Sequels The Official Kevin Spacey As Lex Luthor Thread

[manofsteel4life]

trust me no Zod will be in this.....he's already hinted he wanted to bring a villain in the sequel that hasnt been seen before....and it aint Zod

 

[superbaby]

trust me no Zod will be in this.....he's already hinted he wanted to bring a villain in the sequel that hasnt been seen before....and it aint Zod

prove it. t:

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Singer is not a bad director. He should know what needs to be done to improve upon for the sequel to be kick a$$. X2 was a better overall film than the first and the ending with Jean dying had something to do with it. Same with Wrath of Khan.....with Spock dying heroically in the end....just made Wrath of Khan that much better because of the shock, drama and emotion.

I firmly believe that in the sequel to Returns.....Singer knows what to do to improve. I also believe that the sequel should not have a "happy" type of ending. Someone needs to be killed off in a tragic and heroic way other than Supes or Richard. The main candidate would be Jason IMO and if it is him....he needs to die heroically.

I agreed with everything up until this point, Jason is not gonna be killed off, no matter how much people wish it.

 

[Qwerty©]

I'm very sceptical about Singer...he seems bent on -reviving Donner's vision and completely ignoring the comics...

No, he doesn't. That's something whiney fanboys have made up and repeated so often that they themselves believe it to be true. There is no real indication that is Bryan Singer's ultimate goal. SR itself was about moving away from the Donner movies.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

No, he doesn't. That's something whiney fanboys have made up and repeated so often that they themselves believe it to be true. There is no real indication that is Bryan Singer's ultimate goal. SR itself was about moving away from the Donner movies.

The question is why did he use 200mil to move away from the Donnerverse? Seems like a huge waste of time and money to me..and to alot of other people judging by it's boxoffice and WB's seeming warriness about making a sequel. (I do think their is a 90% chance they are going to make a Singer sequel BTW)

Why couldn't have he just made his own version of Supes as the first film? Why is it his job to give Donners series a sendoff?
Answer, because I don't think that the sendoff idea is true, I just think that he was so obsessively in love with Donners movie that he just didn't think that he'd been able to make something as "good" if he didn't just copy his universe 85%. It's funny, I hated the fact that the X- movies seemed nothing like the X-Men from the comics and cartoons because he thought changing everything to his (pathetic IMHO) ideas was the only way to go with the "silly" primise and I hate the fact that he couldn't get over Donner's Superman enough to make a Superman movie of his own. The man just doesn't know what a middle ground is, in my opinion.

 

[Showtime]

The question is why did he use 200mil to move away from the Donnerverse? Seems like a huge waste of time and money to me..and to alot of other people judging by it's boxoffice and WB's seeming warriness about making a sequel. (I do think their is a 90% chance they are going to make a Singer sequel BTW)

Why couldn't have he just made his own version of Supes as the first film? Why is it his job to give Donners series a sendoff?
Answer, because I don't think that the sendoff idea is true, I just think that he was so obsessively in love with Donners movie that he just didn't think that he'd been able to make something as "good" if he didn't just copy his universe 85%. It's funny, I hated the fact that the X- movies seemed nothing like the X-Men from the comics and cartoons because he thought changing everything to his (pathetic IMHO) ideas was the only way to go with the "silly" primise and I hate the fact that he couldn't get over Donner's Superman enough to make a Superman movie of his own. The man just doesn't know what a middle ground is, in my opinion.

That is the big question. Was this an intentional funeral for the Donner Universe and a tribute to Christopher Reeve as Superman, or was that an afterthought created by fans and Singer used Donner as a lifeboat to guide him through the 1st movie assuming there would be two or three more movies easily?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

That is the big question. Was this an intentional funeral for the Donner Universe and a tribute to Christopher Reeve as Superman, or was that an afterthought created by fans and Singer used Donner as a lifeboat to guide him through the 1st movie assuming there would be two or three more movies easily?

If Singer spent a year of his life on a 200milion dollar sendoff to another directors work I will lose the tiny bit of respect I have for him and the WB, because that is just...stupid as hell. Really really stupid. Donner didn't need a sendoff, he already had his chance it was time to move on.

 

[Showtime]

If Singer spent a year of his life on a 200milion dollar sendoff to another directors work I will lose the tiny bit of respect I have for him and the WB, because that is just...stupid as hell. Really really stupid. Donner didn't need a sendoff, he already had his chance it was time to move on.

I personally think he was using Donner as source material, nothing more and nothing less. Instead of using storylines from the comics he used the Donner Universe as the continuing arc for Returns and only included elements from the comics. I think it became a sendoff to Donner and Christopher Reeve at the same time. I think the problem was that WB and Singer thought this is what the all the movie goers wanted.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

The question is why did he use 200mil to move away from the Donnerverse? Seems like a huge waste of time and money to me..and to alot of other people judging by it's boxoffice and WB's seeming warriness about making a sequel. (I do think their is a 90% chance they are going to make a Singer sequel BTW)

Why couldn't have he just made his own version of Supes as the first film? Why is it his job to give Donners series a sendoff?
Answer, because I don't think that the sendoff idea is true, I just think that he was so obsessively in love with Donners movie that he just didn't think that he'd been able to make something as "good" if he didn't just copy his universe 85%. It's funny, I hated the fact that the X- movies seemed nothing like the X-Men from the comics and cartoons because he thought changing everything to his (pathetic IMHO) ideas was the only way to go with the "silly" primise and I hate the fact that he couldn't get over Donner's Superman enough to make a Superman movie of his own. The man just doesn't know what a middle ground is, in my opinion.

He didnt do his own movie because if he didnt, just as many people would still be complaing about how he never acknowledged Donner/Reeve.

I personally think he was using Donner as source material, nothing more and nothing less. Instead of using storylines from the comics he used the Donner Universe as the continuing arc for Returns and only included elements from the comics. I think it became a sendoff to Donner and Christopher Reeve at the same time. I think the problem was that WB and Singer thought this is what the all the movie goers wanted.

I agree to an extent, but, and i hate saying this, once Reeve died, i feel Singer felt he had to pay tribute to him and Donner, moreso than he might have planned to IMO. And, also IMO, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[X-Maniac]

I hope we don't get too much Spacey in the sequel. Spacey is too expensive and was too over-the-top. Hackman was the original, somewhat camp Lex; Michael Rosenbaum has been able to provide a solid Lex over six seasons (almost 200 episodes) of a TV show. I'm really not looking forward to more of Lex. Even on Smallville, it got tiring after a while, hence Brainiac and other characters being a welcome break.

 

[Dark Knight]

I agreed with everything up until this point, Jason is not gonna be killed off, no matter how much people wish it.

The thing is...what would be the point of keeping him alive. I mean what was the point to having Superman have a child? Will he become Superboy or something?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They could do anything they want with him. In the FF comics, Franklin's been 8 years old for years. They could change the child actor out after the second movie to maintain the age they want if they want a third and fourth movie.

 

[GhostPoet]

Way I figure it...Singer probably thought by pigging backing off of Donner's material, that it would be a sure-fire success...rather than taking the less unsafe route of making something up himself.

Honestly...if he had used the comic source material ONLY...we would have had an incredible film....one that had...you know...something I like to call "action" instead of a Superman trying to get in touch with his femine-side.

Ok, that was harsh...but dang, I felt so let down...waiting all this time to see Superman back in action...and then just to see him lift stuff up a few times. tada. that's it.

 

[manofsteel4life]

They could do anything they want with him. In the FF comics, Franklin's been 8 years old for years. They could change the child actor out after the second movie to maintain the age they want if they want a third and fourth movie.

people just dont seem to realize the possiblities that available here

 

[Grinder]

Yay, little Superbrat saving daddy's a$$ from a beatdown?

---> WICKED COOL!!!!



*urgh*

 

[TaintedBlood]

i still give props to singer for adding the kid... it separates the franchise from all other superhero movies... it took a lot of balls and has a ton of potential... if singer does step down from the director's chair, most of hollywood's writers & directors will be foaming at the mouth at the opportunity... contrary to what most of you seem to think, they won't want to reboot the series and tell an origin story. That has been done... and done... and done.... nothing new can be added to a superhero origin story... that's why McG and Abrams were so desperately changing Superman's origin.



AND it won't be Superboy

 

[Showtime]

I agree to an extent, but, and i hate saying this, once Reeve died, i feel Singer felt he had to pay tribute to him and Donner, moreso than he might have planned to IMO. And, also IMO, there is nothing wrong with that.

I think that might have been the case, not just Singer but WB as well. Problem is that it didn't resonate with the general audience as much as they thought it would.

 

[Dark Knight]

Yay, little Superbrat saving daddy's a$$ from a beatdown?

---> WICKED COOL!!!!



*urgh*

Nah....I think something can be written with much more um....creativity.

 

[superbaby]

i still give props to singer for adding the kid... it separates the franchise from all other superhero movies... it took a lot of balls and has a ton of potential... if singer does step down from the director's chair, most of hollywood's writers & directors will be foaming at the mouth at the opportunity... contrary to what most of you seem to think, they won't want to reboot the series and tell an origin story. That has been done... and done... and done.... nothing new can be added to a superhero origin story... that's why McG and Abrams were so desperately changing Superman's origin.



AND it won't be Superboy

most importantly, he brought the superman movie franchise back to square one.

 

[terry78]

i still give props to singer for adding the kid... it separates the franchise from all other superhero movies... it took a lot of balls and has a ton of potential... if singer does step down from the director's chair, most of hollywood's writers & directors will be foaming at the mouth at the opportunity... contrary to what most of you seem to think, they won't want to reboot the series and tell an origin story. That has been done... and done... and done.... nothing new can be added to a superhero origin story... that's why McG and Abrams were so desperately changing Superman's origin.



AND it won't be Superboy

Usually adding a kid to a franchise is the most cliche thing you can do. I personally am not a fan of what Singer did, but whatever. Gotta deal now.

 

[mego joe]

He didnt do his own movie because if he didnt, just as many people would still be complaing about how he never acknowledged Donner/Reeve.

THere's a big difference between acknowledging something and writing yourself into the history of it. And I think far fewer people would have complained as you suggest.

I agree to an extent, but, and i hate saying this, once Reeve died, i feel Singer felt he had to pay tribute to him and Donner, moreso than he might have planned to IMO. And, also IMO, there is nothing wrong with that.

Although there are those stories about SInger telling people about his ideas for "Superman III" years ago, so it seems he's always had this idea in his head in order for it to continue from the Donner films.

 

[mego joe]

They could do anything they want with him. In the FF comics, Franklin's been 8 years old for years. They could change the child actor out after the second movie to maintain the age they want if they want a third and fourth movie.

But what's the point? How does he add to the story if he doesn't change and grow if he's just in the background as a kid like a piece of furniture?

 

[macchawkins]

Lex Luthor by Spacey again? why???

 

[mego joe]

people just dont seem to realize the possiblities that available here

I think the problem is that people are realizing the possibilities and none of them really feel like the material for a good Superman story.

 

[superbaby]

I think the problem is that people are realizing the possibilities and none of them really feel like the material for a good Superman story.

no. some thought that the melodrama of sr could be a very interesting storyline to be further developed in the sequel.