The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

''Eugh... *****, I hate you so much. Three movies with you is more than enough''.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

lmao I've never seen that before

 

[Venom75]

That gif remains,to this day,one of the funniest things I've ever seen. Does anyone know when this took place,and when?

 

[The Joker]

Where I don't know, but it was definitely post Spider-Man 3.

 

[Spider2099]

Couldn't agree more, which is why I don't agree with some of the comments on how the first two Raimi films feel dated. They don't feel dated to me. If they were released today, I feel like they'd fit right in with the MCU.

I don't think it's a coincidence either, considering that Joss Whedon said back in 2012 that the first two Spider-Man movies are among his favorites. I think the word he used was "unmatched," I believe?

I really don't understand why people think SM1 and SM2 are dated. At most I guess some of the music choices are a bit dated but honestly those films really stand the test of time. I always watch them at least once or twice every year.

And yeah, I think Joss Whedon said that the first two SM films are his favorites. He either said "unmatched" or "unbeatable." IDK which.

 

[W/ Great Power]

Why I have never seen this is beyond me.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Where I don't know, but it was definitely post Spider-Man 3.

I thought it was after the first?

 

[The Joker]

No I'm pretty sure that surfaced after the third movie.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Ah, weird. Regardless it is still funny lol

 

[spiderman2]

I really don't understand why people think SM1 and SM2 are dated. At most I guess some of the music choices are a bit dated but honestly those films really stand the test of time. I always watch them at least once or twice every year.

And yeah, I think Joss Whedon said that the first two SM films are his favorites. He either said "unmatched" or "unbeatable." IDK which.

I do think sm 1 is dated. A lot of the CGI doesn't look that good any more and just the movies all around entertaining compared to another super hero movies is not has high now. Now sm 2 heck no the movie is still one of the most entertaining CBM. Still has the best action of any CBM and a lot of the CGI still looks good/great and ock second best villain in a CBM behind only joker in dark knight. Also the way harry and peters relationships is handler is great just truly a classic movie!

 

[Lantern Venom]

I do think sm 1 is dated. A lot of the CGI doesn't look that good any more and just the movies all around entertaining compared to another super hero movies is not has high now. Now sm 2 heck no the movie is still one of the most entertaining CBM. Still has the best action of any CBM and a lot of the CGI still looks good/great and ock second best villain in a CBM behind only joker in dark knight. Also the way harry and peters relationships is handler is great just truly a classic movie!

I just watched the trilogy again a few months ago, and I thought the CGI held up in just about every case. The only instance where the effects bothered me was the jump to elude Gobby's glider at the end. I'm not sure if Tobey's body was combined with CGI there or if he was pulled in a harness, but there is something just a tad "off" about how that looks.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Agreed. Sfx in Spider-Man 1 are still very good. All three Raimi ones have great fx. Spider-Man 2's so good it got an Oscar.

 

[Leenie]

I remember this!

Man. Tobey's death glare makes it.

 

[BrollySupersj]

I wonder if that intentional for humor, or if they were just not digging each other.

 

[Spider2099]

There are a few shots in SM1 that stand out:

1. Green Goblin using knockout gas at the Daily Bugle and flying away with him. It was obviously CGI.

2. Some of the shots of Spider-Man swinging during the chase with Uncle Ben's killer

3. Green Goblin punching Spider-Man while holding onto the tram car

I can't really think of anything else at the moment but the CGI overall looks very good in SM1. In some cases the SFX were ahead of their time (e.g. the final swing or dodging the razor bats) and I think people trash it a lot more than it deserves.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

I wonder if that intentional for humor, or if they were just not digging each other.

I can't say for sure they weren't "digging each other" but there's no way that was an intentional thing just for humor. That was a real moment.

There are a few shots in SM1 that stand out:

1. Green Goblin using knockout gas at the Daily Bugle and flying away with him. It was obviously CGI.

2. Some of the shots of Spider-Man swinging during the chase with Uncle Ben's killer

3. Green Goblin punching Spider-Man while holding onto the tram car

I can't really think of anything else at the moment but the CGI overall looks very good in SM1. In some cases the SFX were ahead of their time (e.g. the final swing or dodging the razor bats) and I think people trash it a lot more than it deserves.

It's just like any other movie with a large amount of cgi. Each bit falls into one of three categories. 1) The cgi looks good for the time the movie is released but eventually becomes dated looking over the course of time and technology improves. 2) The cgi doesn't meet the current par. It already looks 'fake' or dated the moment the movie is released. 3) The cgi looks incredibly real. It is extremely polished and last well beyond the years of the movie. A bit of cgi that even a decade later, still looks good enough to fit that current level of cgi technology.

It's always the same with every movie but the difference is, how much or what percentages of cgi fall into those categories.

 

[Spider2099]

I can't say for sure they weren't "digging each other" but there's no way that was an intentional thing just for humor. That was a real moment.



It's just like any other movie with a large amount of cgi. Each bit falls into one of three categories. 1) The cgi looks good for the time the movie is released but eventually becomes dated looking over the course of time and technology improves. 2) The cgi doesn't meet the current par. It already looks 'fake' or dated the moment the movie is released. 3) The cgi looks incredibly real. It is extremely polished and last well beyond the years of the movie. A bit of cgi that even a decade later, still looks good enough to fit that current level of cgi technology.

It's always the same with every movie but the difference is, how much or what percentages of cgi fall into those categories.

Excellent post. People make it seem as if SM1 is some sort of exception and just has terrible CGI all over the place. That's not true at all.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I wonder if that intentional for humor, or if they were just not digging each other.

Definitely a real moment. But, truth be told, I don't think Kirsten meant to push him to one side... she was simply moving closer to the mic.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It's just like any other movie with a large amount of cgi. Each bit falls into one of three categories. 1) The cgi looks good for the time the movie is released but eventually becomes dated looking over the course of time and technology improves. 2) The cgi doesn't meet the current par. It already looks 'fake' or dated the moment the movie is released. 3) The cgi looks incredibly real. It is extremely polished and last well beyond the years of the movie. A bit of cgi that even a decade later, still looks good enough to fit that current level of cgi technology.

It's always the same with every movie but the difference is, how much or what percentages of cgi fall into those categories.

Agreed. I still think it look great now.

 

[spiderman2]

I can't say for sure they weren't "digging each other" but there's no way that was an intentional thing just for humor. That was a real moment.



It's just like any other movie with a large amount of cgi. Each bit falls into one of three categories. 1) The cgi looks good for the time the movie is released but eventually becomes dated looking over the course of time and technology improves. 2) The cgi doesn't meet the current par. It already looks 'fake' or dated the moment the movie is released. 3) The cgi looks incredibly real. It is extremely polished and last well beyond the years of the movie. A bit of cgi that even a decade later, still looks good enough to fit that current level of cgi technology.

It's always the same with every movie but the difference is, how much or what percentages of cgi fall into those categories.

Agree but the thing is sm has a lot of CGI that fails into number 1 looked good for its time but has aged now where sm 2 has a lot that fails under number 3 that is looks incredibley real and has aged greatly. Asm2 has a lot of number 1 and number 3 and almost no number 2.

 

[The Joker]

Empire did a public vote for the top 30 superhero movies. Some really interesting results on this one. Only two Spider-Man movies made the list. Spider-Man 2002 came in at # 22, and Spider-Man 2 came in at #6.

http://www.empireonline.com/features/greatest-superhero-movies/p1

 

[spiderman2]

Empire did a public vote for the top 30 superhero movies. Some really interesting results on this one. Only two Spider-Man movies made the list. Spider-Man 2002 came in at # 22, and Spider-Man 2 came in at #6.

http://www.empireonline.com/features/greatest-superhero-movies/p1

I saw that list the another day and it is a tearable list. SM2 is 6th to low and no cap2 or xmen dofp in the top 10? Thor above xmen first class? Batman begins and dark knight rises at only 20 ,19? I always thought iron man was way overrated so to see it only at 16 was a surprise as it is one of only like 5 movies you tend to have people talk about when it comes to the best CBM ever. Never even heard of unbreakable yet it is 8? Batman returns at 7 really? Batman returns isn't even the 7th best movie between batman and spider man lol. So yeah this has got to be one of the worst things I have ever seen.

 

[The Joker]

That's the difference between fanboy opinion and public opinion. You're used to reading comic book fans here and what they think. What they think doesn't always align with what the general public think. This was a list compiled by votes of Empire's readers. It wasn't conducted on a CBM forum or website. You'd expect The Winter Soldier and DOFP to be ranked over GOTG based on what you read here from fans. But the box office and DVD sales show GOTG sold a lot more than TWS and DOFP with the public.

I will say though that BB and TDKR are rated too low, and Spider-Man 2 should be in the top 5, even though 6th place is still an excellent spot (anywhere in the top 10 is).

 

[Venom75]

I know this is mostly blasphemy here,but I would rate Spider-man 3 in there. Not really high,but maybe somewhere in the 20's. But I think it's become public opinion that the film is one of the worst(which is far from true). Batman Returns is way too high and also,no Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles(1990)?

 

[Spider2099]

I would definitely consider SM3 to be one of the greatest disappointments. But I wouldn't even consider it to be one of the worst CBMs... not even close.