The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

[Leenie]

Gotta stop coming to this thread too many nostalgic feels...

Really though I don't know what's gonna happen with the next iteration of Spider-Man? but it's gonna tough to live up to the Raimi legacy even now. TASM series was proof of that.

Everything I've heard and read about the MCU Spider-Man so far gives me hope. It also tells me that Marvel is playing their cards right: No origin movie (how many Uncle Bens does Hollywood have to kill before everyone "gets" Spidey's origin? Last thing we all need is yet another origin film), and a plot that isn't focused on a romance. I think that's a good start for this new Spidey series to distance itself from pretty much all of Sony's previous films.

A part of me wishes that the MCU Spidey was more grown up (and not in high school), but I get why Marvel decided to do it. Peter has to become Spider-Man at a young age, and if Marvel started their films with Peter as an adult, it would create a huge, gaping plothole: Where was he in the battle of New York in The Avengers? It makes better sense for the timeline that Spider-Man comes into the picture at least after the first Avengers flick.

As I said in a previous post, though: While I am excited for what Marvel's going to do, I don't think MCU Spidey is going to beat the first two Raimi films for me (because I think Spider-Man 1 & 2 are just that good, especially Spider-Man 2). That doesn't mean I think the new movies will be duds, though. I'm hopeful that Marvel & Sony will make something great for Spider-Man fans.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Everything I've heard and read about the MCU Spider-Man so far gives me hope. It also tells me that Marvel is playing their cards right: No origin movie (how many Uncle Bens does Hollywood have to kill before everyone "gets" Spidey's origin? Last thing we all need is yet another origin film), and a plot that isn't focused on a romance. I think that's a good start for this new Spidey series to distance itself from pretty much all of Sony's previous films.

A part of me wishes that the MCU Spidey was more grown up (and not in high school), but I get why Marvel decided to do it. Peter has to become Spider-Man at a young age, and if Marvel started their films with Peter as an adult, it would create a huge, gaping plothole: Where was he in the battle of New York in The Avengers? It makes better sense for the timeline that Spider-Man comes into the picture at least after the first Avengers flick.

As I said in a previous post, though: While I am excited for what Marvel's going to do, I don't think MCU Spidey is going to beat the first two Raimi films for me (because I think Spider-Man 1 & 2 are just that good, especially Spider-Man 2). That doesn't mean I think the new movies will be duds, though. I'm hopeful that Marvel & Sony will make something great for Spider-Man fans.

Agree on all points.

I like what I am hearing thus far from Feige and Marvel about this upcoming series. Not getting my hopes too high just yet, lord knows I need a break from having my hopes/dreams smashed, lol. Nevertheless, I have much more faith in a Marvel produced Spidey production over a strictly Sony one. ASM3? No thanks. Sinister 6? Blecch.

I agree with Bruce in that I think the Raimi series, 1st two anyway, will be tough to top in terms of the impact they had on the CBM industry. I'm not sure that will ever be topped. Honestly, if it wasn't for the greatness of SM2, TDK wouldn't have been able to lift the bar. Just my opinion, of course. I'd most certainly like for the next Spidey movies to have that general positive impact on the CBM industry once more, but I'm willing to settle for just a compelling, engaging film that has a great character driven story and makes me believe in Spidey at the cinema again.

 

[The Joker]

Gotta stop coming to this thread too many nostalgic feels...

Really though I don't know what's gonna happen with the next iteration of Spider-Man? but it's gonna tough to live up to the Raimi legacy even now. TASM series was proof of that.

It's not even about living up to Raimi's legacy for me. Just give us good movies. Don't try and compete or mimic with other movies, which was a problem the failed reboot franchise had.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

Everything I've heard and read about the MCU Spider-Man so far gives me hope. It also tells me that Marvel is playing their cards right: No origin movie (how many Uncle Bens does Hollywood have to kill before everyone "gets" Spidey's origin? Last thing we all need is yet another origin film), and a plot that isn't focused on a romance. I think that's a good start for this new Spidey series to distance itself from pretty much all of Sony's previous films.

A part of me wishes that the MCU Spidey was more grown up (and not in high school), but I get why Marvel decided to do it. Peter has to become Spider-Man at a young age, and if Marvel started their films with Peter as an adult, it would create a huge, gaping plothole: Where was he in the battle of New York in The Avengers? It makes better sense for the timeline that Spider-Man comes into the picture at least after the first Avengers flick.

As I said in a previous post, though: While I am excited for what Marvel's going to do, I don't think MCU Spidey is going to beat the first two Raimi films for me (because I think Spider-Man 1 & 2 are just that good, especially Spider-Man 2). That doesn't mean I think the new movies will be duds, though. I'm hopeful that Marvel & Sony will make something great for Spider-Man fans.

I agree, I would have liked a slightly older Peter instead of a teen but Im still optimistic about the movie. Like you said the first 2 Raimi films set the bar really highly and in a way I think they'll never be topped, the new version will rely a lot of crossovers with the rest of the universe and while that's amazing, it gives it an advantage that the Raimi trilogy didn't have and yet one that they didn't need to make great films.

Agree on all points.

I like what I am hearing thus far from Feige and Marvel about this upcoming series. Not getting my hopes too high just yet, lord knows I need a break from having my hopes/dreams smashed, lol. Nevertheless, I have much more faith in a Marvel produced Spidey production over a strictly Sony one. ASM3? No thanks. Sinister 6? Blecch.

I agree with Bruce in that I think the Raimi series, 1st two anyway, will be tough to top in terms of the impact they had on the CBM industry. I'm not sure that will ever be topped. Honestly, if it wasn't for the greatness of SM2, TDK wouldn't have been able to lift the bar. Just my opinion, of course. I'd most certainly like for the next Spidey movies to have that general positive impact on the CBM industry once more, but I'm willing to settle for just a compelling, engaging film that has a great character driven story and makes me believe in Spidey at the cinema again.

Completely agree with this, SM2 feels like a foundation for every superhero film that came after, especially when I watch the Aunt May speech, not only does it work for Spider-Man but it also gives an entire level of appreciation for the superhero genre as a whole.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Did other comic book movies say they were inspired by Spider-Man 2?

I love Aunt May's hero speech. I think best Aunt May scenes were in 2.

 

[Leenie]

Agree on all points.

I like what I am hearing thus far from Feige and Marvel about this upcoming series. Not getting my hopes too high just yet, lord knows I need a break from having my hopes/dreams smashed, lol. Nevertheless, I have much more faith in a Marvel produced Spidey production over a strictly Sony one. ASM3? No thanks. Sinister 6? Blecch.

I agree with Bruce in that I think the Raimi series, 1st two anyway, will be tough to top in terms of the impact they had on the CBM industry. I'm not sure that will ever be topped. Honestly, if it wasn't for the greatness of SM2, TDK wouldn't have been able to lift the bar. Just my opinion, of course. I'd most certainly like for the next Spidey movies to have that general positive impact on the CBM industry once more, but I'm willing to settle for just a compelling, engaging film that has a great character driven story and makes me believe in Spidey at the cinema again.

When it comes to "game-changers" with comic book movies, I give most credit to the first two X-Men movies, Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies, and Nolan's first two Batman movies. These film franchises have influenced so many comic book movies.

Bryan Singer's first X-Men, in my opinion, really kickstarted the whole comic book movie phenomena. That movie showed that Hollywood could treat these characters seriously and with care, and that they could have a successful product with it. The first Spider-Man movie, in my opinion, solidified that. It's kind of like the Disney Renaissance: Little Mermaid was a successful start to it, but Beauty & The Beast put it on the map.

I remember shortly after the first Avengers movie came out in 2012, Joss Whedon said in an interview that Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies set the bar (and that they were still among his most-favorite comic book films; he also expressed much love for Batman Begins). The tone in many of the MCU movies have a lot to owe those first two Spider-Man movies, in my opinion.

Also, I remember when the first Iron Man came out, Jon Favreau said several times that Iron Man wouldn't have been made at all if it had not been for Batman Begins. He said that Batman Begins inspired him greatly while making the first Iron Man (which I can totally see). And, honestly, I give credit to the Nolan Batman movies for how Captain America: The Winter Soldier turned out.

 

[Leenie]

It's not even about living up to Raimi's legacy for me. Just give us good movies. Don't try and compete or mimic with other movies, which was a problem the failed reboot franchise had.

Agreed 100%

The main reason as to why I am optimistic and hopeful for how MCU Spidey turns out is because it seems to me that they're going for something different. They're trying to do their own thing.

The best news I've heard about MCU Spidey is that they're not going to do an origin movie, and that he's going to start in Civil War. That is exactly how I wanted Spider-Man to be introduced to the MCU. Marvel Studios doesn't want to treat their audience as if they're idiots; everybody knows Spider-Man's origin at this point. There's no need to do it again. Think about it: If Spidey got another origin movie next year instead of appearing in Civil War, that would be a grand total of THREE origin movies in 15 years. So unnecessary.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

When it comes to "game-changers" with comic book movies, I give most credit to the first two X-Men movies, Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies, and Nolan's first two Batman movies. These film franchises have influenced so many comic book movies.

Bryan Singer's first X-Men, in my opinion, really kickstarted the whole comic book movie phenomena. That movie showed that Hollywood could treat these characters seriously and with care, and that they could have a successful product with it. The first Spider-Man movie, in my opinion, solidified that. It's kind of like the Disney Renaissance: Little Mermaid was a successful start to it, but Beauty & The Beast put it on the map.

I remember shortly after the first Avengers movie came out in 2012, Joss Whedon said in an interview that Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies set the bar (and that they were still among his most-favorite comic book films; he also expressed much love for Batman Begins). The tone in many of the MCU movies have a lot to owe those first two Spider-Man movies, in my opinion.

Also, I remember when the first Iron Man came out, Jon Favreau said several times that Iron Man wouldn't have been made at all if it had not been for Batman Begins. He said that Batman Begins inspired him greatly while making the first Iron Man (which I can totally see). And, honestly, I give credit to the Nolan Batman movies for how Captain America: The Winter Soldier turned out.

Great analogy with the Disney comparison. The Little Mermaid was what brought Disney out of the dumps and started the trend that they have today. It gave them another shot at being a contender or at least to be taken seriously in the animated movie market.

In the CBM market, I agree, X-Men started the modern day trend. SM1, mostly SM2 and also Begins took what was started and built upon it to be the foundation for what we see being produced today. That you could make actual good movies; character-based movies about superheroes that are more than just a good movie about some powers but really in depth films that can be relevant stories, engaging and just be a good movie, period. TDK definitely raised the bar but the bar exists because of those proverbial timeline tick marks made by the movies I mentioned.

SM1-2 will always remain as classics because of what they accomplished, imo. I'm sure one of these days we'll get some great Spidey movies once again. I'm actually excited to hear more about that animated 2018 movie too.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think you can put comic book films into a few eras that were jump-started by specific films:

Era 1 would be with the first Superman movie in the late 70's.

Era 2 would be the first Batman film

Era 3 would be the first X-Men film but in terms of comparable success/cultural impact to the previous eras, the first Spider-Man may fit the bill better.

Era 4 Would be The Dark Knight in terms of showing that a comic book film could be considered serious cinema as well as Iron Man for kick-starting the MCU.

Honorable mentions go to Batman Begins though while not being a giant blockbuster on its release, sort of starting the reboot trend.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Did other comic book movies say they were inspired by Spider-Man 2?

In AOU they stopped a speeding train from derailing. Done with nowhere near the swelling crescendo of drama and emotion, or sweeping sense of grandeur, of course.

When it comes to "game-changers" with comic book movies, I give most credit to the first two X-Men movies, Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies, and Nolan's first two Batman movies. These film franchises have influenced so many comic book movies.

You don't credit the Avengers? Avengers is the first movie to successfully combine different individual franchises into a cohesive whole. Post-Avengers, every movie studios has been scrambling to create their own shared universe. That is the very definition of a game changer.

 

[Leenie]

In AOU they stopped a speeding train from derailing. Done with nowhere near the swelling crescendo of drama and emotion, or sweeping sense of grandeur, of course.

You don't credit the Avengers? Avengers is the first movie to successfully combine different individual franchises into a cohesive whole. Post-Avengers, every movie studios has been scrambling to create their own shared universe. That is the very definition of a game changer.

While I definitely do credit The Avengers for changing the current game, I maintain that without the successes of the X-Men films, the Spider-Man films, and the Nolan Batman films, I don't think we'd be seeing the MCU flicks as they are now. Also, the Avengers did rely on the successes of the Phase One Marvel movies ... And Jon Favreau credits Batman Begins for being able to direct the first Iron Man.

What I'm saying is that if the franchises I mentioned had never happened, I don't think we'd have an MCU (or, at least an MCU that filmmakers would approach seriously, that is).

You are right, though ... The Avengers should be listed as one of the game-changers. Pretty much every comic book movie since (even the second Avengers movie) has tried to live up to it.

 

[Venom75]

The original Spider-man is what really set off the comic book movie revolution,in my opinion. Movies like Blade and X-men did great business and were hits but they never really brought about huge excitement in the genre. Spidey is one of the top characters ever and it took such a long time to big him to the screen,which added to the magic and excitement over the original. With Spider-man,that's when I remember really paying attention to superhero films and was excited to see what came out next.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-new-spider-man-team-804569

Watts will always be held to the standard set by Sam Raimi, who directed the successful Spider-Man trilogy that earned north of $2.5 billion worldwide and set the bar for comic book-based movies. The original was a film embraced by both audiences and critics.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Sucks for Andrew but it's 100% true.

Honestly I wished they would have gone the route of a post-HS spider-man. I think it would have been the best way to establish a clear cut from the past series by not re-treading HS territory.

It sucks we've still never gotten a true Spider-Man yet.

 

[OcStat]

I get what youre saying, but Spider-Man was always a young kid when he started, that is kind of the point. Ultimate Spider-Man by Bendis explores in great depth that this boy is putting himself in over his head with forces he is still too young to grasp. His age will set him apart from the rest of the heroes in the MCU and hopefully play up his vigilantism compared to the trained and organized Avengers

And Raimi pretty much did give us the young adult Spider-Man, engaged, employeed, in college. We just didn't see them move into a house and get married. But that's about as far as Spider-Man has aged in the comics, and depending on who you ask, it was for better or worse.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-new-spider-man-team-804569

The original and the sequel even more was embraced by audiences and critics.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I get what youre saying, but Spider-Man was always a young kid when he started, that is kind of the point. Ultimate Spider-Man by Bendis explores in great depth that this boy is putting himself in over his head with forces he is still too young to grasp. His age will set him apart from the rest of the heroes in the MCU and hopefully play up his vigilantism compared to the trained and organized Avengers

And Raimi pretty much did give us the young adult Spider-Man, engaged, employeed, in college. We just didn't see them move into a house and get married. But that's about as far as Spider-Man has aged in the comics, and depending on who you ask, it was for better or worse.

Yeah when he started and we've already gotten 2 film series of that.

Spider-Man has been out of HS for the vast majority of his comic book history.

Also yes that was one of the reasons in hindsight I wish we got a 4th Raimi film instead and finally saw a fully adult Spider-Man.

 

[OcStat]

He was out of High School through the majority of Spider-Man 1, the entirety of 2 and 3, and the majority of Amazing 2. Thing is, whether he's younger, or older, he's still Spider-Man. Feige said this Spider-Man will already be active when we meet him, but he is still just starting.

 

[Johnny-Oh]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...eige-on-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-connection

With that in mind, we asked whether there was anything from the previous incarnations of Spider-Man directed by Sam Raimi and Marc Webb that Feige might want to carry over to the new movie, to which he diplomatically responded, “We’re going to have it be its own thing but some of those Spider-Man films… I think Spider-Man 2 is one of the best superhero movies ever, so that’s a lot to live up to.”

YESS Loving the acclaim

 

[The Joker]

Well said, Feige. Spider-Man 2 is one of the best, and it's the high standard set by the Spider-Man movies that they should strive to.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/3...eige-on-the-marvel-sony-spider-man-connection

With that in mind, we asked whether there was anything from the previous incarnations of Spider-Man directed by Sam Raimi and Marc Webb that Feige might want to carry over to the new movie, to which he diplomatically responded, “We’re going to have it be its own thing but some of those Spider-Man films… I think Spider-Man 2 is one of the best superhero movies ever, so that’s a lot to live up to.”

YESS Loving the acclaim

Well said, Feige. Spider-Man 2 is one of the best, and it's the high standard set by the Spider-Man movies that they should strive to.

This gives me even more confidence in Feige.

 

[Leenie]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-new-spider-man-team-804569

Awww, yeah.

 

[Spidey_62]

Credit where credit is due, right? Every time Kevin Feige's talked about the new Spider-Man movie, it's made me feel good. 2 days and Spidey 2 will have been out for 11 years, pretty weird.

 

[Lantern Venom]

What are bones features?

You get a limited edition replica of Sam Raimi's skeleton as a preorder bonus

It's an explanation of the Skeletor spinoff Raimi had planned.

 

[HarryOsborn]

I watched Spider-Man 3 for the first time in since like 2010 and I really can't believe there are people who try and say it's worse than Amazing Spider-Man 2. It's easily the weakest of the 3 films, but there's some strong stuff in there. Also Sandman killing Uncle Ben really doesn't change anything, fans were just so up in arms, that they didn't seem to notice marko only shot Ben after he was startled by the burglar Peter let get away. Better than some of the weaker MCU films. I have hope for Marvel's Spider-Man, just like I have hope for Episode VII, but I don't like a lot of what I'm hearing.

My biggest issue is Tom Holland's (Asa Butterfield's and the other condenser's as well) age. We spent 5 years with an insecure developing Peter Parker in Spider-Man 1-3. The biggest appeal for Spider-Man 4 was that he was finally going to be the real seasoned Spider-Man we were looking for, not only from a story perspective, but Tobey would be entering round 4. The way Chris Evans was solidified as Cap having played him 3 (technically 4 times) by the time Winter Soldier came out, it was excited to see Spidey this way.

Amazing Spider-Man made me really mad in this regard but it was a step in the right direction because Peter felt real. He was insecure, awkward, a modern-day underdog. A normal looking guy who's spent too much time as the butt of the joke. He was clumsy with his powers, he moved the right way, and he did what it felt like a real guy in his position would do. (really who wouldn't be like screw it I'm the superhero to the hot chick that's hitting on you?) Amazing Spider-Man 2 was... a big miscalculation, but still at least he was out of high school.

I'm not looking forward to going back to high school. Spider-Man has to be like Quicksilver in Future Past, in Civil War or I might skip out on this new reboot all together. I'm tired of it, Spider-Man should be in college not high school. The majority of his history was in college anyway.