The Official Misc. Villians Reboot Thread

[NeoRanger]

I used to want Brainiac, but over the years the Internet wore out the idea for me. Not really seeing Metallo either. Haven't thought of Parasite though; that might prove interesting.

For now, I'm rooting for Mongul.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

If Warner goes with a reboot, there is nothing they can do. Movie need to have all basic elements of Superman mitology, such as Krypton, Lois, Lex, kryptonite, where his powers come from, etc, etc. All the elements need to be reintroduced.

Agreed totally, they need to get the basic core elements in there.

Btw, a lot of ppl say the THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot. Sorry to desagree. Its wasnt. Just had other actors playing the characters. Audience can preety much see it as a sequel. Nothing there says it is a reboot.
If Warner does a reboot, THEY NEED TO SELL IT AS A REBOOT. Make it CLAER for everyone. They are going to the theater to see a new franchise, not just another movie with different actor.

Not so much agreed, the movie is a total re-boot, there is a totally different origin for the Hulk in both movies, so it is definately a re-boot. Not to mention other things.

 

[El Payaso]

If Warner goes with a reboot, there is nothing they can do. Movie need to have all basic elements of Superman mitology, such as Krypton, Lois, Lex, kryptonite, where his powers come from, etc, etc. All the elements need to be reintroduced.

Btw, a lot of ppl say the THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot. Sorry to desagree. Its wasnt. Just had other actors playing the characters. Audience can preety much see it as a sequel. Nothing there says it is a reboot.

If Warner does a reboot, THEY NEED TO SELL IT AS A REBOOT. Make it CLAER for everyone. They are going to the theater to see a new franchise, not just another movie with different actor.

I agree and disagree. TIH WAS a reboot, but yes. If you're not a fan you can easily watch it as a sequel to Ang Lee's Hulk.

 

[Sawyer]

If Warner goes with a reboot, there is nothing they can do. Movie need to have all basic elements of Superman mitology, such as Krypton, Lois, Lex, kryptonite, where his powers come from, etc, etc. All the elements need to be reintroduced.

Btw, a lot of ppl say the THE INCREDIBLE HULK was a reboot. Sorry to desagree. Its wasnt. Just had other actors playing the characters. Audience can preety much see it as a sequel. Nothing there says it is a reboot.

If Warner does a reboot, THEY NEED TO SELL IT AS A REBOOT. Make it CLAER for everyone. They are going to the theater to see a new franchise, not just another movie with different actor.

You're wrong. Sorry.

 

[GreenKToo]

The idea that it IS a re-boot will need to be drilled into peoples heads. No more of this ''it's Superman, so it will sell itself'' thinking.
Hopefully, W.B. will give it the TDK treatment in marketing.

 

[markstrange]

Superman Returns unsuccessfully, in my opinion, delivered not only a quality a human heart felt human story, but it also fundamentally failed to deliver a superman story as well. For one, Jor-El sent his son to earth so save his son from dying along with his planet not to, as the movie implies, save earth. That’s just rehashing the Jesus story. If I wanted that I’d watch Passion of the Christ.

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[dark_b]

Superman Returns unsuccessfully, in my opinion, delivered not only a quality a human heart felt human story, but it also fundamentally failed to deliver a superman story as well. For one, Kal-El sent his son to earth so save his son from dying along with his planet not to, as the movie implies, save earth. That’s just rehashing the Jesus story. If I wanted that I’d watch Passion of the Christ.

singer is that you?

 

[markstrange]

singer is that you?

DAMN IT ALL!! I was trying to make a point and I went and said somthing stupid. I meant Jor-El.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Superman Returns unsuccessfully, in my opinion, delivered not only a quality a human heart felt human story, but it also fundamentally failed to deliver a superman story as well. For one, Jor-El sent his son to earth so save his son from dying along with his planet not to, as the movie implies, save earth. That’s just rehashing the Jesus story. If I wanted that I’d watch Passion of the Christ.

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He sent his son to Earth to save him, that part I'll agree on, but he also sent his son to Earth to make a difference to humanity. Otherwise, he could have sent him to a planet were he wouldnt have been special and had superpowers.

 

[Matt]

He sent his son to Earth to save him, that part I'll agree on, but he also sent his son to Earth to make a difference to humanity. Otherwise, he could have sent him to a planet were he wouldnt have been special and had superpowers.

Not very familiar with Superman mythoes?

Donner's movies were really the only ones that implied Jor-El intending Kal-El to be any kind of savior or messiah-figure. Silver age Jor-El was aware of the yellow sun's effect but did not send him to Earth to save it or anything along those lines.

I believe post-crisis Jor-El simply chose Earth because of the biological match between Krypton and Earth and also some nonsense about a probe he sent allowing him to talk to Thomas Wayne who convinced him to send Kal-El to Earth (then stole the probe and used it to rebuild Wayne Enterprises or some other such nonsense...How any writer could've thought that to be a good idea is beyond me).

 

[NeoRanger]

Post-Crisis Jor-El knew of the effects of the yellow sun, but did send him there becuase of the biological match between the two planets. That and I'm sure that rocketing your unprotected infant son to a primitive planet is always better if the kid develops super-powers there.

(... conveniently forgets about the Eradicator and Kara... If Kara ever was part of post-Crisis continuity...)

 

[Matt]

Post-Crisis Jor-El knew of the effects of the yellow sun, but did send him there becuase of the biological match between the two planets. That and I'm sure that rocketing your unprotected infant son to a primitive planet is always better if the kid develops super-powers there.

(... conveniently forgets about the Eradicator and Kara... If Kara ever was part of post-Crisis continuity...)

Did he? Well, never-the-less...he still didn't intend for him to be the savior of Earth or anything like that as is the case in the Donner films.

 

[Sam]

He sent his son to Earth to save him, that part I'll agree on, but he also sent his son to Earth to make a difference to humanity. Otherwise, he could have sent him to a planet were he wouldnt have been special and had superpowers.

Thats not very accurate. The only version of Superman origin that is mentioned that jor-el sent his son to earth to make a difference and help humanity was actualy SUPERMAN THE MOVIE.

All other versions doesnt mention this aspect. He just sent Kal-el to earth to save him from death when Krypton explode.

 

[storyteller]

Yes they need to go the super villian route. Superman has somehow been stuck in the Superman + kryptonite + Lex(or lex counterpart). Superman has simply suffered from having a crapoload of movies raising the bar and taking so damn long to release a film.

Now for the original post. You may as well have a super villian with that.

 

[COMPO]

didn't Smallville do the same? though making it sound like he wanted Clark to rule Earth

 

[Sam]

didn't Smallville do the same? though making it sound like he wanted Clark to rule Earth

Plz, dont consider Smallville for ANYTHING related Superman mythos

 

[COMPO]

I will because its part of the mythos

 

[NeoRanger]

Gough and Millar knew Superman more or less just as much as Singer did; from the Donner films. That's why they shoved a "reason" and a "training" in.

The mythos comes from the comic books. Not a movie, or a TV show.

 

[Hypestyle]

interesting.. this would be a much more Marvel-style origin tale.. where superman is not automatically embraced/loved by the public.. darker.. who knows.. we'll see.. I still want Darkseid, though..

 

[SymbioteKal-El]

I'd say yes, they do need to go with a super-villain for money-making purposes, though that didnt help The Incredible Hulk much did it?

Hopefully all artistic integrity and storytelling isnt thrown out of the window when they do introduce a super-villain though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Not very familiar with Superman mythoes?

Donner's movies were really the only ones that implied Jor-El intending Kal-El to be any kind of savior or messiah-figure. Silver age Jor-El was aware of the yellow sun's effect but did not send him to Earth to save it or anything along those lines.

I own 31 Superman graphic novels, have read 28 of them, the majority of which twice, I think I know enough.

It was never stated that thats the reason why Jor-El sent him to Earth, it was mostly just to save him, but he could have sent him to any planet, I'm sure in that universe there are other humanoid planets out there.

I believe post-crisis Jor-El simply chose Earth because of the biological match between Krypton and Earth and also some nonsense about a probe he sent allowing him to talk to Thomas Wayne who convinced him to send Kal-El to Earth (then stole the probe and used it to rebuild Wayne Enterprises or some other such nonsense...How any writer could've thought that to be a good idea is beyond me).

Look at the bolded part, the comics dont always get it right do they? But anyway, when i read Man Of Steel Vol.1, I thought it was implied Jor-El knew he wouldnt exaclty be a normal human when he arrived.

Post-Crisis Jor-El knew of the effects of the yellow sun, but did send him there becuase of the biological match between the two planets. That and I'm sure that rocketing your unprotected infant son to a primitive planet is always better if the kid develops super-powers there.
(... conveniently forgets about the Eradicator and Kara... If Kara ever was part of post-Crisis continuity...)

Exactly.

Thats not very accurate. The only version of Superman origin that is mentioned that jor-el sent his son to earth to make a difference and help humanity was actualy SUPERMAN THE MOVIE.

All other versions doesnt mention this aspect. He just sent Kal-el to earth to save him from death when Krypton explode.

As I said above, I do think it was implied in MOS, IMO.

 

[The Guard]

Jor-El sent Kal-El to Earth, in most versions, because he knew Kal-El would have advantages over humans. Not to be their outright savior.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Jor-El sent Kal-El to Earth, in most versions, because he knew Kal-El would have advantages over humans. Not to be their outright savior.

That was my original point, you just worded it better than me, he knew his son would have advantages over humans.

 

[Matt]

That was my original point, you just worded it better than me, he knew his son would have advantages over humans.

No, that was clearly not your point or you won't have said "Jor-El sent him to make a difference for humanity."

 

[The Overlord]

Assuming we get a revamped business mogul Lex in the next movie, which villain would make for the best henchman to fight Superman? Metallo, Parasite, Biazzaro or someone else?