The Official Mass Effect Thread

[XtremelyBaneful]

yeah when I'm saying that it do't mean I'm dissing what your saying or anything like that . I'm just saying it was there in some form it was more like early stages. which what I meant with degree

yeah man I got you

 

[Iceman]

They're doing motion capture now.

 

[zenith16]

hmmm just found this old article fro EPN.TV

BioWare: Referring to the Next Mass Effect as Mass Effect 4 ‘is a Disservice’

BioWare doesn't want fans to refer to the next Mass Effect game as Mass Effect 4 because that would imply that it is a continuation of Commander Shepard's story. "To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to



^^More detail In the article there

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't agree with that, this is the next mass effect game. while shepard was a vital part of the story in the first 3 games, he didn't equate to the entire ME universe. Me4 is totally appropriate. but name it whatver the eff you want, bioware.

 

[Iceman]

I don't agree with that, this is the next mass effect game. while shepard was a vital part of the story in the first 3 games, he didn't equate to the entire ME universe. Me4 is totally appropriate. but name it whatver the eff you want, bioware.

Agreed. That's how a series works. The main protagonist can change from one phase of a series to the next. 1-3 are just the Shepard era of the long term Mass Effect legacy. More importantly Bioware, stop wasting time with unproductive crap like this and get back to work! t:

 

[TX85]

I see no problem with it being referred or titled as 4 either but if they want to call it Mass Effect:New Legecy or something then that's fine too but just focus on making a great game with a great story like the first three games

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Agreed. That's how a series works. The main protagonist can change from one phase of a series to the next. 1-3 are just the Shepard era of the long term Mass Effect legacy. More importantly Bioware, stop wasting time with unproductive crap like this and get back to work! t:

haha

i'm predicting that for halloween/thanksgiving/christmas they're gonna release a remastered trilogy and by q1/q2 next we will have Me4.

I see no problem with it being referred or titled as 4 either but if they want to call it Mass Effect:New Legecy or something then that's fine too but just focus on making a great game with a great story like the first three games

are they gonna just continue coming up with a new subtitle for every new installment though? i'm not gonna dig that unless they keep one for a while, like MW1/2/3 etc.

 

[Iceman]

What are the new CoD games gonna be called? New names each time?

And I hope ME4 comes out at summer 2016. That would be perfect for me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agreed. That's how a series works. The main protagonist can change from one phase of a series to the next. 1-3 are just the Shepard era of the long term Mass Effect legacy. More importantly Bioware, stop wasting time with unproductive crap like this and get back to work! t:

It is their series, and thus they would understand its structure better then us.

 

[Iceman]

It is their series, and thus they would understand its structure better then us.

They sure so but they're commenting on the implication of their previous titles to others which is what I don't agree with. I don't see any implication of a link to Shepard from a game called Mass Effect 4 once the Shepard story is done. The implication is that it's the next game in the Mass Effect world. Nothing wrong with calling it Mass Effect: The Barak Tor Von Diesel epic if they are so concerned with differentiating but I don't think Mass Effect 4 which happens to star Barak Tor Von Diesel is implying any more of a link to Shepard. Anything with the name Mass Effect, be it 4 or a completely new subtitle, will suggest that the Shepard story occurred in the same universe at some stage and that's all.

If the Star War films continue for decades, eventually they will no longer be about Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. But even future spinoffs will be deemed to be in the same universe while the series retains the Star Wars title, no matter how far removed, with those old legends floating about (even if never mentioned).

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It is their series, and thus they would understand its structure better then us.

just because it is their series doesn't mean everything they say is with merit. i agree with iceman.

the ME series is the exemplar franchise for making bad decisions like this.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They sure so but they're commenting on the implication of their previous titles to others which is what I don't agree with. I don't see any implication of a link to Shepard from a game called Mass Effect 4 once the Shepard story is done. The implication is that it's the next game in the Mass Effect world. Nothing wrong with calling it Mass Effect: The Barak Tor Von Diesel epic if they are so concerned with differentiating but I don't think Mass Effect 4 which happens to star Barak Tor Von Diesel is implying any more of a link to Shepard. Anything with the name Mass Effect, be it 4 or a completely new subtitle, will suggest that the Shepard story occurred in the same universe at some stage and that's all.

If the Star War films continue for decades, eventually they will no longer be about Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader. But even future spinoffs will be deemed to be in the same universe while the series retains the Star Wars title, no matter how far removed, with those old legends floating about (even if never mentioned).

Star Wars is actually the perfect example. The Star Wars main series, the ones with the episode numbers, are all about the Skywalkers. Anakin, Luke, Leia and now most likely some offspring. Now they are making "spinoffs" and guess what, no episode numbers. Star Wars: Rogue One won't have an episode title in its crawl. The Force Awakens will. That is how you differentiate.

The first 3 Mass Effect games were Shepard's story. It was all about that character, too the point that Shepard became Space Jesus. This is no different then Halo 4 coming after two more Halo games after Halo 3. Reach and ODST were not apart of MC's story, and thus did not warrant a number.

just because it is their series doesn't mean everything they say is with merit. i agree with iceman.

the ME series is the exemplar franchise for making bad decisions like this.

Except they are right on the money here imo.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Except they are right on the money here imo.

I already said I disagree so no, I don't think they are right on the money here. the MEverse is beyond just shepad, while the first 3 games were his story, the ME story doesn't end with him so Me4 is totally appropriate. I don't care that much what they name it but they're reasoning for not naming it Me4 is stupid.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I already said I disagree so no, I don't think they are right on the money here. the MEverse is beyond just shepad, while the first 3 games were his story, the ME story doesn't end with him so Me4 is totally appropriate. I don't care that much what they name it but they're reasoning for not naming it Me4 is stupid.

And you base this on what? Because all there has been from the ME video game universe is Shepard. You say it is beyond him/her, but based on what? Also they are talking about the original series, not what they do after. So if they expand, they feel it appropriate to perhaps name it something else.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

And you base this on what? Because all there has been from the ME video game universe is Shepard. You say it is beyond him/her, but based on what? Also they are talking about the original series, not what they do after. So if they expand, they feel it appropriate to perhaps name it something else.

come on. I shouldn't have to explain this. based on the lore and the games themselves. the story of the first three games revolved around shepard handling trouble within the universe which amounted to the reaper war, but there's obviously much more to the MEverse than just that...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

come on. I shouldn't have to explain this. based on the lore and the games themselves. the story of the first three games revolved around shepard handling trouble within the universe which amounted to the reaper war, but there's obviously much more to the MEverse than just that...

The first three games were not about Shepard dealing with something, they were about Shepard. How he/she shaped and saved the galaxy. The fundamental idea of Mass Effect is the characters, and specifically how you craft your Shepard and his or hers relationships. Hence all the romance and hours upon hours of conversations that have nothing to do with the plot. It is all about Shepard.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The first three games were not about Shepard dealing with something, they were about Shepard. How he/she shaped and saved the galaxy. The fundamental idea of Mass Effect is the characters, and specifically how you craft your Shepard and his or hers relationships. Hence all the romance and hours upon hours of conversations that have nothing to do with the plot. It is all about Shepard.

by that logic, the whole series needs to be renamed because 'mass effect' is not appropriate going forward without Shepard and whatever protagonist will be present, will present much less vitality than Shepard did when he was the protagonist.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

by that logic, the whole series needs to be renamed because 'mass effect' is not appropriate going forward without Shepard and whatever protagonist will be present, will present much less vitality than Shepard did when he was the protagonist.

Did Detective Comics and Action Comics need to be renamed as well? Hellblazer went on for 300 issues without needing to renamed. It was always the story of John Constantine. How about Uncharted, do you think they should rename Uncharted? The story of Nathan Drake? How about Halo?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Did Detective Comics and Action Comics need to be renamed as well? Hellblazer went on for 300 issues without needing to renamed. It was always the story of John Constantine. How about Uncharted, do you think they should rename Uncharted? The story of Nathan Drake? How about Halo?

how much did grand theft auto 5 have to do with 3 and 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 4 have to do with 3 and 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 3 have to do with 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 2 have to do with 1? how much did persona 3 have to do with 2?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

how much did grand theft auto 5 have to do with 3 and 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 4 have to do with 3 and 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 3 have to do with 2 and 1? how much did grand theft auto 2 have to do with 1? how much did persona 3 have to do with 2?

Those have and always will be anthology series. The first 3 Mass Effect games clearly were not. Jesus, it is lie you are trying not to get it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Those have and always will be anthology series. The first 3 Mass Effect games clearly were not. Jesus, it is lie you are trying not to get it.

this is the 3rd time this has happened between you and me. and for the 3rd time i'll say again: you made your point. trust me, I get it. I simply do not agree that Me4 is not an appropriate title to give the next installment, for reasons I've already stated. and it wasn't just about how the MEverse is limited to shepard's story.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

this is the 3rd time this has happened between you and me. and for the 3rd time i'll say again: you made your point. trust me, I get it. I simply do not agree that Me4 is not an appropriate title to give the next installment, for reasons I've already stated. and it wasn't just about how the MEverse is limited to shepard's story.

That would be because you have decided that even presented with clear logic, you are going to disagree. You can say you disagree with the existence of gravity as well. Doesn't make it any less true. And yes, up to this point the Mass Effect universe is limited to Shepard's story. That is why they want to separate it. Just like Halo. It is not difficult, nor is their reasoning flawed. It makes perfect sense.

Just ask yourself one simple question. Is ODST, Reach or Halo 4, Halo 4? Yep.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That would be because you have decided that even presented with clear logic, you are going to disagree. You can say you disagree with the existence of gravity as well. Doesn't make it any less true. And yes, up to this point the Mass Effect universe is limited to Shepard's story. That is why they want to separate it. Just like Halo. It is not difficult, nor is their reasoning flawed. It makes perfect sense.

I could say the same exact thing about you. I don't care how you choose to view it, but I've presented you with clear logic and do not agree with the message bioware is trying to give in titling the next mass effect game. as someone who's played all the games, I don't view the first 3 games ultimately as a story about shepard, more so as shepard's story in this much broader story being told. moreover, once again, saying that giving the next mass effect game a 4 in title is a disservice is saying that whatever protagonist will be presented in it however long they will stick around will be of less vitality to the universe than shepard.

Just ask yourself one simple question. Is ODST, Reach or Halo 4, Halo 4? Yep.

Ask yourself one simple question. Since it seems pretty much that they are distancing themselves from shepard and shepard is not going to be in the ME story anymore, will every major installment be viewed as a spiniff, and/or with a subtitle be of lesser importance, and therefore not even be a major installment?

what's especially puzzling to me is that it's not like i am forcing my opinion onto others or spreading misinformation. not to mention, others here have stated that it wouldn't be a big deal to have the game titled Me4. yet you're here trying to convince me that i'm wrong, and i don't think either one of us has to be wrong as it is once again, somewhat subjective i.e you made a case for it, for which i have my own train of thought for thinking about this differently.

but right now the only thing i'm getting out of this, is you buying into bioware's statements and defending anything said against what they say.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I could say the same exact thing about you. I don't care how you choose to view it, but I've presented you with clear logic and do not agree with the message bioware is trying to give in titling the next mass effect game. as someone who's played all the games, I don't view the first 3 games ultimately as a story about shepard, more so as shepard's story in this much broader story being told. moreover, once again, saying that giving the next mass effect game a 4 in title is a disservice is saying that whatever protagonist will be presented in it however long they will stick around will be of less vitality to the universe than shepard.
Ask yourself one simple question. Since it seems pretty much that they are distancing themselves from shepard and shepard is not going to be in the ME story anymore, will every major installment be viewed as a spiniff, and/or with a subtitle be of lesser importance, and therefore not even be a major installment?

Your logic is flawed. That is the point. It is also clearly why you avoided answering my question. Don't worry though, I will answer yours.

This isn't really debatable, because the structure of how stories are grouped is age old. Anthologies, series, serials, etc. The structures are defined and easy to understand. It is no different if it is classic mythology, or micro-series on Youtube. Star Wars is again a perfect example, as the original film structure was based around individual titles of films, that would still be grouped together in a series. But as the structure of the series and movies changed, it gave birth to the episode numbers, and now the subtitles have returned to prominence, above the episode titles. And even then, the main series will always be divided up. OT, Prequels, ST.

There is also no reason to consider any Mass Effect game without a number title to be a spinoff. Inquisition a spin off of Origins? No. It is simply the next game in the series. Say for example the next game is labelled "Mass Effect: Not Shepard's Story". This structure gives them options to go back and say make Mass Effect 4, something involving Shepard. It allows them to make "Mass Effect: Not Shepard's Story 2". And finally, if that story is finished up in one game, they can start a whole new story in the next game.

what's especially puzzling to me is that it's not like i am forcing my opinion onto others or spreading misinformation. not to mention, others here have stated that it wouldn't be a big deal to have the game titled Me4. yet you're here trying to convince me that i'm wrong, and i don't think either one of us has to be wrong as it is once again, somewhat subjective i.e you made a case for it, for which i have my own train of thought for thinking about this differently.

but right now the only thing i'm getting out of this, is you buying into bioware's statements and defending anything said against what they say.

Why would I buy anything from Bioware? I am the one dubious about their output since Mass Effect and Origins. I have no reason to defend them. What bothers me is claiming what they are doing is stupid and illogical, as if it makes no sense. That is clearly wrong. Could they label the next Mass Effect game, Mass Effect 4? Yes. But if they don't, there is a clear and well obvious logic to it.

The Mass Effect Trilogy is Shepard's story. They sold it that way and that is the way it played out. It is so clear why they probably don't want "Mass Effect 4". Because it implies something that isn't going to happen.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Your logic is flawed. That is the point. It is also clearly why you avoided answering my question. Don't worry though, I will answer yours.

This isn't really debatable, because the structure of how stories are grouped is age old. Anthologies, series, serials, etc. The structures are defined and easy to understand. It is no different if it is classic mythology, or micro-series on Youtube. Star Wars is again a perfect example, as the original film structure was based around individual titles of films, that would still be grouped together in a series. But as the structure of the series and movies changed, it gave birth to the episode numbers, and now the subtitles have returned to prominence, above the episode titles. And even then, the main series will always be divided up. OT, Prequels, ST.

There is also no reason to consider any Mass Effect game without a number title to be a spinoff. Inquisition a spin off of Origins? No. It is simply the next game in the series. Say for example the next game is labelled "Mass Effect: Not Shepard's Story". This structure gives them options to go back and say make Mass Effect 4, something involving Shepard. It allows them to make "Mass Effect: Not Shepard's Story 2". And finally, if that story is finished up in one game, they can start a whole new story in the next game.

To you it is flawed, to me there's no need to give the next ME game a subtitle for being under the ideal that it would be a disservice to shepard giving it a number.

I didn't avoid your question. Once again, I saw the point you were making, and I simply disagree! All famous franchises work differently. One can't always be used as a perfect example to explain the works/mechanics of another. I appreciate you giving a brief explanation of star wars but it doesn't change anything. Not here, anyway.

some franchises, like for instance the one you mentioned, dragon age, also made by bioware, never had numbers in the title, iirc. ME always did. so again, here it's not the same. However, usually at this point in time (after a trilogy I suppose) when a franchise releases a title without a numerical title, the upcoming installment is seen as a spinoff, or a prequel, or just a derivative game of sorts. That much is true here, or the latter is at least since shepard won't be a part of it.

But what's not true (what I don't agree with you/bioware) is that still giving it the name Me4 is not a disservice to the protagonist of the first 3 games. They can do it if they want or not, either way nothing is wrong the naming; it is after all the fourth mass effect game, they can very well name it that and it wouldn't be inappropriate, period. I already said before that I'd appreciate if they do something like mass effect: subtitle, mass effect: same subtitle 2, and then 3 etc. Again, giving each and every new game from here on out makes it seem like whatever protagonist they intend to have stick around of less vitality than shepard had to his games.

Why would I buy anything from Bioware? I am the one dubious about their output since Mass Effect and Origins. I have no reason to defend them. What bothers me is claiming what they are doing is stupid and illogical, as if it makes no sense. That is clearly wrong. Could they label the next Mass Effect game, Mass Effect 4? Yes. But if they don't, there is a clear and well obvious logic to it.

The Mass Effect Trilogy is Shepard's story. They sold it that way and that is the way it played out. It is so clear why they probably don't want "Mass Effect 4". Because it implies something that isn't going to happen.

To you, it is wrong to disagree with them, calling them stupid & illogical (not sure if I even used those exact words!). But that doesn't mean only you (or even bioware) have the right answer here. I'm not saying you have to be wrong about all this, I'm saying you can't convince me I'm wrong for going against agreeing with what bioware stated about their Me4 naming. And once more, others here have stated it wouldn't be a big deal to them for bioware to name it Me4 as well, with a story away from shepard's. and i'm sure there are tons of others who wouldn't mind it either. it's not an isolated thought.

If your last two statements were true, all they'd have to do is say the new game is Me4 and also state "shepard is not a part of this." They wouldn't be breaking any rules or laws by doing that, perhaps a few hearts though. But how many more hearts can they break after Me3's ending? Most have moved on I'd presume at this point.