The Official Pirates of The Caribbean: World's End Thread!

[Backdrifter]

How do we know that? They could have been there for weeks. There's a lot of time compression in the Pirates movies. And his knowledge of the language was, at best, tenuous.


Sure, but doesn't establish that he'd been there before. It gives him a motive for returning *if* he had been there before, but it's still never explicitly stated that it is the case.


He has to go to land, and probably would have gone to the nearest stretch of land in sight, regardless of what it was.


Even without that sequence, there was so much kiddie stuff in the movie. I don't know why that sequence was needed to pander to a kid audience. Even without that sequence, the same number of kids would have seen the film.

Look, it doesn't need to be explained directly. Gibbs gives a small piece of exposition about Jack and the cannibals. Not, to mention Jack behaves in a manner that suggests he has been there before and understands their language and culture. Frankly, it would be insulting if they flat out explained everything about Jacks expirence on the island before hand, not to metion boring and terrible writing. If you need everything explained to you in a movie, then...well, you've got issues my friend. There is such a thing called assumption. You set up the scene and let your audience assume whatever you need them to. If Jack is the chief of the cannibals, we assume he must have had some kind of previous encounter with them before to gain this kind of status. I suggest you stop trying to pick apart things that clearly aren't broken to begin with.

 

[Boom]

You would think they'd be marketing the hell out of this movie considering, oh I don't know, Pirates 2 was a ****ing monster of a success.

 

[Agentsands77]

Look, it doesn't need to be explained directly. Gibbs gives a small piece of exposition about Jack and the cannibals.

Sure it does. It could been easily made clear in Gibbs' expostion. "When Jack was here before..." or something to that effect. It didn't need to put in blinking lights or an essay on his escapades, but a little disctinct clarification that he had actually been there in the past would have been helpful.

If Jack is the chief of the cannibals, we assume he must have had some kind of previous encounter with them before to gain this kind of status.

Not necessarily. Look at RETURN OF THE JEDI, which is what the whole sequence reminded me of - the ewoks name C3PO their chief without any prior encounter (admittedly, he was shiny and gold and not human, but this is still *Jack Sparrow*, and something about them may have struck them as divine).

 

[L0ngsh0t]

How do we know that? They could have been there for weeks. There's a lot of time compression in the Pirates movies. And his knowledge of the language was, at best, tenuous.

No it definatley wasn't weeks, it was days, just the logic of how soon the tribe ate over half the crew and made bones out of them, they wouldn't leave the others sit for very long, and also wouldn't the tribe want to get their king out of his human prison as soon as possible?

Sure, but doesn't establish that he'd been there before. It gives him a motive for returning *if* he had been there before, but it's still never explicitly stated that it is the case.

True it is basic speculation, but if he had been made king at one place, I would assume he would return

He has to go to land, and probably would have gone to the nearest stretch of land in sight, regardless of what it was.

no, because like I said, he cant go anywhere in EITC territory because he knows they are after him, and like I have been saying the blank spaces in the map are being filled in, this is the one place he is sure of he can go

Even without that sequence, there was so much kiddie stuff in the movie. I don't know why that sequence was needed to pander to a kid audience. Even without that sequence, the same number of kids would have seen the film.

I am just saying though, every kid loves that Island sequence, they think it is hilarious, it worked for them

 

[Agentsands77]

No it definatley wasn't weeks, it was days, just the logic of how soon the tribe ate over half the crew and made bones out of them, they wouldn't leave the others sit for very long, and also wouldn't the tribe want to get their king out of his human prison as soon as possible?

Fair enough. I'll buy that he'd been there before - but it still could have been made clearer with about five words of dialogue or so.

I am just saying though, every kid loves that Island sequence, they think it is hilarious, it worked for them

Nothing should ever be done for kids that doesn't work for adults. TOY STORY was very kid-friendly, but it was never pandering to them the way that DEAD MAN'S CHEST island sequence does.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

You would think they'd be marketing the hell out of this movie considering, oh I don't know, Pirates 2 was a ****ing monster of a success.

well right now, the trailer for AWE is narrarated by Tia Dalma, and is on the DVD

its the last 5 minutes of the movie

personally, that is all I need to be excited for AWE

the trailer is gunna rock, and right now the only ones who will see the trailer are Internet guys anyways, and they represent the largest population of anti DMCers on the planet, so why do it anyways? Just wait till the Superbowl, when you can reach everyone, and not just folks who are semi-plugged in

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Fair enough. I'll buy that he'd been there before - but it still could have been made clearer with about five words of dialogue or so.


Nothing should ever be done for kids that doesn't work for adults. TOY STORY was very kid-friendly, but it was never pandering to them the way that DEAD MAN'S CHEST island sequence does.

and that is sure as hell your opinion my friend, and it is fine with me, I am personally not anywhere near as annoyed by it as you

 

[Darth Elektra]

well right now, the trailer for AWE is narrarated by Tia Dalma, and is on the DVD

its the last 5 minutes of the movie

personally, that is all I need to be excited for AWE

the trailer is gunna rock, and right now the only ones who will see the trailer are Internet guys anyways, and they represent the largest population of anti DMCers on the planet, so why do it anyways? Just wait till the Superbowl, when you can reach everyone, and not just folks who are semi-plugged in

Agreed.

Also why release a teaser while all the others are coming out? Transformers/DieHard/Shrek3/Ocean 13 and Fantastic Four have all been released in the past 2 weeks.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I don't think he really tricks Will that much, I mean he basically tells him that he might have to fight a bunch of guys to get the key, I dunno, Will also doesn't really seem like he would care, because he only cares about Elizebeth's saftey, and the Key is how she gets safe

Thats not entirely true. Jack was just afraid that he was going to die but he calmed down and let the compass choose for him. Like i said in the end he does the right thing. I think Jack likes Will because he is Bootstraps son but his daddy did give him the black mark. I think Jack has more faith that Will can get out of messes on his own and Jack figured that Will would do anything to save Elizabeth. Jack placing Will in the care of Jones was all part of the plan for why get the chest unless you expect Will to get the key for you.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Thats not entirely true. Jack was just afraid that he was going to die but he calmed down and let the compass choose for him. Like i said in the end he does the right thing. I think Jack likes Will because he is Bootstraps son but his daddy did give him the black mark. I think Jack has more faith that Will can get out of messes on his own and Jack figured that Will would do anything to save Elizabeth. Jack placing Will in the care of Jones was all part of the plan for why get the chest unless you expect Will to get the key for you.

Yes, but also, like I said it's not like Will really has a choice, because the only way he can save Elizabeth is to get the chest anyways, so regardless of weather Jack flat out tricked Will into going on the Dutchman, or he just concealed part of the truth, Will more than likely would have gone regardless of what he said to save Elizabeth

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Did anyone save the Jack and his pop pic? I really want to see it.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Did anyone save the Jack and his pop pic? I really want to see it.

It's on here somewhere, but you could probabaly just like google images it or something

 

[Agentsands77]

The most interesting aspect of DEAD MAN'S CHEST, IMO, is the Elizabeth/Jack love story - they both want eachother more than anything else in the world, as indicated by the compass continually pointing at the other person. Sexual tension was expected, but to take it such a dramatic direction for the two of them... curious.

The script is even more explicit about how much they love eachother - in the script, Jack returns to save the day after looking at his compass, which points to *Elizabeth* on the ship. The script even states that Jack wants Elizabeth more after she chains him, because he knows her heart is the same as his.

As far as AT WORLD'S END goes, I do wonder how that's all going to be resolved - it's more than flirtation, but I can't imagine Jack and Elizabeth actually ending up in eachother's arms (if they did do that, it would be deliciously shocking, though).

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The most interesting aspect of DEAD MAN'S CHEST, IMO, is the Elizabeth/Jack love story - they both want eachother more than anything else in the world, as indicated by the compass continually pointing at the other person. Sexual tension was expected, but to take it such a dramatic direction for the two of them... curious.

The script is even more explicit about how much they love eachother - in the script, Jack returns to save the day after looking at his compass, which points to *Elizabeth* on the ship. The script even states that Jack wants Elizabeth more after she chains him, because he knows her heart is the same as his.

As far as AT WORLD'S END goes, I do wonder how that's all going to be resolved - it's more than flirtation, but I can't imagine Jack and Elizabeth actually ending up in eachother's arms (if they did do that, it would be deliciously shocking, though).

My sis says that she doesn't think there is much between Jack and Liz but I beg to differ, she was pretty dam broken up about what she did, a little too broken up. I would love a love triangle, but who knows, she could be right.

 

[Darth Elektra]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/popcorn631/KeithRichards-PotC-III.jpg

Jack and his dad...

 

[terry78]

^...and Mini-Me?

 

[Excel]

ill see it...but having recently scene pirates 2...color me dissappointed.

 

[Erundur]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/popcorn631/KeithRichards-PotC-III.jpg

Jack and his dad...

I chuckled when I saw that pic, I can't wait for the third

 

[BloodyWolverine]

I think Will and Liz will be together for its the classic Disney ending Orlando is the prince and elizabeth the princess theory here. Jack is for tension nothing more. It would be a great plot twist but i don't think Captain Jack is the studios idea of a prince. Its just my feeling but i have been wrong before for Han Solo did get princess Lea. But i am certain its Will Liz all the way. I am hoping more to see Jack and Barbossa team working well together. BUt i also feel that Barbossa will get Jack for shooting him. BUt from what i hear back stabbing is done by all.

 

[Backdrifter]

Elizabeth doesn't love Jack. She lusted after him, but she is in love with Will, hence why she sacraficed Jack to save her love.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Elizabeth doesn't love Jack. She lusted after him, but she is in love with Will, hence why she sacraficed Jack to save her love.

Preach on brother

Elizabeth wanted Jack because she has a infacutation with him, and Will wasn't around

I'm sure she feels bad about what she did too him, so that is why she wants to go find him, but she sent him to his death to save Will, she already chose Will

 

[Agentsands77]

Elizabeth wanted Jack because she has a infacutation with him, and Will wasn't around

Possibly, but since the compass showed that they wanted eachother more than *anything* else in the world, it seems it's a bit stronger than that. And furthermore, the narration of the screenplay indicates that there *is* something deeper to it.

I'm sure she feels bad about what she did too him, so that is why she wants to go find him, but she sent him to his death to save Will, she already chose Will

She sent him to his death to save *herself*. I didn't think it was to save the others. She knew that she'd die if he was around. I think it was an entirely selfish act.

 

[BloodyWolverine]

Technically the Krakan was after Will and Jack. Sure Jack had the spot again but Jack was off the Pearl and the Krakan seemed to not since the black spot had moved. So my thinking is that the Krakan was after Will but Liz thaught it was all Jack. She decided to do a pirate act and thats why Jack smiles and says Pirate. They both did what the other said. Liz likley shackled him because she does love Will but felt guilty over her building feelings for Jack.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Possibly, but since the compass showed that they wanted eachother more than *anything* else in the world, it seems it's a bit stronger than that. And furthermore, the narration of the screenplay indicates that there *is* something deeper to it.


She sent him to his death to save *herself*. I didn't think it was to save the others. She knew that she'd die if he was around. I think it was an entirely selfish act.

Once again you are wrong

at certian times in the voyage, yes the compass points towards Jack, but it isn't consistent by any means, and when they are on the Island, they just make it look like it is pointing at Jack, cause she is walking on top of it, and there is no way for the compas to point like Down and to the right, so it just points in which direction it is.

Jack obviously kind of wants elizabeth I won't argue with you there

Elizabeth is pure infactuation though, once she sees Will, you will notice she doesn't seem to care about Jack, she kisses him, yes, but it is mearly a kiss of death.

And when has Elizabeth been a selfish person once in ether movie? At the beginning of the movie her dad offers her a chance to go to England, but she doesn't, she wants to find, and save Will. She knows the Kraken is after Jack (which i will get to latter Bloody Wolverine), and she knows the only way to save everyone, but most importantly Will, is to let the Kraken have Jack

Now, BW, the Kraken is most certianly after Jack, he is the one who pisses Jones off the most, he says in one line "who was the one who told that theiving charlaten about the key, who was the one who sent him to my ship?" He obviously knows Jack is the head of the problem, and since he has the spot, and Will doesn't the Kraken is after Jack. Now, why didn't it just go after Jacks row boat? I would assume the Kraken A doesn't know that that is Jack, and the time he first attacks Jack couldn't be far enough away for it to matter, and the second time, he is pissed they blew his arms off.

 

[Agentsands77]

Once again you are wrong

You've have to learn to stop dealing in absolutes, my friend. There are many ways to interpret certain things.

Elizabeth is pure infactuation though, once she sees Will, you will notice she doesn't seem to care about Jack, she kisses him, yes, but it is mearly a kiss of death.

The script describes it as "the kiss that we have been waiting for since they first met" - pretty strong stuff. There's a number of ways that moment can be interpreted, but adding into that all the compass stuff, I'd say there's more there than just manipulation.

And when has Elizabeth been a selfish person once in ether movie? At the beginning of the movie her dad offers her a chance to go to England, but she doesn't, she wants to find, and save Will. She knows the Kraken is after Jack (which i will get to latter Bloody Wolverine), and she knows the only way to save everyone, but most importantly Will, is to let the Kraken have Jack

The whole point of that scene is that a heretofore unseen side of Elizabeth is coming out - that she is darker, that beneath the skin lies the capability to do terrible things. This is her moment of "curiosity" towards the darker side of life, solidifying what Jack said about her earlier.

The script writes in its narration that Elizabeth has the exact same soul as Jack, and that the moment reveals that. If that's not pointing towards her selfishness, I don't know what is.