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The telepathic battle got cut due to Inception. It has nothing to do with Charles. Even if he is in wheelchair now, he can project his own walking image to anybody. I doubt they will make him a background character.
 
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I think it's a lazy explanation, that they cut it because of Inception. They could have cut the Argentinian bar scene as well then, because a lot of people said it was similar to the Inglorious Basterds bar scene. :o
If it was similar to Inception they should have changed it so Charles would have one solo "action" scene too.
 
Loganbabe said:
A lot of people also said that Bondneto made the movie for them, and Vaughn seems to believe it too... :csad:

I don't know, I don't want to be too optimistic, especially now that they hired Kinberg - well, Charles was killed in The Last Stand, so it's not great news for the sequel. Vaughn was already insinuating that Charles would be relegated to the background with his "now that he's in a wheelchair" comment.There are ways telepathy can be shown as visually interesting in a film, I'm sure. But the true fact was that neither the writers nor the director were as interested in Charles as they were in Magneto. That's the reality.

James seems to be joking with his "my boring powers" comment, but I guess it's just his way of exposing a situation he's not really happy with. After all, it was not Erik's solo "nazi hunter" scene that was cut, it was his "telepathic battle" one. I believe he's already predicting he won't be able to explore the character as much as he wanted to. I just hope he's wrong, and I hope I'm wrong, but... :csad:
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Your reply wasn't directed at me, but I want to chime in here and say I don't think James has come across well at all in his two appearances on the Graham Norton Show. He didn't really 'sell' XM:FC very well and was constantly grumbling about his powers being boring compared to those of the other mutants.

I admit I prefer Magneto as a character (in the comics and on screen) but I don't dislike Xavier - and there's plenty they can do to make Xavier's power exciting. The astral plane, where he and his opponents can materialise armour/weapons/whatever, is a great example, which i hope they incorporate in a sequel.

It might well have been the case that what they had in mind - spinning rooms, gravity-defying stuff - looked too much like Inception. If so, they need to modify the concept of the astral plane to be very different.

In First Class, Xavier's powers came off pretty well, the way he 'zoomed in' on minds at the Russian retreat and on the warships was something we haven't seen in the previous films. It was far more dynamic than the Xavier we have seen before.

With Xavier now in a wheelchair, the scope for his power expanding to get over that - mental projections, astral plane - is a great way to continue his story, in that his power allows him to overcome his disability because it's based on the mind and not the body.
 
I think James has all the reasons in the world to feel a bit annoyed, seeing how the movie - which supposedly would be about Charles Xavier the formation of the X-Men - suddenly turned into "Magneto was right" or "Bondneto" or something like that. I was a bit shocked when I saw the first trailer, the amount of scenes that seemed to be about Magneto only. The movie is constructed in a way that even the fans forget that, if not for Charles helping him, Magneto would probably be dead at the bottom of the ocean. And he would never raise that sub as well. But suddenly it turned into a "Magneto lifting the sub" scene. :whatever:

Charles Xavier doesn't even have a song title dedicated to him in the score. He didn't have any solo scenes, when Erik had two. All his scenes with Moira were cut. We never learned about how he found out about his powers, as a child. I could go on, and I guess I've already have in other occasions.

So I guess it would bother me a bit as well, if I were an actor, to see the director constantly referring to the character I was playing as "boring", how Magneto's story is so much more compelling, and how people would never be really interested in a character who's both a cripple and a teacher. Vaughn said it all in interviews, so I guess James just decided to joke about the whole situation, because what else can he do? The fate of his character is in the hands of the director and the writers, and it seems they are already planning the second movie in terms of "Magneto's new nemesis" or "Magneto killing Kennedy" or whatever, and not even one mention of "Charles Xavier's development and his struggle with his disability will be explored in the next movie". Vaughn never mentions Charles in his interviews and what he's planning for the character. It seems he only exists in terms of what he can be of service for the Magneto development.

I bet James has some incredible ideas for Charles Xavier, but maybe his disappointment comes from the fact that even though he's playing an amazing character with so many possibilities, he'll be relegated to the background because to the director he's just a teacher in a wheelchair. :o
 
Well directors are human like everyone else and have their favourite characters just like everyone else.

And to be honest, though I absolutely love the character and in some ways find him more intriguing than Erik/Magneto, I'd be the first to admit that as far as comic book movies go, Erik's character and storyline is just more effective; I can understand why many people would gravitate to him over Charles. I'd agree that, in a comic book movie, a story of a troubled dark character becoming a villain is going to be more compelling than a story of a character who is paralysed and becomes a teacher.
 
I disagree, because the same old same old "troubled dark character becoming a villain" has been done to death. This is why I was never interested in Magneto, or in villains in general. I think it's much more interesting a troubled character fighting at the "good guys" side, as is the case with Wolverine.

So to me Charles' story is much more compelling, especially because it has never been explored properly in movies. The fact that he has this amazing mental power, but can't do nothing about his physical condition - he is as frail as anyone of us - is brilliant material. And of course his dark side can be explored as well, when he's being forced to deal with the betrayal of people he cared about deeply, the school he's trying to set and his paralysis, all at the same time. I think a lot of people would love to see this in a movie.

Vaughn can have his favorites all he wants, but he can't let his passion overcome the story he was designed to tell. First Class wasn't "Magneto: Origins". If he wanted to direct a "Bondneto", he should had left FC to another director more interested in the X-Men as a whole.
 
Yeah, but the reason why that same old dark character story has been done to death is because it's still effective and fascinating to many people. Otherwise it wouldn't have been done over and over. I agree with you completely about Charles and what makes him interesting, but I just don't think it's what the majority of moviegoers are after when they're going to see a comic book film.
 
I think one of the issues is that everyone knows what it's like to lose a loved one. We can empathize with Magneto's pain of losing his mother, especially so violently and him so young, that we feel compassion for his character even when his character is set out to destroy us.

Charles' plotline is actually more unique, but people are not as capable of understanding it because they don't even realize how traumatic it is. Most psychological profiles on para/tetraplegics compare sustaining a spinal cord injury to the grieving process you go through when you lose a close loved one. But there are several misconceptions about it, plus issues that can't be covered in a PG-13 comic book movie like sexual dysfunction and body image.

Most people just can't understand or empathize because they've never gone through it. It would take a fantastic script, plus a dedicated director and actor to punch up the emotional aspects Charles would realistically go through, plus balance the sci-fi action. James McAvoy could pull this off without a hitch; the writer they've hired...no. Sorry, but his scripts, at best, are blow-'em up's and MV does seem more interested in Magneto regardless.

So...I understand the concern, Loganbabe. I'm still hoping they're make it happen; after all, if they do it right, Charles' story arc could be one of the most original and intense in the movies and it would only enrich Magneto's turmoil.

But, if MV thinks that Charles is useless because he's in a wheelchair, then MV is not being very creative.
 
Nerial said:
But, if MV thinks that Charles is useless because he's in a wheelchair, then MV is not being very creative.
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That's what I think. It can be such an interesting, original and emotional story. And there can be "action" involved too - damn, those are creative movie people, they can make it happen! That's why I can't accept the "the telepathic battle was too much like Inception", because it's just lazy. Like I said, it didn't bother them that the Argentinian scene looked too much like Inglorious Basterds. Unless there's really disinterest towards Charles' story, there's not a excuse not to give him an amazing arc next time.
 
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^ Very cool. I don't think I've seen this one.
 
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merbass said:
The telepathic battle got cut due to Inception. It has nothing to do with Charles. Even if he is in wheelchair now, he can project his own walking image to anybody. I doubt they will make him a background character.
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Actually, it was cut due to budget and time constraints.

But this isn't the thread to be discussing it. I should make it a no discussion thread. We'll see.
 
because I never saw it before, and thought you could be an insider from the studio or something :woot:

We need more Banshee promo pics
 
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