."

 

[BlackLantern]

Id love to have him back on 'The Authority'....I went to a Big Guns DC panel at SDCC and asked him if he'd be back on Authority and I got a 'maybe'

 

[Aristotle]

Also, resurrect Aztek, Zauriel, Hourman, and the Tomorrow Woman and give them a team-up book. Call it "Characters so Awesome DC Had To Kill Them."

That was always Aztek's narrative arc, though. The only thing that changed was the Mageddo thing happened in JLA instead of in Aztek's solo book, because it was cancelled.

 

[BlackLantern]

Corp...I thought you were all about progress ......

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I am. And I'd like to see those characters progress beyond death and come back to life. At the very least, resurrect the android Hourman and the Tomorrow Woman and send them off to the happily ever after they deserve. That comic where Hourman brings Tomorrow Woman back but only for an hour broke my heart.

 

[BlackLantern]

yea...well....life sucks, here's some juice....

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Tom Peyer needs to get back on a series, is what needs to happen. That man is an underrated gem.