The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

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No...I think Hulk is a character that has failed to captivate audiences, and that focusing too much on him would be a risk. TIH didn't even make a profit until dvd...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...on a 150 million dollar budget, they had to make 300 million to break even...that gave them 21 million dollars of profit; very modest when placed next to Iron Man's nearly half a billion in profit (300 million to break even and it made 750 million after dvd.)

I don't like a lot of things about Ultimates but I think Ultimates 1 did a perfect job breaking up screen time...everyone got decent face time, no one overwhelmed the other characters. If they could do a movie like that where the characters aren't total dickwads, that'd be ideal.

I don't think that a lot of casual moviegoers really want to see a Hulk movie unless they're into monster movies. Many seem to think it's just mindless mayhem. The Hulk shouldn't be a huge selling point for the Avengers. Audiences seem more enamoured of Iron Man and Robert Downey Jr. Marketing this movie too much emphasis on the Hulk could doom it at the box office.
 
I doubt that. The emphasis on mkarketing would be the fact that we've got a bunch of loved characters from seperate franchises banding together in 1 film. Hulk being in the movie wouldn't have any adverse effects at all. You've got the likes of Ironman and presumably if Thor and Cap are smash hits with their respective movies, come avengers time in all likelihood, Hulk's reputation may in fact be vastly improved upon.
 
All they need to do in the movie is play the Hulk up for the supreme badass he is, while developing his personality more, giving him a couple more lines than in TIH (just a few, full conversations would be too big a jump at this point) and draw the public back into the character. Unless they keep going with a Banner controlled Hulk, which I'd be good with, and could be just as interesting because it's- well, something different, ffs.

My idea- I think it'd be best to have him controlled by Loki at the start as everyone's saying, giving a great action scene, then having Banner working at SHIELD in a position as a scientist, all the while giving them information on how he thought he was in control but something else took over, and it wasn't the Hulk, in exchange for... not dissecting him. Toward the end, the Avengers have disbanded from SHIELD due to disobedience (for a good reason) and their final fight is being televised. And though they've gotten through the minions or whatever they're getting their asses handed to them by Loki. Banner realizes they need Hulk to swing the battle in their favor and Fury orders him to stand down or else they'll strip him of his comfy job and hunt him down and dissect him as they intended. He goes for it anyway and there could be a shot of Cap weakly getting up and turning his head to see Hulk in all his ragin' glory. He beats the **** out of Loki and gives the Avengers time to recover. Cap barks a couple of orders at IM and Thor, before Cap jumps up to Loki's weakened body, says something awesome (possibly from the comics), and finishes him with his shield. After this, they thank Banner/Hulk and he takes off to be alone. Fury wants them to go after him but they refuse.

I pretty much made that up on the fly so sorry it seemed drawn out.
 
Cap barks a couple of orders at IM and Thor, before Cap jumps up to Loki's weakened body, says something awesome (possibly from the comics).

CAP: Does the letter on my forehead stand for France?!
LOKI: Such...terrible....writing.
*dies*
 
Didn't Millar write that?
 
Didn't Millar write that?
 
I care, because I am not a fan of his writing style.
 
Banner dropping from the Helicarrier would make for an awesome scene if they hadn't already done the copter jump in TIH.
 
i dont think they need a bruce banner for avengers. just cg hulk, let him speak. if they do another hulk movie then yeah need banner, but for avengers just need the hulk. although i would like to see bruce, tony, and hank nerding out talking to each other.i say go with original, loki controls the hulk, then avengers stop him. then avengers and hulk go after loki.
 
No...I think Hulk is a character that has failed to captivate audiences, and that focusing too much on him would be a risk. TIH didn't even make a profit until dvd...remember it takes 2 dollars of gross to make back every dollar you spend...on a 150 million dollar budget, they had to make 300 million to break even...that gave them 21 million dollars of profit; very modest when placed next to Iron Man's nearly half a billion in profit (300 million to break even and it made 750 million after dvd.)

I don't like a lot of things about Ultimates but I think Ultimates 1 did a perfect job breaking up screen time...everyone got decent face time, no one overwhelmed the other characters. If they could do a movie like that where the characters aren't total dickwads, that'd be ideal.

The thing is, movies being movies and RJD being the only proven leading man, I almost guarantee the movie is going to center on him almost the way X2 centered on Wolverine/Jackman. The others will be there for sure, but Hemsworth only moved to America a few years ago and got his big break in Star Trek. You see the potential with him, and I hope Thor is a breaking ground for many things in the future. Evans has been in alot of movies, but has never found the kind of tentpole success as an actor to put him in the lead. CA, could be that movie, but it remains to be seen. On the one hand Chris was one of the bright spots of the FF movies, on the other because the FF franchise petered out, I don't know how much credit he will get for it.

My point being is don't expect an, "everyone gets face time". I hope the film will focus on the "big 3" almost in a Star Trek kind of way with Kirk, Spock and Bones. That could work for a movie like this and please fans. Alot of it depends on how well Thor and CA are perceived, the whole project may be shelved if they're bombs.

As far as the Hulk, I agree, the Hulk can't be a "character", but I think Banner can and should be. The Hulk is more of a plot device.

As I mentioned, based on the ending of TIH, I think Stark is being played and seding the Avengers after the Hulk, Rogers could discover Ross' true motivations behind the Hulk.

I do not want to see a full out Ultimates on screen, with the Avengers chasing shape shifting Aliens. That could be disasterous. It's going to be enough to accept the very "real world" Iron Man working with a Norse god, and a guy who's been frozen on ice for 65 years.

If it's the Hulk at least the audience could have something tangeble to go off of, based on TIH, to keep the suspension of disbelief going.
 
i dont think they need a bruce banner for avengers. just cg hulk, let him speak. if they do another hulk movie then yeah need banner, but for avengers just need the hulk. although i would like to see bruce, tony, and hank nerding out talking to each other.i say go with original, loki controls the hulk, then avengers stop him. then avengers and hulk go after loki.

Edward Norton said he'll come back, it just depends on how the Avengers script turns out. I bet he'd re-write/add some of his own lines in the script if he was to come back. IMO, his re-writes saved TIH.
 
My point being is don't expect an, "everyone gets face time". I hope the film will focus on the "big 3" almost in a Star Trek kind of way with Kirk, Spock and Bones. That could work for a movie like this and please fans. Alot of it depends on how well Thor and CA are perceived, the whole project may be shelved if they're bombs.
The focus should definitely be on the "big 3," but as far as shelving the project I see that as highly unlikely since they start shooting before both Thor and Cap even hit theaters.
 
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Norton is really into this last interview I read, I see no reason for Hulk and even General Ross to appear in The Avengers.
 
I assume HULK is a given in Avengers... but is Norton returning as Banner? Nothing is confirmed... yet
 
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