The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Part 10

[Spider-Fan]

I was watching Spider-Man 3 on FX earlier. From the point where MJ gets the waitress job and calls Harry. I still like this movie Yeah, sure it has some bad plot conveniences and points (symbiote landing by Peter randomly, the friggin Butler, bad team-up scene, etc). I also am not a fan of the Uncle Ben retcon idea. But, I love Harry's story, love the fight scenes, really love the way the movie is shot and the symbolic imagery, and while Brock and Sandman are underdeveloped, I don't hate them. I don't hate the evil Parker idea they had for Venom. I just feel he was under used before becoming Venom. His character design once he is Venom is great, and the church scene is AWESOME.

So much I still like about this movie.

 

[OcStat]

Yeah there's quite a bit to enjoy.

Eddie Brock himself gets the short end of the characterization stick, but I feel there's enough scenes that show all we need to know about him, he's a spiteful sleaze. I always viewed his arc as villain not solely his own. The arc is really that of the symbiote, it lands on earth, tries to corrupt Peter, is rejected and finds another being filled with spite and is able to attack it's rejector. Eddie's part is one piece of the puzzle, and Venom at the end is the payoff.

The conclusion of Harry Osborn's story was always the thing I was most excited for leading up to the movie and those are still the most rewarding character moments in the movie, and some of the best fight scenes in the trilogy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah there's quite a bit to enjoy.

Eddie Brock himself gets the short end of the characterization stick, but I feel there's enough scenes that show all we need to know about him, he's a spiteful sleaze. I always viewed his arc as villain not solely his own. The arc is really that of the symbiote, it lands on earth, tries to corrupt Peter, is rejected and finds another being filled with spite and is able to attack it's rejector. Eddie's part is one piece of the puzzle, and Venom at the end is the payoff.

The conclusion of Harry Osborn's story was always the thing I was most excited for leading up to the movie and those are still the most rewarding character moments in the movie, and some of the best fight scenes in the trilogy.

I agree that Venom is the combination of the symbiote's arc and Brock's, but that said, I do think Brock needed another scene after he was fired. Something that would have made us care more about him seeing Gwen with Peter. I actually like the symbiote as a character. I love how much it fought Peter in leaving at the church, and only gave up once it started attaching to Brock.

I do think it landing randomly by Peter in the park was VERY lazy, and it should have landed in the park by itself, and had some sort of POV shot of it going through the streets of New York looking for someone. Then see it draw itself to Peter and follow him home. Would have worked much better.

 

[Venom75]

Since Eddie was supposed to be Peter's doppleganger,I would've loved a scene where after he was fired he goes back to his crappy apartment only to be confronted by his foreign landord who wants rent. He doesn't have it and tries to explain that he was fired,but the landlord kicks him out anyway. Then he tries to get sympathy from Gwen only to be turned away there too. Which would only add to Eddie's anger towards Peter(and the world).

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Since Eddie was supposed to be Peter's doppleganger,I would've loved a scene where after he was fired he goes back to his crappy apartment only to be confronted by his foreign landord who wants rent. He doesn't have it and tries to explain that he was fired,but the landlord kicks him out anyway. Then he tries to get sympathy from Gwen only to be turned away there too. Which would only add to Eddie's anger towards Peter(and the world).

There was a deleted scene of that right?

 

[spiderman2]

There was a deleted scene of that right?

I don't think there was but maybe there was. I think there was like 16 deleted scens in the movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I know one existed between he and Gwen.

 

[Green Goblin]

This is for Spider-Man 3 fans.

If Spidey 3 was the first SM movie would you like it? Does the fact that it followed two films you like mean you like it more and/or it actually improves the quality?

 

[The Joker]

If it was the first Spider-Man movie it wouldn't make much sense since a lot of it's plot relies on the events and development from the first two movies.

 

[Green Goblin]

If it was the first Spider-Man movie it wouldn't make much sense since a lot of it's plot relies on the events and development from the first two movies.

I suppose. What I was trying to say was that do people like SM3 more because they liked the first two?

 

[henzINNIT]

I don't think there was but maybe there was. I think there was like 16 deleted scens in the movie.

There was. Eddie visits Gwen at her home after he is fired from the daily bugle. Captain Stacy tells him to leave.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This is for Spider-Man 3 fans.

If Spidey 3 was the first SM movie would you like it? Does the fact that it followed two films you like mean you like it more and/or it actually improves the quality?

SM3 wouldn't have worked as the first Spidey film. Thus, this is an impossible question to answer. If you're asking does the fact that it followed SM1 and SM2 makes me like it more, my answer is yes. I have loyalty to those characters that I simply don't for Marc Webb's because of my enjoyment of SM1 and SM2. So I do think SM1 and SM2 makes SM3 a little bit better.

 

[Oscorp]

SM3 wouldn't have worked as the first Spidey film. Thus, this is an impossible question to answer. If you're asking does the fact that it followed SM1 and SM2 makes me like it more, my answer is yes. I have loyalty to those characters that I simply don't for Marc Webb's because of my enjoyment of SM1 and SM2. So I do think SM1 and SM2 makes SM3 a little bit better.

Interesting. I'm thinking: wouldn't the enjoyment of SM1 and SM2 make you feel more disappointed by SM3?

I can see what you mean and I somewhat agree with you, but wouldn't SM3 feel more like a downfall then?

At the same time, I can see why one would be more forgiving.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Interesting. I'm thinking: wouldn't the enjoyment of SM1 and SM2 make you feel more disappointed by SM3?

I can see what you mean and I somewhat agree with you, but wouldn't SM3 feel more like a downfall then?

At the same time, I can see why one would be more forgiving.

I'm sure this answer will vary from fan to fan, but in my case, the movie offers me angle that continue the storyline's of SM1 and SM2 in a way I enjoy, so I am willing to overlook some flaws. For a series I care less about, I am harder on the flaws.

 

[Oscorp]

I'm sure this answer will vary from fan to fan, but in my case, the movie offers me angle that continue the storyline's of SM1 and SM2 in a way I enjoy, so I am willing to overlook some flaws. For a series I care less about, I am harder on the flaws.

Ah I Think I understand. There's the same actors, directing style, closure to the story etc. that redeems some of the worse qualities. I Think I agree with that.

 

[DCW]

Stumbled across this gif, reminded me how awesome Venom looked.

Edit:

And this one

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Stumbled across this gif, reminded me how awesome Venom looked.

Edit:

And this one

Venom looked PERFECT in the movie.

I've never been a fan of huge Venom from some cartoons and comics designs, it looks too much like the Licker from the Resient Evil movies.

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lol i found this gif

 

[LizardMan07]

I don't actually think spider-man 3 was THAT bad.

Had some really good moments in in, I thought new goblin was a good character, didn't mind sandman and venom had the cool factor

 

[OriginalMiles]

I actually thought Venom was one of the stronger points in this movie.

It's just Topher Grace that I don't like, but his story in this was solid.

 

[The Joker]

Venom was written better than the comic book version ever was. At least this version had a decent motivation for hating Spider-Man.

 

[OcStat]

Venom and Eddie have been utilized with a lot more originality in the last ten years than the first ten of his existence. But it seems a lot of folks only recall his debut and late 80's/early 90's stories.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

For me the only problem with Venom/Brock in this movie is their limited screen-time.

 

[AnneFan]

I was watching Spider-Man 3 on FX earlier. From the point where MJ gets the waitress job and calls Harry. I still like this movie Yeah, sure it has some bad plot conveniences and points (symbiote landing by Peter randomly, the friggin Butler, bad team-up scene, etc). I also am not a fan of the Uncle Ben retcon idea. But, I love Harry's story, love the fight scenes, really love the way the movie is shot and the symbolic imagery, and while Brock and Sandman are underdeveloped, I don't hate them. I don't hate the evil Parker idea they had for Venom. I just feel he was under used before becoming Venom. His character design once he is Venom is great, and the church scene is AWESOME.

So much I still like about this movie.

I feel the same way. I can't help but love SM3.

 

[Green Goblin]

Does anyone know which scenes from Spider-Man 3 were filmed back to back with Spider-Man 2?

 

[The Joker]

They didn't film any SM-3 scenes back to back with SM-2...