The Dark Knight The Official Plot holes thread.

[JamalYIgle]

i must've missed it,but at what point did lucius find out who batman was? and what happened to the guy who was gonna blackmail bruce wayne ?

He probably saw the tumbler ripping through the streets of gotham on the News report in"Batman Begins" and put two and two together.

His stories over... who cares?

 

[Motown Marvel]

Yeah, we'll have to look a little harder to see what Reese's role in Wayne Enterprises actually was. I did get the idea that he was a consultant of some sort, since Fox refers to Bruce as his "client." If he was a lawyer, he'd been doing some accountant-like things since Fox also asked him to check the numbers. But...anyway. Details.

i definitely got the impression he was hired by wayne enterprises for some accounting business, he could maybe be a finance lawyer. but i found the character to be pretty pointless, his story served no purpose. not only do i find it hard to believe that wayne and fox just carelessly left around proof of batman's identity that could apparently be so easily discovered by a hired lawyer/accountant/consultant....but it also woulda also been way cooler and sensible if the joker put the hit out on gordon instead.

 

[The_Raganork]

i definitely got the impression he was hired by wayne enterprises for some accounting business, he could maybe be a finance lawyer. but i found the character to be pretty pointless, his story served no purpose. not only do i find it hard to believe that wayne and fox just carelessly left around proof of batman's identity that could apparently be so easily discovered by a hired lawyer/accountant/consultant....but it also woulda also been way cooler and sensible if the joker put the hit out on gordon instead.

I get what you're saying; but, I think the Reese thing is there to cement that Joker in fact does NOT want to kill Batman. To see Joker try and have this guy killed for revealing Resse shows the audience that Joker was not kidding wen he said: "I don't want to Kill you...what would I do without you?"

Sure maybe they could have used another character to do it, a preexisting one; but, who could we change to make it that they were going to out Bruce?

 

[Marden]

As much as I loved the movie there was one thing I noticed that seemed wrong.

Gordon at the end says Two-Face killed five people or that five people are dead, two from them cops.

Now I know he killed that old cop, Maroni's driver and as it seems Maroni in the crash. But I thought he let Ramirez (or something like that) alive, though I could believe she died from that punch, which could have been too strong and then by hitting the ground badly.

Well, that's four, but who's the fifth? Or did I miss something?

 

[Bat-Mite]

i must've missed it,but at what point did lucius find out who batman was? and what happened to the guy who was gonna blackmail bruce wayne ?

It was heavily implied that he knew even during Batman Begins. After the highly televised police chase involving the tumbler, there would have been no room left for doubt, so there'd be no point in Bruce keeping up his little act around Fox. As for Reese, after the hospital blew up, there'd be no need for people to try to keep trying to kill him, so I don't think it really matters what happened to him. After what he's been through, and considering that Bruce saved his life, I doubt he'll be interested in squealing on Batman any time soon.

 

[JL Unlimited]

i definitely got the impression he was hired by wayne enterprises for some accounting business, he could maybe be a finance lawyer. but i found the character to be pretty pointless, his story served no purpose. not only do i find it hard to believe that wayne and fox just carelessly left around proof of batman's identity that could apparently be so easily discovered by a hired lawyer/accountant/consultant....but it also woulda also been way cooler and sensible if the joker put the hit out on gordon instead.

I agree with you to some extent but don't forget that Reese didn't notice anything odd the first time going through the numbers early in the movie. It was when Fox told him to go over the numbers again that he starting noticing things. I think that when Bruce poured a lot of money into the R&D department to work on the sonar technology, it put up a red flag for Reese to do some more snooping.

 

[JL Unlimited]

As much as I loved the movie there was one thing I noticed that seemed wrong.

Gordon at the end says Two-Face killed five people or that five people are dead, two from them cops.

Now I know he killed that old cop, Maroni's driver and as it seems Maroni in the crash. But I thought he let Ramirez (or something like that) alive, though I could believe she died from that punch, which could have been too strong and then by hitting the ground badly.

Well, that's four, but who's the fifth? Or did I miss something?

There's already a thread somewhere on this but here's my take on the five. The first person that Two-Face kills is Wuertz. Then, Two-face actually kills Maroni, his driver, and another henchman. In the scene when Maroni is walking to his car, if you watch the left side of the screen you see someone take out one of Maroni's men. It happens really quickly. The last person that he "kills" is Ramirez. He doesn't really kill her since the coin landed on it's good side but his punch knocks her unconcious and when she doesn't respond and Two-Face is telling Gordon all that he's done, Gordon assumes that she's dead as well.

 

[Marden]

I noticed that henchman being taken off the screen, but I wasn't sure if he killed him. Maybe he just gives the toss to people, who he wants to "punish" and those who stands in his way just dies. Well, that wouldn't explain why he gave the toss to the car driver... Meh, I'm just talking nonesense here. Let's say he gave toss to that henchman before he attacked him and it landed the bad side up.

 

[Boom]

"Five dead...two of 'em cops."

Wuertz, (possibly) Maroni, Maroni's driver, the third man with Maroni.

That's four, including one cop.

The only "plot hole" I noticed.

 

[unbanyuppi]

Spoiler

The whole entire police force should know harvey dent's gone bad! He didnt kill the hispanic lady cop!!! He just slapped her down, she knows he's gone evil.

 

[SuBe]

Huh, I didn't think about that.

 

[AlterEgo]

Well, she's corrupt isn't she

so she wouldn't tell anyone at the risk of someone finding out she is bad

 

[Shane Diesel]

Sounds like an loose end for the next film.

 

[KonkeyDong]

citizens 4 teh batman

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

"He didnt kill the hispanic lady cop!!!"

WOW you just gave me a laugh!

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

I don't think any cop really wants to incriminate themselves by saying they were allies with the joker in order to ruin harvey's life.

 

[Bishop]

I don't think any cop really wants to incriminate themselves by saying they were allies with the joker in order to ruin harvey's life.

sorta makes harvey's rampage sound justified...

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea i dont think she would say anything, she was the one in the wrong really. yea shes gotta pay her mums medical bills but just think if she got found out for being corrupt thats her income out the window.

 

[unbanyuppi]

wow this whole time im thinking shes a good guy

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

sorta makes harvey's rampage sound justified...

To some extent, it was. However it should have never got back to gordon, He had nothing to be blamed about.

he should have just gone after the guilty cops involved, harvey can't have any responsibility for them not saving her because the joker gave batman the wrong address and they acted accordingly...

 

[Motown Marvel]

I get what you're saying; but, I think the Reese thing is there to cement that Joker in fact does NOT want to kill Batman. To see Joker try and have this guy killed for revealing Resse shows the audience that Joker was not kidding wen he said: "I don't want to Kill you...what would I do without you?"

Sure maybe they could have used another character to do it, a preexisting one; but, who could we change to make it that they were going to out Bruce?

but that whole idea hardly warrants time being devoted to a whole new character, nor is the idea of it all that integral to the story and character themselves. its something that would not be missed if it didnt exist. i mean, if you want to show the joker doesnt want to kill batman, aside from him straight up saying it (which he did), then you dont have him kill batman. the audience will get it.

I agree with you to some extent but don't forget that Reese didn't notice anything odd the first time going through the numbers early in the movie. It was when Fox told him to go over the numbers again that he starting noticing things. I think that when Bruce poured a lot of money into the R&D department to work on the sonar technology, it put up a red flag for Reese to do some more snooping.

so all it takes is some extra snooping to discover blueprints for batmans identity? papers like the ones reese found would have been kept in a place where NO ONE but bruce has access to, like in the batcave (or whatever is being substituted for as much). it just seemed like weak writing to jump start an unnecessary plot line.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

well the scene involving reese and joker calling up the show to put a hit on him and threaten the hospitals is needed. all the cops were suited up ready to catch the joker where maroni said he'd be, but when he says hes going to blow up a hospital it deverts their attention

 

[JL Unlimited]

so all it takes is some extra snooping to discover blueprints for batmans identity? papers like the ones reese found would have been kept in a place where NO ONE but bruce has access to, like in the batcave (or whatever is being substituted for as much). it just seemed like weak writing to jump start an unnecessary plot line.

You can say the same about Batman Begins. The Tumbler and all of Batman's equipment weren't built solely by Lucius Fox. You would need a whole team of engineers, mechanics, etc. So, it'd be unrealistic for no one to notice the Tumbler pancaking cars on the evening news. Reese was used to show that it'd be tough to keep Batman's identity a secret especially when all of his equipment comes from a huge corporation.

Plus, I'm not sure if you ever worked in the corporate world but do you know how many files are stored in corporate offices? It's a lot. That's not counting all the files in storage. It would take months and months to go through everything unless you knew what you were looking for. The Tumbler was part of Applied Sciences, which had been shut down even before Batman Begins. Remember Lucius said that that department was a dead end so Reese would have never looked there when crunching numbers because he's more concerned with the operations side. Like I said, Bruce got careless when he put all that money in R&D, which threw a red flag to Reese to investigate.

Reese didn't lead to an unnecessary plot line. Joker's threat led to the hospital blowing up and distracted Gordon so Joker can escape after killing Lau and the Chechen.

 

[JL Unlimited]

^^^

To add to my post, Bruce got careless because the Joker made him desperate to find him. Bruce didn't want want to waste any more time covering his tracks, which would have led to more deaths.

 

[Motown Marvel]

well the scene involving reese and joker calling up the show to put a hit on him and threaten the hospitals is needed. all the cops were suited up ready to catch the joker where maroni said he'd be, but when he says hes going to blow up a hospital it deverts their attention

like i said prior, it would have not only been cooler, but far more relevant if joker put the hit out on gordon instead. theres far more interesting potential there, and despicable behavior on joker's behalf. it also would have resulted in a tighter film, something TDK was lacking.

You can say the same about Batman Begins. The Tumbler and all of Batman's equipment weren't built solely by Lucius Fox. You would need a whole team of engineers, mechanics, etc. So, it'd be unrealistic for no one to notice the Tumbler pancaking cars on the evening news.

certainly true. though, i dont think it'd be entirely inappropriate to take a suspension of beliefe/out of sight out of mind approach to this. but even still, wayne tech didnt build things like the tumbler out of habit. they were commissioned by the military for such technology, the military would have these blueprints as well. who's to say batman isnt actually someone with military affiliation? certainly that'd be far more likely than billionaire playboy bruce wayne.

Reese was used to show that it'd be tough to keep Batman's identity a secret especially when all of his equipment comes from a huge corporation.

which turned out to be a pretty fruitless and pointless plot line. it had little to nothing to do with anything else going on in the film, and it garnered such little and useless attention, it mind as well have been cut all together.

Plus, I'm not sure if you ever worked in the corporate world but do you know how many files are stored in corporate offices? It's a lot. That's not counting all the files in storage. It would take months and months to go through everything unless you knew what you were looking for. The Tumbler was part of Applied Sciences, which had been shut down even before Batman Begins. Remember Lucius said that that department was a dead end so Reese would have never looked there when crunching numbers because he's more concerned with the operations side. Like I said, Bruce got careless when he put all that money in R&D, which threw a red flag to Reese to investigate.

im pretty sure that bruce would have had no problem making the effort to extract all files, information, and proof that could tie him to batman. seeing as how important it would be to keep his secret identity, well, a secret.

Reese didn't lead to an unnecessary plot line. Joker's threat led to the hospital blowing up and distracted Gordon so Joker can escape after killing Lau and the Chechen.

and thats the ONLY tie reese has to the actual plot of the film. and that could have been exorcised by having the hit be put out on gordon. the results would have been far more effective.