The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - - Part 11

[Doctor Octopus]

Disagreed. Fans and public still love it and still always get ranked as one of best superhero movies. Any hate for it is minority. There is no polarizing.

 

[def28]

Yeah, these films made a huge impact with audiences, and in some ways are more respected and looked at as classics today then when they were released. Been long enough that nostalgia is kicking in now with kids who grew up watching it as their first superhero film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, these films made a huge impact with audiences, and in some ways are more respected and looked at as classics today then when they were released. Been long enough that nostalgia is kicking in now with kids who grew up watching it as their first superhero film.

There are still kids who love and watch them as well, my Nephews who are 5 and 7 watch them all the time.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Disagreed. Fans and public still love it and still always get ranked as one of best superhero movies. Any hate for it is minority. There is no polarizing.

We'll agree to disagree. I think there is a greater schism between the critical and GA reaction to SM2 then any other critically praised CBM.

There are CBM's that didn't get the critical praise that SM2 received yet have gotten higher audience ratings at various sites, hell last time I checked, MOS had the same IMDB rating as SM2.....Sad but true.

I really like the film and have acknowledged the great bits in it, I'm just giving my perspective on what I've experienced over the years.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Yeah, these films made a huge impact with audiences, and in some ways are more respected and looked at as classics today then when they were released. Been long enough that nostalgia is kicking in now with kids who grew up watching it as their first superhero film.

There are still kids who love and watch them as well, my Nephews who are 5 and 7 watch them all the time.

Agreed. I think Raimi Spider-Man movies are timeless and will keep grow with appreciation as years go on more.

We'll agree to disagree. I think there is a greater schism between the critical and GA reaction to SM2 then any other critically praised CBM.

There are CBM's that didn't get the critical praise that SM2 received yet have gotten higher audience ratings at various sites, hell last time I checked, MOS had the same IMDB rating as SM2.....Sad but true.

I really like the film and have acknowledged the great bits in it, I'm just giving my perspective on what I've experienced over the years.

IMDB not useful site for things like that. Like Man of steel movie have higher score there than first two of Christopher Reeve Superman movies and they a lot more popular than Man of Steel. Kick Ass have higher score than ones like X-Men 2 but X-Men 2 more popular. Kick ass have same score as Winter soldier movie but Winter soldier more popular than Kick ass is. There lots of examples where their scores not show reality of popularity on movies.

If you like to agree to disagree then that ok with me.

 

[def28]

There are still kids who love and watch them as well, my Nephews who are 5 and 7 watch them all the time.

Agreed. I think Raimi Spider-Man movies are timeless and will keep grow with appreciation as years go on more.

Definitely, my younger family members watch them quite often too. It's gonna take a few gigantic Spidey hits with Marvel to knock it out of it's place as the go to Spidey films. The first two Raimi films just have extremely high credibility as well as a huge audience.

Just a ton of people be it young or old own and love the films

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

IMDB not useful site for things like that. Like Man of steel movie have higher score there than first two of Christopher Reeve Superman movies and they a lot more popular than Man of Steel. Kick Ass have higher score than ones like X-Men 2 but X-Men 2 more popular. Kick ass have same score as Winter soldier movie but Winter soldier more popular than Kick ass is. There lots of examples where their scores not show reality of popularity on movies.

If you like to agree to disagree then that ok with me.

I understand your point about IMDB and sample size, but there are actually things on the site I agree with as much as disagree. If we are using these various sites to help gauge the perception of a film in a broader
context, then I don't think it can be so easily dismissed. Transformers is popular, but I doubt every fan of that franchise thinks it's great cinema.

The biggest thing I took away was the 7.3 for SM2?? I guess you could brush it off.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Disagreed. Fans and public still love it and still always get ranked as one of best superhero movies. Any hate for it is minority. There is no polarizing.

I would say Days of Future Past is the most polarizing of the 'great' CBMs. There is a significant fan backlash to that film, far larger than with SM2.

 

[Nardz937]

I understand your point about IMDB and sample size, but there are actually things on the site I agree with as much as disagree. If we are using these various sites to help gauge the perception of a film in a broader
context, then I don't think it can be so easily dismissed. Transformers is popular, but I doubt every fan of that franchise thinks it's great cinema.

The biggest thing I took away was the 7.3 for SM2?? I guess you could brush it off.

Oddly enough, the movies rating plummeted about .5 points right when the ASM movies were coming out. Fanboys of that series attacked it.

Spider-Man 2 was actually in the Top 250 back in the day.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Oddly enough, the movies rating plummeted about .5 points right when the ASM movies were coming out. Fanboys of that series attacked it.

Spider-Man 2 was actually in the Top 250 back in the day.

And this is a good example of why IMDB isn't reliable. Too many trolls voting repeatedly with no filter on them.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I would say Days of Future Past is the most polarizing of the 'great' CBMs. There is a significant fan backlash to that film, far larger than with SM2.

So much of this has to do with the anti-fox contingent. So if we have to disqualify IMDB because of trolls..

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Oddly enough, the movies rating plummeted about .5 points right when the ASM movies were coming out. Fanboys of that series attacked it.

Spider-Man 2 was actually in the Top 250 back in the day.

It's definitely dropped as time has gone on. I just assume these things even out, trolls drive it down, fans drive it back up. Unless there are more trolls then fans, which would be depressing.

 

[The Joker]

Oddly enough, the movies rating plummeted about .5 points right when the ASM movies were coming out. Fanboys of that series attacked it.

I noticed that, too. Fanboy wars.

And this is a good example of why IMDB isn't reliable. Too many trolls voting repeatedly with no filter on them.

Yeah anyone can make countless accounts on there and vote any movie up or down. It's why IMDb is the last place in the world you should look at for accurate rating stats.

 

[Godzillasaurus]

Disagreed. lol all young females not act that way. How many females you know? They must be ten years old lol.

How many females have you interacted with?

It's an exaggeration. But you would be surprised at how dumb some girls (and guys... So don't pull the sexism card out) can be at my age...

And yes, I have interacted with more than enough girls my age. And I'm not 10 years old either FYI

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Spider-Man actually has the same IMDB rating as SM2, did it drop after Webb's films like SM2? On RT the audience reviews for SM1 is only 67 % from 34 m user votes while SM2 is at 81% from 1.2 million users....I wonder why there is such a discrepancy in user votes between the 2 films?

 

[The Joker]

I never understood that either. I mean even big guns like The Dark Knight don't have even close to 34 million votes (it's actually got around the same number as SM-2), and there's only a 6 year gap between the release of it and SM-1.

 

[def28]

Yeah, Spider-Man 1's RT member numbers are insanely and very oddly high. Like you said Dark Knight and The Avengers as well don't even have 2 million. And Spidey 1 has 32 million? Something is up there.

Very few movies have that number of ratings. Titanic has 35 million also with an oddly low 69%. Revenge of The Sith also has that high of numbers but none of the other Star Wars film do.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Hmm, seems we can't really trust any of these things.

 

[def28]

I think alot of films allow to have a decent gauge, but there's definitely a few in there where the numbers are just too strange. Most blockbusters are lucky to have 1-2 million member ratings. I have no idea where those other 30 million members could have came from.

Maybe there was a small list of films people had to rate when signing up or something.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Hmm, seems we can't really trust any of these things.

I find that the best is the Rotten Tomatoes critic scores. Most of the opinions from critics seem to accurately reflect the popularity from the masses. It isn't perfect and they are clear exceptions like most Michael Bay movies, but it is the best we've got.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I think alot of films allow to have a decent gauge, but there's definitely a few in there where the numbers are just too strange. Most blockbusters are lucky to have 1-2 million member ratings. I have no idea where those other 30 million members could have came from.

Maybe there was a small list of films people had to rate when signing up or something.

I wonder if RT became more stringent after the abnormal number of votes for these 2002 films? People just creating multiple accounts to skew numbers takes away any credibility these ratings have. It's obviously a big issue with IMDB from what people have posted here.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I find that the best is the Rotten Tomatoes critic scores. Most of the opinions from critics seem to accurately reflect the popularity from the masses. It isn't perfect and they are clear exceptions like most Michael Bay movies, but it is the best we've got.

I feel this way as well. I used to follow the Metacritic aggregates, but in terms of reflecting the overall picture I think RT is superior, despite it's flaws. Clearly audience ratings are not the best gauge.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I find that the best is the Rotten Tomatoes critic scores. Most of the opinions from critics seem to accurately reflect the popularity from the masses. It isn't perfect and they are clear exceptions like most Michael Bay movies, but it is the best we've got.

Agreed.

 

[Batsfan1]

Agreed. I am going to cinema and then KFC with lady friend next week but we are not seeing it as date lol. We just good friends. We do things like that all time. Everyone who has girls as friends does.

As long you're not romantically interested in eachother and both know it it isn't. It's just a friend thing. Peter was asking her to eat because he was romantically interested in her and they both knew it.

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

 

[Doctor Octopus]

As long you're not romantically interested in eachother and both know it it isn't. It's just a friend thing. Peter was asking her to eat because he was romantically interested in her and they both knew it.

God bless you! God bless everyone in your life!

Disagreed. Friendships where people with feelings for each other can still have amicable friendship if one not want to be with the other. Peter asking her because they good friends still. That is same reason why he go see her play because he is friend and friends do that. MJ just not want it to lead more because she getting married that why she say that to him. Harry still have romance feelings for MJ but they still be friends after she break up with him and they hang out and go do things together. It not mean dating. You should understand that.

God bless you too.