Sequels The Official Mike Dougherty & Dan Harris Thread

[nintendo nerd]

 

[Showtime]

Ahhh there ya go. Thanks.

 

[Mandrill]

I think the best way to trigger the emotion arc in a Superman story, is to have Lois find out that Clark & Superman are one in the same by accident.

As long as he doesn't trip over a pink bear rug again I can go along with that

 

[Showtime]

As long as he doesn't trip over a pink bear rug again I can go along with that

Yeah...that doesn't work.

 

[MFM]

Yea, and in Superman: Doomsday it's insinuated that Supes and Lois are bumping uglies and he hasn't revealed himself as Clark to her yet and to my understanding they are not married.

Yeah, that, and S2's scene, and the implication in SR, I don't like those too.

But I don't know, after SR, which follows Donner's universe, it seems that Superman in almost every other media tend to follow these:
- Martha only, no Jonathan (Smallvile, LOSH toon, Supes: Doomsday).
- Err... that "bumping uglies" stuff... (implied in Supes: Doomsday).

Come on, at least bring back Jonathan!

 

[Mandrill]

Yeah...that doesn't work.

I always hated that scene.

 

[nintendo nerd]

As long as he doesn't trip over a pink bear rug again I can go along with that

That was all Lester's wasn't it?

 

[Mandrill]

Yeah, that, and S2's scene, and the implication in SR, I don't like those too.

But I don't know, after SR, which follows Donner's universe, it seems that Superman in almost every other media tend to follow these:
- Martha only, no Jonathan (Smallvile, LOSH toon, Supes: Doomsday).
- Err... that "bumping uglies" stuff... (implied in Supes: Doomsday).

Come on, at least bring back Jonathan!

As far as I know Smallville went with Jonathon dieing to tie in with SR just as they used the Crystal version of the FOS(I think the main entrance they use for the Daily Planet is the same or similar to SR too).I could be wrong though, if I am I apologize in advance but if I am right I don't think it's much of a jump to assume both LOSH and Supesoomsday went in this direction for the same reason.

Whilst not directly related they are the same character so keeping some things similar would make sense.

As I say I could be wrong ...

 

[Mandrill]

That was all Lester's wasn't it?

I think so yeah Donner had the Lois shooting Clark with blanks scene that was used in the Superman 2 onner cut

 

[nintendo nerd]

I think so yeah Donner had the Lois shooting Clark with blanks scene that was used in the Superman 2 onner cut

I haven't watch the Doner cut

 

[Super Kal]

it's not all it's made out to be

 

[nintendo nerd]

it's not all it's made out to be

But I suppose its better than Lester's.

 

[Pickle-El]

GREAT sig Nintendo Nerd...just saw that!

 

[El Payaso]

Never thought I would argue with "El payaso". I think my issues with SR related with the the sadness is because my first contact with Superman were the comic books and you rarely see that kind of sadness. Now, since SR is close to the Donner movies it should have the same kind of mood, it doesn't. IMO.

Ah, same here man. And because it's like that and because it is based on Donner movies is that I can appreciate the twist towards realism. While for Donner it was easy to drown the tragedy of STM and SII in time-reversing and amnesia kisses last minute devices is why I admire that Singer went with the tragedy until the end.

And both the time-revesing and the amnesia kiss are quite some cheap narrative devices to use. Both of them magically appear in the last second merely to solve a specific problem; they were never intended to be part of the story. Superman wasn't fast enough to catch two missiles and suddenly BAM he is fast enough to reverse time. What to say about the amnesia kiss which has never before (and after) been part of the Superman's super-powers. Both things simply appear to undo the problem that is done.

In SR, Superman doesn't get the girl and certainly the scenario with Jason and Richard is not easy to solve at all. Just like in real life where last minute good things don't happen when you need them. If for the Donner-approach, Superman would have been reversing time or some kind of cheap thing so he never went to Krypton and Lois never met Richard and Jason was never born. Ugly.

But don't worry my friend, you will never be on my ignore list. You are one of my favorite people on the hype.

Worry not. You're not the hater I use to fight.

Oh and lol @ your signature

 

[teseract]

oh, so that makes it OK for Superman to completely give up his morals, just because the world thinks it's OK for people to have unprotected sex...

his morals is what makes him Superman. You take away his morals, then he's just a vigilante from another world.

I see nothing immoral in sex before marriage, therefore, why should Supes?

 

[Showtime]

it's not all it's made out to be

I thought it was average at best.

 

[nintendo nerd]

Ah, same here man. And because it's like that and because it is based on Donner movies is that I can appreciate the twist towards realism. While for Donner it was easy to drown the tragedy of STM and SII in time-reversing and amnesia kisses last minute devices is why I admire that Singer went with the tragedy until the end.

And both the time-revesing and the amnesia kiss are quite some cheap narrative devices to use. Both of them magically appear in the last second merely to solve a specific problem; they were never intended to be part of the story. Superman wasn't fast enough to catch two missiles and suddenly BAM he is fast enough to reverse time. What to say about the amnesia kiss which has never before (and after) been part of the Superman's super-powers. Both things simply appear to undo the problem that is done.


In SR, Superman doesn't get the girl and certainly the scenario with Jason and Richard is not easy to solve at all. Just like in real life where last minute good things don't happen when you need them. If for the Donner-approach, Superman would have been reversing time or some kind of cheap thing so he never went to Krypton and Lois never met Richard and Jason was never born. Ugly.



Worry not. You're not the hater I use to fight.

Oh and lol @ your signature

Glad you and Pickle liked my new sig. And as you can see I respected most of the source material. You are still " El payoso". t:

Agreed about Singer having the balls not to reverse time or anything. I hated those scenes.

 

[Super Kal]

But I suppose its better than Lester's.

Lester's cut is OK at best, but the International Cut is perfection

 

[Showtime]

Lester's Cut > Donner's Cut

 

[Super Kal]

lol, I'm just a sucker for the Concorde scene... I've been wanting to get my hands on that scene for 7 years now

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Lester's Cut > Donner's Cut

I disagree. The way Lois finds out Superman is Clark is infinitely better in Donner's Cut, plus Superman being able to communicate to Jor-El one last time carried more emotion in that one scene than the entire Lester cut. We actually get an explanation on how Superman is able to get his powers back. Also, we have no fruit roll up S shield in Donner's Cut along with a lot of other silly scenes cut out. However, the endings for both movies are awful.

 

[Super Kal]

I disagree... I thought the ending to the Lester cut was great

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I disagree... I thought the ending to the Lester cut was great

The amnesia kiss? Because that is what I was referring to, I should have been clearer.

 

[Showtime]

I disagree. The way Lois finds out Superman is Clark is infinitely better in Donner's Cut, plus Superman being able to communicate to Jor-El one last time carried more emotion in that one scene than the entire Lester cut. We actually get an explanation on how Superman is able to get his powers back. Also, we have no fruit roll up S shield in Donner's Cut along with a lot of other silly scenes cut out. However, the endings for both movies are awful.

How can you make fun of the \S/?

 

[Super Kal]

The amnesia kiss? Because that is what I was referring to, I should have been clearer.

no, I meant the very end