The Official Mass Effect Thread

[XtremelyBaneful]

Yeah, I'm noticing that lol. MP? Eh, never understood why the large majority of the fan base loved it so much, it's just a cheap horde mode IMO.

I didn't love it but it was cool getting to play as a different species, not as the protagonist, and it was any easy way to up your ems.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

but they're not supposed to be just machines. the starchild at the end of Me3 just explains it as if he is an all knowing being with the end answers you're looking for but really that was a bad ass cover up for a horrible explanation to an end means an ending to the game, and the trilogy.

It doesn't matter if they're machines or not, the point is, they've been controlled by the intelligence made by the Leviathans since forever, he's the leader, what's so illogical about it? The Catalyst has centuries and centuries of experience, organics and synthetics are always in conflict, but who stopped that pattern was Shepard, that's why the Catalyst said that his solution won't work anymore, Shepard changed the variables, and now it's up to him to decide what comes next.

Take RoboCop as an example, he's a machine and an organic at the same time, and he can still be controlled by the programmers if desired.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It doesn't matter if they're machines or not, the point is, they've been controlled by the intelligence made by the Leviathans since forever, he's the leader, what's so illogical about it? The Catalyst has centuries and centuries of experience, organics and synthetics are always in conflict, but who stopped that pattern was Shepard, that's why the Catalyst said that his solution won't work anymore, Shepard changed the variables, and now it's up to him to decide what comes next.

Take RoboCop as an example, he's a machine and an organic at the same time, and he can still be controlled by the programmers if desired.

when shepard asks the starchild if he is an AI, he responds "in as much as you are just an animal." it's stupid, pathetic logic that is nonsensical and tries to make it sound more sound than it is because starchild was made out to be this entity that has all the answers. the leviathans created it, and the reapers, and gave it purpose by having the reapers kill everything 50k years.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

when shepard asks the starchild if he is an AI, he responds "in as much as you are just an animal." it's stupid, pathetic logic that is nonsensical and tries to make it sound more sound than it is because starchild was made out to be this entity that has all the answers. the leviathans created it, and the reapers, and gave it purpose by having the reapers kill everything 50k years.

Well, you aren't giving me arguments against mines, but just ranting about it. So, okay.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Well, you aren't giving me arguments against mines, but just ranting about it. So, okay.

I'm saying the "logic" that they created to make this story work, is stupid. there was the leviathan, and they created the starchild and the reapers to give the starchild purpose. what purpose? to kill everybody 50K years to save them from being killed from synthetics?

that is really stupid, but if the game ended that way then fine. the final nail in the coffin for me was how there was no post ending gameplay. there was the extended cut, but you could never continue playing the game and talking to people about the outcome of the ending like you could in Me2 and presumably Me1.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I'm saying the "logic" that they created to make this story work, is stupid. there was the leviathan, and they created the starchild and the reapers to give the starchild purpose. what purpose? to kill everybody 50K years to save them from being killed from synthetics?

that is really stupid, but if the game ended that way then fine. the final nail in the coffin for me was how there was no post ending gameplay. there was the extended cut, but you could never continue playing the game and talking to people about the outcome of the ending like you could in Me2 and presumably Me1.

The porpuse of achieving peace between organics and synthetics, find a solution, and the only one that really worked out was killing every apex civilizations out there in the galaxy, leaving only the younger ones alone. Why? Because the synthetics are always going to evolve more than the organics who then are going to see them as a threat (Quarians vs Geth), war is inevitable, and synthetics can wipe out every other organic life in the galaxy, advanced or not, they're stronger, smarter and fearless, so the Reapers are sort of the "Reboot" of the galaxy, they stop the conflict and then let new life arise again, it's an infinite cycle, a problem, and the solution to that is the extinction of those advanced species. The other one, by the Catalyst's view, is Synthesis, but he said that it's not something that can be forced by him, but an organic. Still, it's a forced peace, and a disgusting option IMO.

 

[Iceman]

word, and I'm guessing that's episode 1?
definitely not for me. Me2 is way above Me3 and no dlc should have to help sway from the base game.

Me2 is one of the greatest games of all time, and often goes back and forth with me for my favorite game ever between it and Uc2. I've been leaning towards Uc2 lately.

Citadel DLC is definitely one of the greatest DLCs of all time. I've not found anyone yet who doesn't say the same. I know how you like your GOATs. Now you're missing one! t:

Seriously remember how good the ME2 ending was from a gameplay standpoint? You get to play with your whole squad and everyone is on the mic during Citadel.

And they're not having a party for the hell of it. The Normandy is supposed to be broken with everyone on shore leave till it gets fixed. I guess they should be praying or sitting respectfully in silence or whatever and maybe if you're that much of a role player you should do exactly that during it. t: If you really can't enjoy it as a part of the campaign just play it as a what if alternative reality sub-game afterwards separate from ME3 like some DLCs for other games are.

 

[James]

It's true, the Normandy is ordered for mandatory repair because in it's current state it won't be able to handle the final battle(s). It was good enough reason for me to accept it, and I ended up loving Citadel.

*That said* I can certainly appreciate the need for urgency, but that was a common theme throughout all three games. Why stop and deal with this silly side mission or help this random jerk when you have infinitely more important things you should be doing? It's a fair point, but I found it much more helpful to not focus on it and just enjoy the game for what it is.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Well, to be fair, Lair Of The Shadow Broker could be done with the Collector threat still active, but then again, it's a good DLC, like the Citadel.

 

[James]

I didn't say every side mission shouldn't be done. But logically there were a lot of smaller quests that Shepard really had no place getting involved with given his or her main objective. It was just much more enjoyable, for me anyway, to toss that logic out the window and soak up the adventure.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I didn't say every side mission shouldn't be done. But logically there were a lot of smaller quests that Shepard really had no place getting involved with given his or her main objective. It was just much more enjoyable, for me anyway, to toss that logic out the window and soak up the adventure.

I wasn't specifically replying to your post, but to the whole "Stopping for break with everything going on" argument, even if there was a logical reason behind it.

 

[James]

Oh I see!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The porpuse of achieving peace between organics and synthetics, find a solution, and the only one that really worked out was killing every apex civilizations out there in the galaxy, leaving only the younger ones alone. Why? Because the synthetics are always going to evolve more than the organics who then are going to see them as a threat (Quarians vs Geth), war is inevitable, and synthetics can wipe out every other organic life in the galaxy, advanced or not, they're stronger, smarter and fearless, so the Reapers are sort of the "Reboot" of the galaxy, they stop the conflict and then let new life arise again, it's an infinite cycle, a problem, and the solution to that is the extinction of those advanced species. The other one, by the Catalyst's view, is Synthesis, but he said that it's not something that can be forced by him, but an organic. Still, it's a forced peace, and a disgusting option IMO.

killing all organics to save them from being killed by synthetics they make is not a good reason to create synthetics to kill all organics. if anything, why not just create those synthetics to destroy the synthetics and then warn the organics of the dangers of creating synthetics? killing the organics is obviously wrong, and evil.

synthesis was pretty disgusting and even more disgusting that bioware was pushing it as the "perfect" choice out of the 3.

Citadel DLC is definitely one of the greatest DLCs of all time. I've not found anyone yet who doesn't say the same. I know how you like your GOATs. Now you're missing one! t:

Seriously remember how good the ME2 ending was from a gameplay standpoint? You get to play with your whole squad and everyone is on the mic during Citadel.

I do not doubt this man, I'm just saying I'm not gonna fumble plugging my Ps3 back in and starting another Me3 playthrough just to experience citadel, which I would have to buy. I am also not saying it ain't worth playing - if the remaster is real and includes the dlc, I will most certainly not ignore it. I'm not disagreeing with you here at all.

And they're not having a party for the hell of it. The Normandy is supposed to be broken with everyone on shore leave till it gets fixed. I guess they should be praying or sitting respectfully in silence or whatever and maybe if you're that much of a role player you should do exactly that during it. t: If you really can't enjoy it as a part of the campaign just play it as a what if alternative reality sub-game afterwards separate from ME3 like some DLCs for other games are.

I distinctly remember the trailer for citadel including anderson say "you need a place to chill and relax before you go up against the reapers..." so ya, of course they're gonna make some sort of setup like the normandy needing repairs so that partying makes sense, but again, if I were shepard I would've just said "put me on another ship. there's not time to lose or for partying right now. we'll do that once we've killed every last reaper."

 

[Iceman]

Well, to be fair, Lair Of The Shadow Broker could be done with the Collector threat still active, but then again, it's a good DLC, like the Citadel.

Another of my absolute favourites. Get the remaster done Bioware, I need an excuse to play through everything again!

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Because those synthetics had free will, you're basically murdering an organic who is defending itself against it's creators, it's not really their fault, and it's not fair.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Another of my absolute favourites. Get the remaster done Bioware, I need an excuse to play through everything again!

Blue Point Studious was recruiting developers to work in a highly acclaimed remaster of a trilogy of the past gen for the new consoles, there's HOPE.

 

[Iceman]

I do not doubt this man, I'm just saying I'm not gonna fumble plugging my Ps3 back in and starting another Me3 playthrough just to experience citadel, which I would have to buy. I am also not saying it ain't worth playing - if the remaster is real and includes the dlc, I will most certainly not ignore it. I'm not disagreeing with you here at all.

That's cool. I know you already said you'd play if there was a remaster and also you won't get full benefit by playing it out of the blue. It's better when a full playthrough of all the games is fresh in your mind. I would like a much bigger proportion of ME4 to be playable in the style of the ME2 ending and Citadel so you can experience more of your squad at the same time. Choose members and send your other squad(s) on missions while communicating with them.

I distinctly remember the trailer for citadel including anderson say "you need a place to chill and relax before you go up against the reapers..." so ya, of course they're gonna make some sort of setup like the normandy needing repairs so that partying makes sense, but again, if I were shepard I would've just said "put me on another ship. there's not time to lose or for partying right now. we'll do that once we've killed every last reaper."

A different ship?! My dad nearly murdered my original driving test instructor when he didn't turn up on my test day and I had to try it in a different car (which was about twice as big). Also recall from your in depth Star Wars knowledge, imagine Han Solo without the Millenium Falcon! t:

 

[Iceman]

Blue Point Studious was recruiting developers to work in a highly acclaimed remaster of a trilogy of the past gen for the new consoles, there's HOPE.

Great, hope there's something to it. Gears of War, Mass Effect, Uncharted and God of War remasters are the ones I'd really love. Skyrim too but then I'd rather they just did ESVI quicker as remastering Skyrim might be more effort than the others.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That's cool. I know you already said you'd play if there was a remaster and also you won't get full benefit by playing it out of the blue. It's better when a full playthrough of all the games is fresh in your mind.

word, yeah, I would think so.

I would like a much bigger proportion of ME4 to be playable in the style of the ME2 ending and Citadel so you can experience more of your squad at the same time. Choose members and send your other squad(s) on missions while communicating with them.

yeah, that sounds good to me man. we'll definitely get some Me4 goodies at E3 to hear what's going on with this goddamn game.

A different ship?! My dad nearly murdered my original driving test instructor when he didn't turn up on my test day and I had to try it in a different car (which was about twice as big). Also recall from your in depth Star Wars knowledge, imagine Han Solo without the Millenium Falcon! t:

I dunno who or what those things are man sorry.

but what's your dad almost killing a guy for not turning up on test day gotta do with being in a different vehicle other than your own? lol

 

[Thundercrack85]

Baneful, how are you into this series, but have no familiarity with Star Wars?

The good Star Wars movies, I mean.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Baneful, how are you into this series, but have no familiarity with Star Wars?

The good Star Wars movies, I mean.

good question, I don't know. Knowing me/myself/I, should be into something like star wars. I tried getting into it as a kid but it didn't work out.

It's not like I have no familiarity with star wars at all. it being a huge part of popular culture, it's hard to ignore everything about it, you know. I mentioned so of the things I knew about it above.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Great, hope there's something to it. Gears of War, Mass Effect, Uncharted and God of War remasters are the ones I'd really love. Skyrim too but then I'd rather they just did ESVI quicker as remastering Skyrim might be more effort than the others.

Well, not really a trilogy, at least for now, but the first Gears is now confirmed for the Xbox One t:

 

[Iceman]

word, yeah, I would think so.yeah, that sounds good to me man. we'll definitely get some Me4 goodies at E3 to hear what's going on with this goddamn game.
I dunno who or what those things are man sorry.

but what's your dad almost killing a guy for not turning up on test day gotta do with being in a different vehicle other than your own? lol

In other words a different ship (car in my case) is just not the same dude! Ask your buddy Han. Ask Wedge Antilles. Put Darth Vader and the Emperor in a different ship to the Death Star t: Just kidding around.

 

[Iceman]

Well, not really a trilogy, at least for now, but the first Gears is now confirmed for the Xbox One t:

Yes, heard that earlier today. Amazing news for me!

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Star Trek + Star Wars + Mass Effect is just the essential combo, ha!

Of course, there's Babyllon 5 and Firefly.