Sequels The Official Jason White Thread

[Slipping_Halo]

i knew the moment lex knew that the kid was suppies. and at that moment...i felt a little bit of me die inside.

This is so true of me as well that it's genuinely upsetting me even now. I actually brought myself to forgive Singer and overlook the suit and I got crazy to go see the movie anyway, and then that happened and it was all over.

The kid needs to not exist anymore. I'm not talking about killing him, I'm talking about not existing, ever. Gone. Other than that the taste will never escape my mouth.

 

[Dark Knight]

On the contrary, it adds a new dimension to the character that has been there throughout all the movies. It dignifies the character and puts him away from the bidimensional good-doer in tights cliché.

Superman as a father cannot do anything but makes him a better man.



I read the whole post and you didn't post any reason for that.



To make Superman a bitter father with an indelible tragedy in his life?

That's taking Superman to the field of Batman or so. Losing a son is worse than losing parents or your girlfriend. That would mark Superman's life forever in a negative way. I'm sorry, the idea can't be any more wrtong for the character.

By having Jason die though would also bring about new dimensions in both Supes and Lois' characters.

 

[Sun_Down]

By the time a sequel is made, he won't be a kid anymore.

By the way, it wasn't successful with families with the kid alive, what would it matter if he was dead.

He was like six in Returns! The oldest he could be in the sequel is ten, maybe eleven. That's still a kid last time I checked.

And by the way, it was successful. And even if it wasn't, killing off the kid would be absolute suicide for the franchise, period.

They can kill him off toward the end of the film....

Oh yeah, that solves the problem perfectly. Let's have his death be the last thing to happen so it's the first thing people remember afterwards. Yup, that sure solves that problem.

 

[Dark Knight]

He was like six in Returns! The oldest he could be in the sequel is ten, maybe eleven. That's still a kid last time I checked.

And by the way, it was successful. And even if it wasn't, killing off the kid would be absolute suicide for the franchise, period.



Oh yeah, that solves the problem perfectly. Let's have his death be the last thing to happen so it's the first thing people remember afterwards. Yup, that sure solves that problem.

Well, lets just say I'm not a fan of the predicatable happy ending scenario for this sequel. Sorry if you are....

 

[El Payaso]

By having Jason die though would also bring about new dimensions in both Supes and Lois' characters.

Or for that matter, making Lois a lesbian or Superman becoming a communist.

But to give Superman a tragedy and loss even bigger than the one Bruce Wayne had that made him become Batman... I don't know. That I'd consider it way out of character.

 

[taintedFB]

Maybe he dies at the beginning of the movie. Or in between movies. Open on his funeral and mention that his sickness just got worse and it was genetic.

And should Richard find out Jason wasn't his. Would he care at that point? Would Lois tell him? Or keep it from him? How would Superman/ Clark react?

I was against the child thing from the start. Then when I thought it was Richard's, I thought it added depth and a real obstacle to Superman and Lois getting together. But they did it all wrong. Only his death can save the franchise at this point. And it shouldn't be a violent death. And this movie is not a kid's movie anyway (illegitimate children, who's the daddy, how could the daddy not know? it's not really kid's material)

 

[El Payaso]

And this movie is not a kid's movie anyway (illegitimate children, who's the daddy, how could the daddy not know? it's not really kid's material)

And... what if it's not a kid's movie?

 

[taintedFB]

I was just saying it wouldn't be the end of the world of Jason died. (a response to those saying WB would never kill a child in a family friendly movie)

Also, I think it wouldn't be like Batman because we'd see how differently Clark and Bruce Wayne would deal with tragedy. While Bruce is fueled by vengeance and justice, maybe Clark becomes even more appreciative of life...

 

[Dark Knight]

Or for that matter, making Lois a lesbian or Superman becoming a communist.

But to give Superman a tragedy and loss even bigger than the one Bruce Wayne had that made him become Batman... I don't know. That I'd consider it way out of character.

Well can someone come up with a creative way to actually develop Jason for say the 3rd film in a trilogy or even for a possible JLA film? Maybe he can be used in the Teen Titans movie?? Who knows....

The thing is IMO....there is nothing wrong with Superman having to deal with some type of personal tragedy. It will make him a more rounded character in the films. Instead of just the big blue boy scout that he is known as.

Plus Luthor knows whos' son Jason is. Thats not good.

Chances are a Braniac or Darkseid would find out and also look to exploit that as well. Jason will have a HUGE target on his back unfortunately.

 

[Dark Knight]

Also, I think it wouldn't be like Batman because we'd see how differently Clark and Bruce Wayne would deal with tragedy. While Bruce is fueled by vengeance and justice, maybe Clark becomes even more appreciative of life...

Exactly.....

 

[Sun_Down]

Well, lets just say I'm not a fan of the predicatable happy ending scenario for this sequel. Sorry if you are....

Never said anything remotely close to that so maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills a bit. I said nothing about a "happy ending", in fact I really enjoyed Superman Returns' bitter-sweet ending. You just seem unable to comprehend the fact that a family-friendly, summer blockbuster will not include the killing of a young boy to appease pissed of fanboys, period. The Punisher got away with that because it was made for adults and children weren't supposed to see it. Kids will see Superman movies and parents will be outraged if they kill a damn kid.

 

[Dark Knight]

Never said anything remotely close to that so maybe you should work on your reading comprehension skills a bit. I said nothing about a "happy ending", in fact I really enjoyed Superman Returns' bitter-sweet ending. You just seem unable to comprehend the fact that a family-friendly, summer blockbuster will not include the killing of a young boy to appease pissed of fanboys, period. The Punisher got away with that because it was made for adults and children weren't supposed to see it. Kids will see Superman movies and parents will be outraged if they kill a damn kid.

Sounds like your taking things a little personal huh?

Anyhow....you sound like you are one of the writers of the sequel.....or perhaps you work for WB's?? Because your WILL NOT comments make it sound like it.

I'm able to comprehend that if other PG-13 films that can make alot of money (Harry Potter) can kill young characters in there films than why can't they do it for the Supes sequel?

Besides as a writer, nobody would be killing off characters just to appease anyone, let alone pissed off fans. It would be to make the sequels story have far more drama and raw emotion.

Making movies to satisy the "parents" is how Batman and Robin was conceived. No bueno.....

 

[taintedFB]

It really depends on how the child is killed. That is why I am suggesting that he dies from his sickness and NOT MURDERED.

And if Harry Potter can do it, so can Superman. And FYI Superman was PG-13, so I don't think anyone thinks it will be a kid's movie (G or PG)

 

[Sun_Down]

Fixed your post so it actually makes sense. Don't bother thanking me.

Sounds like your taking things a little personal huh?

Anyhow....you sound like someone with half a brain.....or perhaps you understand basic logic?? Because your WILL NOT comments make it sound like it.

I'm able to comprehend that other PG-13 films that make alot of money (Harry Potter) have nothing to do with Superman.

Besides as a write, nobody would be killing off Jason unless they were in fact trying to appease pissed off fans. It would be a cheap copout.

Making movies to satisy 10 year olds is how Batman and Robin was conceived. No bueno.....

I can see that you're just completely out of touch with reality, which is good to know, I can stop talking to you now.

 

[DavidTyler]

Here again is the problem: If Jason is killed off, it drastically changes the dynamics of the Clark/Lois relationship. Lois is now the greiving mother and Clark may well be the guilt ridden father. Do any of you really want that?

I would rather find a way to go back in time and erase him completely. That's the only way Lois and Clark get to stay who they are currently.

 

[Dark Knight]

Fixed your post so it actually makes sense. Don't bother thanking me.



I can see that you're just completely out of touch with reality, which is good to know, I can stop talking to you now.

Yeah....especially when your worried about pleasing parents ahead of making a great film? sheesh......

Oh and I fixed my post.....just for you buddy. : /

 

[superbaby]

This is so true of me as well that it's genuinely upsetting me even now. I actually brought myself to forgive Singer and overlook the suit and I got crazy to go see the movie anyway, and then that happened and it was all over.

The kid needs to not exist anymore. I'm not talking about killing him, I'm talking about not existing, ever. Gone. Other than that the taste will never escape my mouth.

me too. i think the sequel is independent and never mentioning the kid again is the best way to go.

 

[Kabuki_Jo]

Me.

 

[pjspider1C]

Here again is the problem: If Jason is killed off, it drastically changes the dynamics of the Clark/Lois relationship. Lois is now the greiving mother and Clark may well be the guilt ridden father. Do any of you really want that?

I would rather find a way to go back in time and erase him completely. That's the only way Lois and Clark get to stay who they are currently.

That's easily done! Superman, not being able to handle the responsibilities of being a Father, decides to take the easy way out, fly west around the world really, really, really, really, really, really, really fast, so much so that the Earth spins backwards, which turns back time, and erases Jason from existance! Done!

 

[ClarkLuther55]

I don't like Jason, at all, but killing him would be a terrible idea. There is NO going back after that. The rest of the movie would be about Superman mourning for his son, and trying avenge his death. Instead of being an illegitimate father, he'll be a father who tragically lost his son. That would push the character even further from the source material.

Singer and his writers really backed themselves into a corner with this Superson crap. People don't want to see it, but he can't fix it either without screwing things up even more.

 

[Dark Knight]

me too. i think the sequel is independent and never mentioning the kid again is the best way to go.

Listen all I'm saying is that Jason can still be in the sequel...but it would add another dimension to the film if he were to either....die from an unknown illness possibly while saving Lois or Superman toward the end in heroic way.

Nobody has to murder him or anything like that.

Sheesh....

 

[Slipping_Halo]

The kid stinks, the idea stinks, its whole effect over the mythos and characters stinks, Singer stinks.

 

[superbaby]

Listen all I'm saying is that Jason can still be in the sequel...but it would add another dimension to the film if he were to either....die from an unknown illness possibly while saving Lois or Superman toward the end in heroic way.

Nobody has to murder him or anything like that.

Sheesh....

still a kid get killed in a superman movie... a very bad idea.

I don't like Jason, at all, but killing him would be a terrible idea. There is NO going back after that. The rest of the movie would be about Superman mourning for his son, and trying avenge his death. Instead of being an illegitimate father, he'll be a father who tragically lost his son. That would push the character even further from the source material.

Singer and his writers really backed themselves into a corner with this Superson crap. People don't want to see it, but he can't fix it either without screwing things up even more.

yup, they screwed up big time.
i think the kid will still be running around banging door, a comedy relief.
unless singer wanna focus on the kid story.

 

[buggs0268]

The fact is using the kid in the Kill his kid plot device has been used to death.

 

[Grinder]

Yeah, it's actually funny how the Singerboys put the "totally new and never seen before" Superkid plot on a pedestal, but don't realise that it's the easiest of any plot elements a writer can come up with. Four things can and one of it WILL happen:

#1: Jason loses his powers
#2: Jason gets killed
#2: Jason becomes Superman's successor
#3: Jason or Superman turn evil and fight each other

Sorry Singerboys, there's ZERO difference to the stereotypical "Hero vs Villain" plot!

No, wait! The latter is the one used in the comics and therefore also used in good comicbook adaptations. It's usually done that way to entertain the viewers! -->

Shocking, I know.

But why would anyone go with that outdone plot in a superhero movie instead of "totally new and never seen before --> Days of our Lives: Redux"!???

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