Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[Showtime]

My contention was that the new Superman would spin off from JL, but who knows.

 

[AgentPat]

My opinion is that if Mike and Dan are gone, Singer is or will soon to follow and unfortunately it might be the end of Brandon as Superman.

Agreed.

Connect the dots folks. A new director coming on board a new Superman film - regardless of what it's called - is going to have his own "vision" and he's going to want to cast it his way. Reference George Miller and his teen JLA.

We also have the words of Greg I'm-so-confused Noveck, who just this past week saw fit to point out that each iteration of Superman needs to have a different actor in the tights so the audience won't be confused. Yeah, okay.

Regardless, I think it's safe to say that Singer's MOS is dead at this point, despite Warner's spin machine. They will be back to Square One shortly when it comes to decisions being made for solo Superman films and the future of the franchise in general. JMHO.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well, the variety article calls it a "sequel" but who knows. The one elemet the next Superman movie should have is Routh, at least, IMO.

 

[treeringralph]

I guess I just feel unsettled, and a bit sad. Until now, it's been fans saying, "Justice League is going to erase any possibility for MOS," and real WB sources intimately connected to the Superman franchise giving us news like, "the story idea is great, we're going ahead, JL has nothing to do with the Superman franchise." Though admittedly odd, I often found myself calmed by that latter sentiment. It seems JL news is all over the place, but MOS news, when we get it, seems solid in an "all systems are a go" kind of way.

Then this comes along. I'm not saying MOS won't get made, or that Singer won't return and with him Routh...I'm just saying I feel melancholy that the Superman Reeve established, the Superman FILM SERIES...is again, perhaps, in jeopardy.

I love you all. We're all Superman fans. I don't care what camp you're from, Love SR, Hate SR, Love Welling, Love Routh, Smallville Rules, Smallville Sucks, Reboot Please, SR2 Please...We all love Superman, and maybe he's in trouble.

We're the crowd outside of Metropolis General, nervously wandering around, waiting to hear the news... Is Superman Dead? Is Superman Alive? Is Superman Sick, or is he doing just fine, and he'll check in with us as soon as he's able?

I might be feeling a little over dramatic, but I feel queasy. The Superman I cheered about being preserved on our modern movie screens back the year before SR dropped is again in danger and there's nothing to do but wait and hear God knows what...New writers, new director, new actors?!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will.

Or...Harris and Dougherty are just ready to move from writers to directors, done taking orders, and are ready to give them. To call the shots. Maybe that's all that's happened.

I hope. That's what Superman is. Hope. And I hope that he returns to the screens. We need hope in our lives.

I'm sorry for rambling, but you all are my brothers and sister, despite whatever opinions we might have in conflict. You're the only ones who might understand.

-trr

Please speak in love towards one another. You're talking to different shades of yourself on these boards.

 

[Captain Clown]

YES!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

 

[super-t]

I guess I just feel unsettled, and a bit sad. Until now, it's been fans saying, "Justice League is going to erase any possibility for MOS," and real WB sources intimately connected to the Superman franchise giving us news like, "the story idea is great, we're going ahead, JL has nothing to do with the Superman franchise." Though admittedly odd, I often found myself calmed by that latter sentiment. It seems JL news is all over the place, but MOS news, when we get it, seems solid in an "all systems are a go" kind of way.

Then this comes along. I'm not saying MOS won't get made, or that Singer won't return and with him Routh...I'm just saying I feel melancholy that the Superman Reeve established, the Superman FILM SERIES...is again, perhaps, in jeopardy.

I love you all. We're all Superman fans. I don't care what camp you're from, Love SR, Hate SR, Love Welling, Love Routh, Smallville Rules, Smallville Sucks, Reboot Please, SR2 Please...We all love Superman, and maybe he's in trouble.

We're the crowd outside of Metropolis General, nervously wandering around, waiting to hear the news... Is Superman Dead? Is Superman Alive? Is Superman Sick, or is he doing just fine, and he'll check in with us as soon as he's able?

I might be feeling a little over dramatic, but I feel queasy. The Superman I cheered about being preserved on our modern movie screens back the year before SR dropped is again in danger and there's nothing to do but wait and hear God knows what...New writers, new director, new actors?!

It's been said before, but I'll say it again. Watch X-Men and then X2, people. SR is to X-men, and we may never see what SR's X2 could've been. If that doesn't make you sad, I don't know what will.

Or...Harris and Dougherty are just ready to move from writers to directors, done taking orders, and are ready to give them. To call the shots. Maybe that's all that's happened.

I hope. That's what Superman is. Hope. And I hope that he returns to the screens. We need hope in our lives.

I'm sorry for rambling, but you all are my brothers and sister, despite whatever opinions we might have in conflict. You're the only ones who might understand.

-trr

Please speak in love towards one another. You're talking to different shades of yourself on these boards.

AAA ****IN MEN!!!!

 

[SuperDaniel]

Its been said and i`ll say it again.

You dont know if SR2 would be like X2.

Singer had the experience of doing comic book movies, over 200 million dollars and all he could do to bring Superman back was SR wich was basically STM with a kid.

X-men are totally different from Superman. Marvel characters are totally different from DC.

Singer is a great director but just wasnt right for Superman, IMO.

I`m glad the writers are out. Maybe we`ll have some one who loves the mythollogy and is capable to do a better job.

Superman will live as a character.

It is strong enough to survive bad decisions, bad directors, kid, stalkers, giant spiders, Luthor from Krypton, etc etc

 

[FlawlessVictory]

YES!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwEMxYggoKQ

LOL.

Oh happy day!!! Thank the maker! Keep those two as far away from Superman as possible. They had their chance and blew it and blew it by a wide margin, IMHO. I agree with Showtime, I doubt Singer will continue this franchise without Harris and Dougherty, that is if there even is any interest from WB in wanting Singer to continue.

 

[ant3ros]

I share the same feelings as treeringralph. I think SR had a lot of potential and was no way a terrible movie. Even with the kid. (Boo hoo) I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad. Everyone wants to see the Superman they already know. I enjoyed Singer's Superman and thought it worked for the most part, especially as just a fresh start for the franchise. New writers doesn't necessarily mean a good or bad thing as long as the story connects if it is a sequel. I don't think the sequel should ignore any detail in SR. And, I hope Singer stays attached to make the transition to new writers smooth. MOS as a sequel shouldn't feel like a reboot.

 

[NotFadeAway]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

 

[Pickle-El]

I share the same feelings as treeringralph. I think SR had a lot of potential and was no way a terrible movie. Even with the kid. (Boo hoo) I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad. Everyone wants to see the Superman they already know. I enjoyed Singer's Superman and thought it worked for the most part, especially as just a fresh start for the franchise. New writers doesn't necessarily mean a good or bad thing as long as the story connects if it is a sequel. I don't think the sequel should ignore any detail in SR. And, I hope Singer stays attached to make the transition to new writers smooth. MOS as a sequel shouldn't feel like a reboot.

This is an excellent post. I feel the exact same way about this whole situation...I could have wrote this word for word.

 

[Lobster Charlie]

Thank the Lord! Even though X1 is passable and X2 pretty decent, the X-Men deserve a lot better than what they got, IMO. Same with Superman. Singer and his buddies are ill-equipped to handle something as big as Superman.

What was their version of Darkseid going to be? Lemme guess...he'd come to earth in a "human" form, wear a suit, bald head, and run some sort of evil corporation? And then we'd see his real form at the end of the film in a CGI-laden battle in Metropolis?

I mean, really--could Bryan Singer & Co. handle something the scale of APOKOLIPS? I seriously doubt it. They seem to want to make everything so "intimate" and fill our heroes with too many weaknesses, IMO.

 

[Gotham]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

Who the hell told you that he didn't know what LexCorp is?

 

[OobeDoobBenubi]

So now the WB will have to cast Superman for two different movies

 

[Robin91939]

X-men are TOTALLY different from Superman. Yes, he made a great X-men movie but he ****ed up Superman, IMO. Thats the way it is.

He is good with characters that are like him. Outsiders, etc. Good for Marvel characters.

THat is not Superman

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

-R

 

[Gotham]

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

-R

Quentin Tarantino had a fantastic analogy relating to that.

 

[Robin91939]

Quentin Tarantino had a fantastic analogy relating to that.

Sarcasm?

-R

 

[SuperDaniel]

Superman MIGHT be the ultimate outsider. However, all he does, everything he stands for is based on uplifiting feelings, hope, above all.

THE BEAUTY of the character is that in THe greatest tragedy that has every happened to HIM(tHE DESTRUCTION OF HIS WHOLE PLANET) what he got from that is an uplifiting feeling: He was saved by Jor-el and Lara`s sacrifice.

Singer in my opinion didnt GET the character at all. A lot of people dont. He got a part of it. And thats what we got with SR.

 

[Robin91939]

"Clark Kent is how Superman views us... Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."

I did not know that was a quote from him.

-R

 

[I Am The Knight]

Thank God....these two idiots were a big part of the problem that was SR. I doubt they pitched Darkseid to the studio, they probably don't even know who he is, just like Apt Pupil boy doesn't know what LexCorp is. The story sucked, the dialogue was awful, and well, there were no action scene's to speak of. Now lets get a real writing team in here to do some good work, shall we!!!

Yes, there were. You not being able to remember them does not mean they don't exist.

And why would you doubt they pitched Darkseid? An alien villain was a constant piece of info tossed around MOS.

 

[SuperDaniel]

^That IS ALSO A TOTALLY WRONG analogy.

Superman doesnt think of himself as ABOVE people. Its not his critique AT ALL.

Its his critique on HIMSELF. He wants to fit in.

 

[CGHulk]

Thank gawd those two idiots are off the project, they were the main reason Superman Returns sucked so badly! Today is a happy day!

 

[Gotham]

"Clark Kent is how Superman views us... Clark Kent is Superman's critique on the whole human race."

I did not know that was a quote from him.

-R

Actually, it's a quote from Kill Bill, but he stole that from another film.

 

[SuperDaniel]

If Superman considers himself above people, he wouldnt be Superman at all. REad Whatever happened to the man of tomorow.

 

[Crook]

I don't think many people here give SR a fair chance because they identify with their own vision of Superman so much that they can't relate to someone else's vision, which is different but not necessarily bad.

Judgment of SR aside, I think most of us can at least agree that it wasn't the breakout event film that Superman deserved, after a 20 year hiatus. Especially in this day and age where practically anything is possible on the silver screen. Like someone said, I honestly do not think Singer is capable of something of this magnitude. He is clearly best suited for the smaller, dramatic films.

Superman is the ultimate outsider. Superman: The Movie, Superman: The Animated Series, Smallville, and the comics touched on him being an outsider and struggling to fit in. Singer chose this angle, and in my opinion it works. It was a story of him being an outsider, longing for his home and culture. Yet, he literally throws the remains of his home into space to save human kind....I think it was pretty powerful stuff. I would love to see Singer continue.

The outsider element wasn't the problem at all. It's definitely a plus. But there comes a time when you have to know when to draw a line between stretching that plot out. Superman as a character is supposed to inspire hope, and is above sulking in his own misery. Imo, SR failed to capture the heart and soul of the character and instead provided us with a very gloom outtake, that alienated audiences.