The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread.

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Doctor Jones said:
I loved what Lee did in the Hulk. But that's subjective. I can understand people's dislike for that film.

But you're basing your point off of one filmmaker. Nolan, Singer, Donner, hell, Abrams wasn't really into Star Trek before directing it. And most of the actors in comic book films never read a comic book in their lives prior to being cast. But the good ones read the comics and understood what it took to make a great film. And that doesn't mean you already have to be a fan. If the fans here tried to make their superhero into a film, most likely it would be a disaster. I'd rather get Ang Lee, someone who knows how to make a film than anyone who says they're a fan of the material but makes a ****** film.
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I meant LL as well. They made changes that weren't necessary. Which proved to me they didn't understand the character from the CB or how important canon was to the fans.
 
Hoblin said:
I didn't mind the announcent of Mark Ruffalo as the new Bruce Banner for one reason: It confirms that Bruce Banner is in the movie. Yeah, I would have preferred Norton, but a recast is better than not having the Hulk in the movie. And on a side note...

Christ! I REALLY hope they don't go the "Banner in control of the Hulk" route. It skips past the whole dichotomy that makes the character awesome.

"Banner in control of the Hulk" is just another way saying "Super-strong Banner." And Strong Banner isn't the Hulk. Not even close. At all. Seriously. What if they cured Banner of the Hulk, and then injected him with some serum that gave him super strength? Bam! Super-strong Banner! Now we can rename the book and everything!

A little in control isn't too bad (and it's pretty much the status quo in the comics). Just enough sub-concious control to reign the beast in and keep it from being completely animalistic. And Super-strong Banner can be an interesting storyline for a little while, but not for a movie. Unless it's something like Banner is in control for a little while and then Hulk gets all pissed off and comes out all extra-mad and smashy and stuff.

Basically, I think Banner in control of the Hulk makes about as much sense (and is just as exciting) as Hawkeye in control of Captain America. And that's laaaaaaaaaaaame!

Like what if Doctor Doom did some whacked out mumbo jumbo and switched Hawkeye's and Captain America's minds? So now Clint Barton is stuck in Captain America's body. Is that Captain America? Hell NO, it's not Captain America. It's Clint Barton in Cap's body...duh!

Or what about all those times that Loki or the Stranger or the Collector or whatever crazy cosmic character took control of Hulk and made him do bad things and kick puppies or something like that? Would you blame Hulk for those things? Was that Hulk? Hell NO, it's not Hulk. It's the Stranger in Hulk's body...duh!

I don't even know if that makes sense, but I imagine that if I said it on the Jerry Springer show the audience would go wild.
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I agree with some parts and disagree with others. While I do think that Banner shouldn't be in total control in The Avengers' film, because that would suck out all the drama, I have nothing against Banner being in control in theory. I don't think he's inherently better with the Bruce Banner/Savage Hulk duality, and I think as a concept it shouldn't have lasted as long as it has. The Hulk is a great basic concept, but what kept the story going was change and innovation. Banner developing as a character and coming to grips with his inner demons and mental health problems as they also developed and grew worse or better over time. I think the most brilliant thing they ever did was having Bruce be cured of his instability and gain complete control over his powers and a more confident and whole personality during the "Professor Hulk" storyline. And while I think that his having a relapse every now and then wasn't a bad idea, I think that bringing him back to the realm of the Savage Hulk entirely was a major step backwards for his character. I think the fact that The Hulk has gotten a lot more calm and intelligent, and the only sign of his DID is that he thinks of both selves as separate and occasionally talks to himself, is a good step in the right direction.
 
Professor Hulk basically had Banner's intelligence and ingenuity, and Hulk's impulsiveness and roughousing demeanor. He could be discussing quantum physics one minute, then fighting someone and calling them some of the crudest names ever the next.
 
terry78 said:
Professor Hulk basically had Banner's intelligence and ingenuity, and Hulk's impulsiveness and roughousing demeanor. He could be discussing quantum physics one minute, then fighting someone and calling them some of the crudest names ever the next.
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I liked that. It was a broken man piecing together his identity into a cohesive whole. I dug that. And while I like the idea of him relapsing into his Savage Hulk ways, as relapse is often pretty likely for mental illness this serious, especially if one is under stress, the way it happened and the reason it it happened was making him the Savage Hulk again to placate people who didn't want it to change ever.
 
i want a green scar type personality. much like how hulk was portrayed in the planet hulk animated movie.
 
Norm3 said:
I meant LL as well. They made changes that weren't necessary. Which proved to me they didn't understand the character from the CB or how important canon was to the fans.
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But you seemed to also be generalizing, which was what I was trying to explain in my post. What you said that the director should be a fan of the source material is narrow minded. They don't have to be.
 
I want to see the Hulk evolve over time because of his experiments on himself. I think Marvel will wait on that for many years. Even though my favorite Hulk will always be what everybody seems to be term him the Savage Hulk. I would love to see a movie where he's Hulk with Banners brain but the threat is so bad he needs to convert himself back to Savage Hulk.
 
I would watch the hell out of a Professor Hulk movie. Especially if they could manage the feel of Peter David's run on the comic.
 
The Hulk to the average Joe is some rampaging, all-powerful green giant. Depicting him on screen as a Professor would be laughable IMO. CGI costs alone are the reason you'll never get that. They use banner to generate that aspect.
 
Oh ye of little faith.

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Box office GOLD, I tell ya.
 
Banner is angered and becomes The Hulk, now at that point we don't necessarily have a being that is nothing more than a mindless raging creature, if he is able to quickly resolve the source of the anger that triggered the transformation, The Hulk would actually be somewhat rational, all-be-it on a very basic level, and that is due to Banner's "control". This is the opportunity and the scenario for a vocally communicating Hulk. Of course after a time the lack of any antagonistic stimuli will trigger the transformation back to Banner.

The Hulk certainly beleives himself to be seperate from Banner, but as we know Banner is definitely part of The Hulk's psyche, however once The Hulk appears, he has a very very short tolerance for even the most trivial annoyance, and if the annoyance escalates to an out and out battle, The Hulk can indeed become a raging mindless beast. This is the element that signals to the audience the increase in his strength, not a growth of body mass, but an increase in his savage brutality.
 
just so everyone remembers....

thanks to art teacher for the wonderful concept.

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i actually prefer Savage Hulk. smart Hulk is cool too but if i had to pick only one it,d probably be the Savage version. i also dig Skaar and Hiro-Kala(the sons of Hulk). wonder if theyll ever pop up in a Marvel flick. seriously doubt it tho.
 
Silver Knight said:
I still think Hulk will look very different and will have short hair.
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Nah I don't think,it's in the same continuity as TIH,even if Banner has changed Hulk will be the same.maybe he'll have short hair,but I like him with long hair more,to me it feels more like a 'savage' creature.
 
First Avenger said:
Nah I don't think,it's in the same continuity as TIH,even if Banner has changed Hulk will be the same.maybe he'll have short hair,but I like him with long hair more,to me it feels more like a 'savage' creature.
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Im not so sure.

We have yet to see Hulk with short hair on the big screen.
 
Silver Knight said:
Im not so sure.

We have yet to see Hulk with short hair on the big screen.
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I remember back in 2008 an interview with Rhythm and Hues,the studio that made TIH's Hulk model,saying that their CGI model was ready to be used in the Avengers if Hulk was in the movie,so that they would just make animations to that model.creating a completely new Hulk would be a waste of money at this point.
 
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