The Official Mass Effect Thread

[Thundercrack85]

I just hope they'll be a little more creative than Star Trek and not name every ship the Normandy.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I'm noticing that lol. MP? Eh, never understood why the large majority of the fan base loved it so much, it's just a cheap horde mode IMO.

Do you like co-op modes in general? I was a massive fan of Horde, particularly in the Gears 2 days, bu the ME mode gets really good once you start levelling up and playing with good guys on harder difficulties. I think I'll be playing that to death on ME4.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

In other words a different ship (car in my case) is just not the same dude! Ask your buddy Han. Ask Wedge Antilles. Put Darth Vader and the Emperor in a different ship to the Death Star t: Just kidding around.

lol, word. yeah but if I was shepard, I wouldn't stop myself from continuing my mission just because it would mean being on a ship other than mine.

 

[Iceman]

lol, word. yeah but if I was shepard, I wouldn't stop myself from continuing my mission just because it would mean being on a ship other than mine.

An inferior ship could get your whole crew killed if you get shot down due to lower speed, aerial agility, shields etc. And also put the whole fate of the galaxy into the balance! Sounds like my Shepard was a lot more responsible. t:

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

An inferior ship could get your whole crew killed if you get shot down due to lower speed, aerial agility, shields etc. And also put the whole fate of the galaxy into the balance! Sounds like my Shepard was a lot more responsible. t:

good point. but if the alliance is capable of building the crucible in like under a year, they should have several ships of normandy caliber at their disposal. only difference being that the normandy has reapertech on board.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Do you like co-op modes in general? I was a massive fan of Horde, particularly in the Gears 2 days, bu the ME mode gets really good once you start levelling up and playing with good guys on harder difficulties. I think I'll be playing that to death on ME4.

Good question, I do like, maybe I get bored too quickly. I spent a good amount of time in ME3's MP, maybe not the same amount of time as you (Very likely), I'm still amazed at people who are playing the MP since the game's release. The protect drone, recover artifacts and etc, gets old quickly IMO. I'll admit the MP is not bad, just not something I can be playing allll the time.

I just hope they'll be a little more creative than Star Trek and not name every ship the Normandy.

If the leak is proven to be true, they got that covered.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Because those synthetics had free will, you're basically murdering an organic who is defending itself against it's creators, it's not really their fault, and it's not fair.

which synthetics are we talking about here? and who is murdering who that is murdering self defense?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

good point. but if the alliance is capable of building the crucible in like under a year, they should have several ships of normandy caliber at their disposal. only difference being that the normandy has reapertech on board.

Months. There isn't a ship like the Normandy, it's just one, and the most efficient one. They have to take care of that baby well. The Crucible is one time only, it hasn't suffered damage like the Normandy did.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Months. There isn't a ship like the Normandy, it's just one, and the most efficient one. They have to take care of that baby well. The Crucible is one time only, it hasn't suffered damage like the Normandy did.

but if they can construct it in such short time, they should certainly be capable of having ships as powerful as the normandy as well.

 

[Iceman]

good point. but if the alliance is capable of building the crucible in like under a year, they should have several ships of normandy caliber at their disposal. only difference being that the normandy has reapertech on board.

It's also the 'home' ship that the crew know like the back of their hand. Using a new ship on the eve of battle seems crazy to me just beacuse they want to rush in. Anyway you got the point. Just different ways of explaining it. I reckon this new ME set of games will have far better endings, and hopefully regular instances of ME2 ending/Citadel type gameplay, and if they want to do DLCs like this in future do it where there is no controversy over timing so that everyone is happy.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

which synthetics are we talking about here? and who is murdering who that is murdering self defense?

Every single one, why do you think that synthetics are going to attack their creators? Because those creators perceived them as threat, every specie has a sense of self preservation, it's a natural thing. When someone attacks you, you attack back. Survival.

If you kill EDI, you're basically killing a living being. Got it?

 

[Iceman]

Good question, I do like, maybe I get bored too quickly. I spent a good amount of time in ME3's MP, maybe not the same amount of time as you (Very likely), I'm still amazed at people who are playing the MP since the game's release. The protect drone, recover artifacts and etc, gets old quickly IMO. I'll admit the MP is not bad, just not something I can be playing allll the time.

I spent a lot more time on G2 Horde but the ME3 MP was a very good basis for them to build on for ME4 and future games, and maybe they will improve it sufficiently to get borderline guys like you more interested.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

but if they can construct it in such short time, they should certainly be capable of having ships as powerful as the normandy as well.

No, they don't. The Crucible was a multi species collaboration. The Normandy was built by Cerberus who spent billions of credits on it, the Alliance wouldn't ever spent such amount of credits in one single ship again. One Admiral from ME1 said that you can build an entire fleet with the effort that was destined to the Normandy.

When you're at war, you need tons of weaponry, not a single ship.

 

[James]

It's also the 'home' ship that the crew know like the back of their hand. Using a new ship on the eve of battle seems crazy to me just beacuse they want to rush in. Anyway you got the point. Just different ways of explaining it. I reckon this new ME set of games will have far better endings, and hopefully regular instances of ME2 ending/Citadel type gameplay, and if they want to do DLCs like this in future do it where there is no controversy over timing so that everyone is happy.

Didn't one of the main guys who wrote the series leave? I don't tend to keep track with that sort of thing, but I seem to remember hearing that someone departed the Mass Effect team who may or may not have had final say over things like how ME3 ended.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It's also the 'home' ship that the crew know like the back of their hand. Using a new ship on the eve of battle seems crazy to me just beacuse they want to rush in. Anyway you got the point. Just different ways of explaining it.

it is not as if the normandy is even used for space battles. from what I remember in Me3, it used strictly for ftl travelling and plenty of other ships in that universe is capable of doing so.

I reckon this new ME set of games will have far better endings, and hopefully regular instances of ME2 ending/Citadel type gameplay, and if they want to do DLCs like this in future do it where there is no controversy over timing so that everyone is happy.

yeah, I'm sure they won't pull another deus ex rbg thing again with their ending, if it's going to be another backtobacktoback trilogy again.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I spent a lot more time on G2 Horde but the ME3 MP was a very good basis for them to build on for ME4 and future games, and maybe they will improve it sufficiently to get borderline guys like you more interested.

Here's hoping

 

[Iceman]

Didn't one of the main guys who wrote the series leave? I don't tend to keep track with that sort of thing, but I seem to remember hearing that someone departed the Mass Effect team who may or may not have had final say over things like how ME3 ended.

I remember hearing something like that but I didn't keep track of this stuff either. Others here might know.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I hope they kept the Babylon 5 DVD's.

Maybe we should send them the sequel to Revelation Space.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

No, they don't. The Crucible was a multi species collaboration. The Normandy was built by Cerberus who spent billions of credits on it, the Alliance wouldn't ever spent such amount of credits in one single ship again. One Admiral from ME1 said that you can build an entire fleet with the effort that was destined to the Normandy.

When you're at war, you need tons of weaponry, not a single ship.

i'll give you that, but from what I recall in Me3, the normandy wasn't vital for space battling or anything like that - it was just there for ftl traveling. so going back to the original point - if the setup of citadel was that shepard needed to take a break because the normandy was down, he could've/should've said "put me on another ship."

Every single one, why do you think that synthetics are going to attack their creators? Because those creators perceived them as threat, every specie has a sense of self preservation, it's a natural thing. When someone attacks you, you attack back. Survival.

these games and the starchild tries to get you to think that war between synthetics and organics is inevitable, and perhaps such a thing could happen but shepard was able to broker peace. starchild says the peace won't last, but he also implied shepard would die if he picked destroy - which is another contradiction because that is the only option that leaves the possibility of shepard surviving.

If you kill EDI, you're basically killing a living being. Got it?

edi was built with some reapertech so she's a different story, and if you mean that killing a synthetic means killing a living thing, then no, I don't agree. in fact, this was a dialogue option in Me3. I think edi herself on the normandy shows a simulation of geth integrity/intelligence, and shepard could either say "yes, with that much integration geth are living creatures" or you could say "no, I don't consider them living." and i go with renegade shepard.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Drew Karpyshin left. He co-wrote ME 1&2 with Mac Walters, who was the lead in ME3. But it was never because of an inside disagreement, in fact, I've never heard that.

 

[James]

Regarding whether or not Synthetics are living beings, I never considered them so. A robot's a robot as far as I'm concerned, no different than a toaster or a cellphone. It's why I don't bother with movies like the recent 'Chappie', because I know I won't care one way or the other what becomes of the titular character. EDI only meant anything to me (err, my Shepard) in so much as she held meaning to Joker. Legion was a tool I kept around so long as he proved useful, when it came to wiping out the Geth is wasn't even a question -destroy a bunch of killer toasters? No problemo.

Drew Karpyshin left. He co-wrote ME 1&2 with Mac Walters, who was the lead in ME3. But it was never because of an inside disagreement, in fact, I've never heard that.

I don't think anyone said it was? But that's interesting, I wonder if that Drew fellow had stuck around, would ME3 have ended the way it did?

 

[Andrew Lucas]

i'll give you that, but from what I recall in Me3, the normandy wasn't vital for space battling or anything like that - it was just there for ftl traveling. so going back to the original point - if the setup of citadel was that shepard needed to take a break because the normandy was down, he could've/should've said "put me on another ship."
these games and the starchild tries to get you to think that war between synthetics and organics is inevitable, and perhaps such a thing could happen but shepard was able to broker peace. starchild says the peace won't last, but he also implied shepard would die if he picked destroy - which is another contradiction because that is the only option that leaves the possibility of shepard surviving.edi was built with some reapertech so she's a different story, and if you mean that killing a synthetic means killing a living thing, then no, I don't agree. in fact, this was a dialogue option in Me3. I think edi herself on the normandy shows a simulation of geth integrity/intelligence, and shepard could either say "yes, with that much integration geth are living creatures" or you could say "no, I don't consider them living." and i go with renegade shepard.

Dude, without the Normandy, the majority of things that Shepard has done would never have been accomplished.

He's the commanding office of the Normandy, you can't just move him and the whole crew to other ship, this is the military we're talking about. There's regulations to follow, it's not simple.

The Geth have reaper code, they have free will. You're murdering a living being. Even EDI said at the FOB that she feels alive for the first time ever. A machine said that.

The Catalyst didn't want you to pick Destroy, that's obvious. But he wasn't lying about everything else, why would he? He's just doing his job. Heck, he gave you the option to stop the Reapers for once and for all.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Regarding whether or not Synthetics are living beings, I never considered them so. A robot's a robot as far as I'm concerned, no different than a toaster or a cellphone. It's why I don't bother with movies like the recent 'Chappie', because I know I won't care one way or the other what becomes of the titular character. EDI only meant anything to me (err, my Shepard) in so much as she held meaning to Joker. Legion was a tool I kept around so long as he proved useful, when it came to wiping out the Geth is wasn't even a question -destroy a bunch of killer toasters? No problemo.



I don't think anyone said it was? But that's interesting, I wonder if that Drew fellow had stuck around, would ME3 have ended the way it did?

Your monster

I think you meant this :

http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/...-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/

But Patrick never left Bioware, he wrote Tali in ME 2&3, and the whole Rannoch arc in ME3. He worked in DAI, and now he's the lead for the sequel.


Yep. Drew did said what he had in mind :

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-dropped-ideas-for-mass-effect-trilogy-ending

While it makes sense with the whole Collector's thing, Dark Energy Ending is worse IMO, makes humanity too much special, I had enough of that.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Dude, without the Normandy, the majority of things that Shepard has done would never have been accomplished.

He's the commanding office of the Normandy, you can't just move him and the whole crew to other ship, this is the military we're talking about. There's regulations to follow, it's not simple.

what is simple is that every single moment shepard was doing something other than progressively trying to tend to the war, people were dying. it's not like shepard if shepard went on another ship, he would continue using it even after he was given word that work on the normandy was complete.

The Geth have reaper code, they have free will. You're murdering a living being. Even EDI said at the FOB that she feels alive for the first time ever. A machine said that.

I disagree. living=being organic. if the geth, edi and whatever else are 100% living creatures, then they would have to be organic. if synthetics were "living" creatures, then the synthesis option would not be doing anything for them because they would already be alive.

The Catalyst didn't want you to pick Destroy, that's obvious. But he wasn't lying about everything else, why would he? He's just doing his job. Heck, he gave you the option to stop the Reapers for once and for all.

I was pointing out a plot hole. Me3 is full of those. starchild claims destroy destroys all synthetics, implies the inclusion of shepard, even though shepard can survive.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

what is simple is that every single moment shepard was doing something other than progressively trying to tend to the war, people were dying. it's not like shepard if shepard went on another ship, he would continue using it even after he was given word that work on the normandy was complete.

I disagree. living=being organic. if the geth, edi and whatever else are 100% living creatures, then they would have to be organic. if synthetics were "living" creatures, then the synthesis option would not be doing anything for them because they would already be alive.I was pointing out a plot hole. Me3 is full of those. starchild claims destroy destroys all synthetics, implies the inclusion of shepard, even though shepard can survive.

You can't take risks with the Normandy, it's essential for the war. Also, if you're saying that Shepard shouldn't be doing things that aren't related to the main plot, then you're contracting yourself, because the whole trilogy worked like that. You do what you want.

Not an offense to any of you guys by any means, but this is a short minded argument, at least in my view, let's drop it?

It's not a plot hole, my Shepard promised to Miranda that he would find her after the was over. If he died, the promise wouldn't be fulfilled, is that a plot hole?