The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, how the Joker knew that the guy would take off his handcuffs after egging him on, so he could take the shard of glass and get his phone call.

Another thing, that I mentioned in another thread, how the Joker had to be superhuman because no man could survive the beatings of batman in the interrogation scene without being knocked out / survive the front flip of the mack truck and escape with a 5 second limp
 
How did Joker get bombs ALL OVER the hospital? How did he get them NATIONAL GUARD FERRIES?
 
First let me say this is not a Dark Knight bashing thread. But I didn't notice anyone talking about the plot wholes that I keep thinking about. These were evident but it still didn't stop the movie from being good as hell

1. Batman showing up in places of danger he should know nothing about.

The first time this happened was when Harvey kidnapped jokers thug after the attempted assasination of the mayor. Harvey takes him to an abandoned wharehouse to interogate while batman interogates Maroni by throwing him off the roof. Then suddenly Batman shows up to stop harvey's interogation. How the hell did he know where harvey was because he sure didn't tell anyone even rachel.

It happens again at the end of the film one minute batman has joker hanging upside down, then he shows up at the ware house were Rachel was killed, not even knowing Gordon was there or that Two face would be there. (Granted he may have just been checking the place of Rachels death or he may have used the sonar if so they didn't make it clear)

2. Did batman really have to take the fall for harvey? Really they could have just blamed the joker for harvs killings. After I thought about it because it made the movie cooler because I realized that this is the first superhero movie where the villan actually won. The joker corrupted harvey, and made the public believe batman broke his one rule, essentially corrupting batman too. He won so bad that the good guys had to essentially lie and pretend it didn't happen.

there is actually more but I'm tired of typing

I agree with the first two. Though for the second I just attributed it to Sonar. But when he showed up when Harv was with the criminal I was like "heh? how the heck did he find him?"

The last one though, (and I know there's a thread for this but...) there really wasn't any other option. The construction site was surrounded by cops. Gordon had to tag the situation on either Harv or Bats, because if he tried to tag it on someone else the cops would wonder how the heck he escaped without anyone seeing him, or even a car driving away from the cite. Bats taking the fall was the only way to handle that situation without tarnishing Harvey's name.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, how the Joker knew that the guy would take off his handcuffs after egging him on, so he could take the shard of glass and get his phone call.

Another thing, that I mentioned in another thread, how the Joker had to be superhuman because no man could survive the beatings of batman in the interrogation scene without being knocked out / survive the front flip of the mack truck and escape with a 5 second limp

1. Everyone has the right to get one phone call if I'm not mistaken. He had no idea. I had no idea. But the Joker WAS trying to get under the guard's skin. Obviously he did and was able to get his phone call easier than he thought.

2. Nice nitpick. I'm not even mad. I'm actually impressed.
 
Lol, the answers to these questions are easy

A. Because he's Batman

B. Because he's The Joker
 
I think the Joker's abilities to plant bombs and be everywhere at once is less of a plot hole and more of a "stretch of reality" for the sake of the narrative. The Joker is often portrayed as all-powerful and near-invincible due to his fearless atttitude, and so he has to be able to do things that normal people wouldn't - like outsmart everyone (mobsters, police, etc.) and laugh in the face of getting his butt kicked (interrogation scene.)
 
I agree with the first two. Though for the second I just attributed it to Sonar. But when he showed up when Harv was with the criminal I was like "heh? how the heck did he find him?"

The last one though, (and I know there's a thread for this but...) there really wasn't any other option. The construction site was surrounded by cops. Gordon had to tag the situation on either Harv or Bats, because if he tried to tag it on someone else the cops would wonder how the heck he escaped without anyone seeing him, or even a car driving away from the cite. Bats taking the fall was the only way to handle that situation without tarnishing Harvey's name.

Batman could have been using the sonar. Remember in the beginning of the movie he was working with it "pretty close to the chest" He could have been testing it.
 
i thought it was funny that batman could do all those fanciful tricks on his batpod....but apparently didnt even know how to maneuver and stop properly when playing chicken with the joker (since he just ended up wiping out resulting in the joker beating the crap out of him until gordon gloriously shows up from his highly unnecessary fake death).

eh Batman swivered out of the way from hitting joker and then hit the truck causing him too fall off the bike he was about to ram the joker if it wasnt for that last second mind change. And really people pay attention to what characters say Gordan Faked his death so his family wouldnt get invovled with the Jokers killings, he says it himself to the mayor when he becomes Comish.

The only real plot whole I see is how Batman found Dent but even that can be solved with simple ditective work finding out the ambulance carrying the guy is missing then doing a GPS tracking for it.
 
eh Batman swivered out of the way from hitting joker and then hit the truck causing him too fall off the bike he was about to ram the joker if it wasnt for that last second mind change. And really people pay attention to what characters say Gordan Faked his death so his family wouldnt get invovled with the Jokers killings, he says it himself to the mayor when he becomes Comish.

The only real plot whole I see is how Batman found Dent but even that can be solved with simple ditective work finding out the ambulance carrying the guy is missing then doing a GPS tracking for it.

Agreed.
 
Gordon's fake death wasn't unnecessary. Right before Loeb dies he says "Gordon you're in line (for this spot or something like that meaning he knew Gordon was in line to be the Commissioner after him.)" So if the Joker had already made good on the threat to kill the commissioner why wouldn't he go after Gordon? I would have done the same thing if I was in that position.
the joker seemed pretty specific in his threats and he didnt call out gordon. gordon appearing "dead" in no way advanced their chances of catching the joker.

eh Batman swivered out of the way from hitting joker and then hit the truck causing him too fall off the bike he was about to ram the joker if it wasnt for that last second mind change. And really people pay attention to what characters say Gordan Faked his death so his family wouldnt get invovled with the Jokers killings, he says it himself to the mayor when he becomes Comish.

The only real plot whole I see is how Batman found Dent but even that can be solved with simple ditective work finding out the ambulance carrying the guy is missing then doing a GPS tracking for it.

i actually not too entirely concerned about the motorcycle thing, truth be told. i just thought it was kinda funny.

but as for the faked death, like i said above, the joker made no threats of any sort to gordon and his family, and never gave any impressions that would warrant such a drastic and dramatic reaction such as faking your death. if gordon was afraid for his family, he could have sent them out of town, rather than putting them through the horrible pain and idea of him being dead. it just seemed ridiculous and contrived all for the sake of (melo)drama. just unnecessary.
 
I agree with the first two. Though for the second I just attributed it to Sonar. But when he showed up when Harv was with the criminal I was like "heh? how the heck did he find him?"

The last one though, (and I know there's a thread for this but...) there really wasn't any other option. The construction site was surrounded by cops. Gordon had to tag the situation on either Harv or Bats, because if he tried to tag it on someone else the cops would wonder how the heck he escaped without anyone seeing him, or even a car driving away from the cite. Bats taking the fall was the only way to handle that situation without tarnishing Harvey's name.

Thank you I think you just solved the question why Batman had to take the blaim jesus lol I'm jealous I didnt think that up :bh:
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, how the Joker knew that the guy would take off his handcuffs after egging him on, so he could take the shard of glass and get his phone call.
Gordon took them off himself, before letting Bats take control of the situation. It's shown on camera, with very loud sound. :dry:
 
I only have one problem. If Two-Face had 4th degree burns, how was he able to move his face and go on killing all those people? I mean, wouldn't he be in so much pain he wouldn't even be able to walk, let alone put on a suit and go on shooting people.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, how the Joker knew that the guy would take off his handcuffs after egging him on, so he could take the shard of glass and get his phone call.

Another thing, that I mentioned in another thread, how the Joker had to be superhuman because no man could survive the beatings of batman in the interrogation scene without being knocked out / survive the front flip of the mack truck and escape with a 5 second limp

Gordon takes off his cuffs right before he leaves, do they re-cuff him? I thought he just had them off for the rest of the time.
Batman was just trying to get info out of him, not knock him out.
 
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet but, how the Joker knew that the guy would take off his handcuffs after egging him on, so he could take the shard of glass and get his phone call.[/quote]

Gordon takes off the handcuffs just before he leaves the room for the Good Cop/Bad Cop routine.

Another thing, that I mentioned in another thread, how the Joker had to be superhuman because no man could survive the beatings of batman in the interrogation scene without being knocked out / survive the front flip of the mack truck and escape with a 5 second limp

The Joker loves pain. He's a sadist and masochist all rolled into one. That's why he's laughing when Batman beats him down and tells him that Batman has nothing. His strength won't help him. Stephens (the cop the Joker taunts) sees this. That's why he says I know something along the lines of "I know you're going to enjoy this. I'll just try to enjoy it more" when he approaches Joker.
 
The Joker loves pain. He's a sadist and masochist all rolled into one. That's why he's laughing when Batman beats him down and tells him that Batman has nothing. His strength won't help him. Stephens (the cop the Joker taunts) sees this. That's why he says I know something along the lines of "I know you're going to enjoy this. I'll just try to enjoy it more" when he approaches Joker.

most importantly, batman was looking to get info out of the joker. so beating him unconscious would have been useless to him. batman was looking to cause joker pain, not knock him out.
 
Dent did bring Gordon's family to the warehouse Rachael died in. Kind of an obvious move probably not to hard for Batman to figure out. Considering how angry and hellbent for "justice" Harvey was. And also thats a classic villain move bringing the people he blames to the site where Two-Face was born. Making revenge that much sweeter.
 
Not really plot holes I suppose...but stretches:

how did the Joker get a corpse in a batsuit all the way to the roof of the mayor's building and throw him over and escape?

how did Batman not get hurt when he landed on his back on a taxi after jumping from his penthouse ledge to rescue Rachel?

how did Joker and goons get away from penthouse with Batman down near the entrance?
 
I didn't fully understand this while watching the film ...

Why was Gordon knowingly using officers previously investigated for corruption in his MCU?

I know Harvey calls him on it in the MCU rooftop meeting, and there probably is some off-hand piece of dialog in the film about it. But I guess I didn't catch it or believe it
 
I guess the only holes I remember are:

1. Batman and Rachel fall from the building. The Joker got there using the elevator, right? So, he probably would have to use it to go away. So, am I supposed to believe that Batman and Rachel decided to have some talk on the smashed car while the Joker left the place... walking?

2. Two-Face throws the coin. Maroni makes it. The driver doesn't. Two-Face shoots him. The car crashes. Is Maroni dead? We know Dent lived. Ok, it was a "I cannot kill you, but I can cause your death another way" situation, but in the end I was not that sure that it really happened.
 
I only have one problem. If Two-Face had 4th degree burns, how was he able to move his face and go on killing all those people? I mean, wouldn't he be in so much pain he wouldn't even be able to walk, let alone put on a suit and go on shooting people.

I view it as though what Bruce said to Ducard in Batman Begins. "My anger outweighs my guilt." For Harvey/Two-Face I feel his anger outweighed his pain and it helped him fuel it even more.
 
1. Batman and Rachel fall from the building. The Joker got there using the elevator, right? So, he probably would have to use it to go away. So, am I supposed to believe that Batman and Rachel decided to have some talk on the smashed car while the Joker left the place... walking?

If the building only has one way in and out which would violate every city's fire code.
 
There really were no plotholes in this film from what I recall. There is just an abundance of information which is difficult for some to follow because it is easy to get lost in the various story-lines. Obviously Nolan can't show every little aspect of the film, or else we would know when Batman goes to take a piss and shaves.
 
- During his first meeting with Harvey, Gordon says something to the effect of, "If I only worked with cops you haven't investigated, I would be working alone."

- Considering that the Joker alerted the police as to who he was going to kill, I have to think that he knew he had a limited amount of time in the penthouse, and so he just left after not finding Dent (I do agree there could have been a 30 second scene of Alfred explaining to Bruce that Joker left after tossing Rachel, though. This is my only real gripe.)

- Gordon brings some cops with him to the Two-Face confrontation, and I imagine Lucius was monitoring the police, and clued in Batman.

- The Joker killed the last police Commissioner, witnessed Gordon being appointed new Commissioner, and possibly even made a silent threat with his sarcastic clapping. I don't have any problem believing that Gordon would find it necessary to protect his family.

He clearly can't just leave Gotham in the middle of a crisis to take them out of town himself, and by the time he fakes his death, it's fairly obvious that there aren't a lot of people he can trust to do it for him. Also, given that the Joker is inspired by Batman, and knows that Batman has no jurisdiction, it's not a big leap to believe that the Joker would try to go after Gordon's family no matter where they hide.

Also, at the time Gordon fakes his death, you have to think that Batman has given serious consideration to turning himself in, and knows that he's going to need someone on the inside who he can trust. The only person who fits that bill is Gordon, and if the Joker believes Gordon to be dead, then Gordon is going to be beyond threats.

In fact, I think Bruce was under the impression that he, not Harvey, would be the one in the back of that SWAT van, and he wanted Gordon driving it.

- As far as the gas cans on the ferries go, I'm pretty sure that ties into the theme of the movie. The Joker doesn't have second thoughts -- as he says himself, he just does things. Now, I imagine you're supposed to believe that one of his guys accomplishes the actual loading, but I'm sure the Joker holds his "employees" to his own standards, and I'm sure that questioning his orders results in some kind of magic trick.

He would have no problem with buying some coveralls, throwing a fake lamented badge around his neck, and using a dolly to walk some gas cans onto the ferries. Maybe a ferry worker would stop him, but if he looks like he belongs, there's a good chance he's going to get away with it. That's one of the unsettling things about this movie -- when you start thinking about what a person with no real fear or morals can accomplish, it's pretty frightening.

A member mentioned a while back that during the opening scene, before the van picks up the Joker, someone probably would have called the police when they saw a guy with his face painted standing on the corner. I disagree. I bet that if any one of us who lives in a big city walked out onto the street with our face painted, and stood there for 30 seconds before getting picked up by a friend, no one would do a thing. They might think about it, but then they would think about having to wait around while the police came, and whether or not they wanted to possibly cross a guy with his face painted to begin with, and then they would just keep walking.

I think that's another theme of this film: doing the right thing is a lot harder than just ignoring the problem and going on with your life.
 
I don't think that any of the points you guys are bringing up are "plotholes" they are just pointless details that have nothing to do with the plot of the movie
 

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