The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[hame4479]

In terms of theme, character, and spectacle, this movie is absolutely perfect

But the lack of explanation for what happens at the party after Batman saves Rachel, just annoys the heck out of me

ya this really pisses me off, because bats would have gotten right up and grappled right back up there. It would have been cool if he would have done that only to find like 5 people murdered in his own home, and that would have been a price he would have payed for saving her.

 

[Octoberist]

it was a weird edit. no doubt. but you soon forget all about it.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I have a couple questions about the party scene.

First, how can Bruce choke Harvey into unconsciousness and not have Harvey ask Rachel a lot of difficult questions later?

Second - don't people wonder why the moment Bruce disappeared, Batman showed up to save the day? A silly "Superman" moment.

Third - okay, after Batman goes after Rachel out the window, the Joker what... leaves? Can't find Harvey because he's in the closet, so he just packs up the clowns and takes off? Its surprising we don't hear anything about casualties or Joker blowing up the whole damn place in frustration.

 

[The_Raganork]

I have a couple questions about the party scene.

First, how can Bruce choke Harvey into unconsciousness and not have Harvey ask Rachel a lot of difficult questions later?

Second - don't people wonder why the moment Bruce disappeared, Batman showed up to save the day? A silly "Superman" moment.

#1 Bruce left previous to Joker arriving.

#2 who's to say Rachel didn't explain what happened later? It's not that crazy

"Bruce saw Joker and stuffed you in to a closet for your safety"


She's a D.A. she's good at lying she figured something out; more importantly; that doesn't have much bearing on the story...would Harvey love her less? I think not.


Joker got a glimpse at Batman and knew staying would risk his plans for later he got out of there before Batman came back and laid the smackdown. PLUS he saw Batman's devotion to Rachel and probably began to plot what to do to her to cause Batman pain.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Maybe a tiny nitpick but anyone notice that Rachel was still wearing the same clothes in the morning at Wayne's penthouse after the previous night when Bruce tells her he's giving up?

 

[The_Raganork]

Maybe a tiny nitpick but anyone notice that Rachel was still wearing the same clothes in the morning at Wayne's penthouse after the previous night when Bruce tells her he's giving up?

She spent the night...

 

[BatmanFanatic]

#1 Bruce left previous to Joker arriving.

#2 who's to say Rachel didn't explain what happened later? It's not that crazy

"Bruce saw Joker and stuffed you in to a closet for your safety"


She's a D.A. she's good at lying she figured something out; more importantly; that doesn't have much bearing on the story...would Harvey love her less? I think not.


Joker got a glimpse at Batman and knew staying would risk his plans for later he got out of there before Batman came back and laid the smackdown. PLUS he saw Batman's devotion to Rachel and probably began to plot what to do to her to cause Batman pain.

#1.) Why?
#2.) Are you kidding? How could she possibly explain that kind of behavior from Bruce w/o revealing his secret identity?

 

[AJGoodfella7]

#1.) Why?
#2.) Are you kidding? How could she possibly explain that kind of behavior from Bruce w/o revealing his secret identity?

1.) I'm not trying to devalue your question but honestly it doesn't really matter. Firstly, Harvey did not see who had grabbed and choked him out. Secondly just because Bruce choked him out does not mean to Harvey he was Batman. If you want to get technical, Rachel could have said that he was choked out by one of the thugs from behind and he probably would have had no idea, nor realized that the thugs had not yet entered the penthouse. Yes, there are plenty of scenes like this in TDK. But you have to realize the movie is 2 and half hours as is... I mean you can't have a 3 and a half hour summer blockbuster and expect it to do this kind of business. I really can't think of a scene I would have cut out in favor of explaining a detail like this. Bruce Wayne is a smart person I'm sure he could come up with something on his own.

As for scenes that could have been added:

1. A scene showing how Batman finds Harvey Dent when he's intimdating a Joker thug.

2. A scene showing the Joker leaving Bruce's penthouse.

3. A bigger scene involving the Scarecrow's capture.

4. A scene involving how Batman finds Harvey at the end of the film.

5. A scene showing how Rachel dupes Harvey into believing something about being choked out.

6. A scene showing how Two Face gets out of the hospital.

7. A scene showing Rachel's funeral.

8. You get the picture.

... I think Nolan did a great job in leaving out the least important aspects of movie. I mean it is OK for people to use their imaginations every once in a while. The most boring movies IMO are the ones where the director takes the time to explain every single little detail.

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

She spent the night...

But she didn't bother to pack extra clothes, I know it was last minute because of Jokers rampage but still.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

I have a couple questions about the party scene.

First, how can Bruce choke Harvey into unconsciousness and not have Harvey ask Rachel a lot of difficult questions later?

Second - don't people wonder why the moment Bruce disappeared, Batman showed up to save the day? A silly "Superman" moment.

Third - okay, after Batman goes after Rachel out the window, the Joker what... leaves? Can't find Harvey because he's in the closet, so he just packs up the clowns and takes off? Its surprising we don't hear anything about casualties or Joker blowing up the whole damn place in frustration.

Gordon told the cops to let Bruce know Dent was a target, and I guess he checked the security cams of the elevator. Dent doesn't need to ask Rachel, what would he ask? "How did he know?!" Well, Gordon's men told him.

Second: He was seen going into the "panic room" by two people. So there's his allyby.

Third, the cops were on the way and seriously why would you want to stick around when Batman just took out all of your men?

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

But she didn't bother to pack extra clothes, I know it was last minute because of Jokers rampage but still.

Dent said "Go straight there"

 

[Asteroid-Man]

1.) I'm not trying to devalue your question but honestly it doesn't really matter. Firstly, Harvey did not see who had grabbed and choked him out. Secondly just because Bruce choked him out does not mean to Harvey he was Batman. If you want to get technical, Rachel could have said that he was choked out by one of the thugs from behind and he probably would have had no idea, nor realized that the thugs had not yet entered the penthouse. Yes, there are plenty of scenes like this in TDK. But you have to realize the movie is 2 and half hours as is... I mean you can't have a 3 and a half hour summer blockbuster and expect it to do this kind of business. I really can't think of a scene I would have cut out in favor of explaining a detail like this. Bruce Wayne is a smart person I'm sure he could come up with something on his own.

As for scenes that could have been added:

1. A scene showing how Batman finds Harvey Dent when he's intimdating a Joker thug.

2. A scene showing the Joker leaving Bruce's penthouse.

3. A bigger scene involving the Scarecrow's capture.

4. A scene involving how Batman finds Harvey at the end of the film.

5. A scene showing how Rachel dupes Harvey into believing something about being choked out.

6. A scene showing how Two Face gets out of the hospital.

7. A scene showing Rachel's funeral.

8. You get the picture.

... I think Nolan did a great job in leaving out the least important aspects of movie. I mean it is OK for people to use their imaginations every once in a while. The most boring movies IMO are the ones where the director takes the time to explain every single little detail.

The only REAL plot hole you mentioned is number 4, and to answer that...
Gordon made a call to set a perimeter around the area and Batman can pick up police radios remember? Who do you think would be at that scene? Batman knew Two-Face was the one behind it and arrived.

 

[AJGoodfella7]

The only REAL plot hole you mentioned is number 4, and to answer that...
Gordon made a call to set a perimeter around the area and Batman can pick up police radios remember? Who do you think would be at that scene? Batman knew Two-Face was the one behind it and arrived.

Yes I'm not pointing out what I think are plot holes... I said I think the movie is great how it is. Please read entire post.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Batman knew where Dent was because of the Sonar...he must have heard Dent on the phone with Dawes

no, dawes is dead first of all. Second, it's because of the Police Radio which Batman can pick up, remember? Gordon called in his men (MCU) to set a perimeter.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Yes I'm not pointing out what I think are plot holes... I said I think the movie is great how it is. Please read entire post.

I know. I'm just saying you pointed out something that people keep calling a plot hole. I just came back from watching it for like a bajillionth time so it's still fresh in my memory.

 

[The Battousai]

no, dawes is dead first of all. Second, it's because of the Police Radio which Batman can pick up, remember? Gordon called in his men (MCU) to set a perimeter.

You're thinking of the wrong scene

He's referring to the part where Dent is interrogating the scizophrenic

 

[Asteroid-Man]

You're thinking of the wrong scene

He's referring to the part where Dent is interrogating the scizophrenic

No he's not, he clearly says sonar. The Sonar for Gotham wasn't introduced until the Climax. And with the schizophrenic, Batman was outside already so I assume he heard the gunshot and came over.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

First, how can Bruce choke Harvey into unconsciousness and not have Harvey ask Rachel a lot of difficult questions later?

Your assuming that Harvey saw who had him in the sleeper hold.

I've seen the movie twice and it didnt look like Harevy was able to turn his head around and see who was doing it.

Second - don't people wonder why the moment Bruce disappeared, Batman showed up to save the day? A silly "Superman" moment.

I doubt that anyone would have really noticed.

In situations like that people tend to only think about them selfs and the loved one with them.

No body would even think about the guy throwing the party.....especially when he seems like a D1C* to the general public.

Further more there were those 2 that were making out when Bruce entered the room.

They would have told everybody that the saw Bruce run and hide like a ***** cat in a "panic room".

 

[AJGoodfella7]

Even if people did notice Bruce left the party, he had an alibi because 2 people saw him enter his "panic room."

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

when Dent is with the fake cop he calls Rachel and she tells him that she is going to Bruce's. she told Alfred about the call and it wouldn't be hard for Batman/Alfred to trace the call to the location.

 

[CaptainClown]

I have a couple questions about the party scene.

First, how can Bruce choke Harvey into unconsciousness and not have Harvey ask Rachel a lot of difficult questions later?

Second - don't people wonder why the moment Bruce disappeared, Batman showed up to save the day? A silly "Superman" moment.

Third - okay, after Batman goes after Rachel out the window, the Joker what... leaves? Can't find Harvey because he's in the closet, so he just packs up the clowns and takes off? Its surprising we don't hear anything about casualties or Joker blowing up the whole damn place in frustration.

1.There are a lot of moments that have a lot of difficult questions to follow, it is just natural. Rachel would probably say the Batman came and knocked you out.

2. I wonder why people didn't realize that the second Harvey Dent was gone Batman came!

3.Joker stole the rest of the shrimp, Gordon talks about it in his speech.

 

[christpunchers]

The only REAL plot hole you mentioned is number 4, and to answer that...
Gordon made a call to set a perimeter around the area and Batman can pick up police radios remember? Who do you think would be at that scene? Batman knew Two-Face was the one behind it and arrived.

Sonar Vision.

 

[DonnyLebeau]

Because people thought he'd have enough sense to shoot the guy in the head if things got out of hand not to antagonize him a try to fight him.

I'm pretty sure the cop wasn't armed or J-man would have used the gun to his head instead a piece of glass.

They've got the most maniacal criminal in the city and they leave him UNCUFFED in a large room, with a metal chair and glass readily available?

Then send in one fat, lump to "watch" him and have no one else guarding the exit?

Just made the Joker's escape a little too easy and could have been slowed down or even avoided if the POLICE used common sense.

 

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Just made the Joker's escape a little too easy and could have been slowed down or even avoided if the POLICE used common sense.

Actually thats the problem.

The POLICE were use "common sense" and thats why the Joker was able to get away.

The police in question werent ready for the type of insanity that is the Joker.

 

[The Battousai]

No he's not, he clearly says sonar. The Sonar for Gotham wasn't introduced until the Climax. And with the schizophrenic, Batman was outside already so I assume he heard the gunshot and came over.

You're assuming it wasn't used until Batman showed it to Lucius.