The Official Previews Thread

i read that last scene TOTALLY wrong.

Jen, Jess, Peter and Luke all remember what happened. The others in the room don't. And if i remember right those four are the only ones in the room who had their memories refreshed by Layla...
 
Doc Destruction said:
How so? How else would we read that?

He just spent (what he thought) was a life spent with Gwen. Isn't it possible that he feels guilty about that? That he was sleeping with another woman? That he had a child with her?

And isn't it possible that he's just showing anger at being screwed with like this? To have a dead girlfriend given back to him, and then find out it's all an illusion? And it's not just Gwen. He had Uncle Ben and Capt Stacy taken from him again too. I think Pete can be a little bitter about it.

I don't see how you can read that scene and say that Pete woke up and said, "Oh crap, It's MJ."
 
Yeah, all the people in the room that remember were "refreshed" by layla in HOM. They seem to be the only ones that remember so far though so I have to wonder how this gets out, or at least how the big Sentinel programs get support if no one remembers.
 
Muze I see that your still loving bendis' work.
 
taskmaster said:
Muze I see that your still loving bendis' work.

more like i'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and he keeps proving me right. read that crap coming out of Parker's mouth? why does he stutter when he doesn't have to? why can't any of these heroes finish a dmn sentence?

"One minute we're in genosha fighting fighting just about everything and everyone--"

"How--wait--how are we here? We were just there. and now we're here."

my mind just shut down. make him stop.
 
Um,.. I don't see what's so hard to understand about them. The world is back do to Wanda (though not exactly the same). Peter is saddened and concerned about loosing Gwen again, and his uncle ben, and his son, etc. The people who were awakened by Layla remember what had happened, but those who didn't get awakened don't remember. And that's about all there is to it,... not that difficult people.

(and yet, they'll still complain at anything they get the chance to jump on)
 
i'm just complaining about the dialogue.
 
I'm not [too] confused about what's going on, I just think it's dumb. I mean...we knew for months and months -- from before this entire series even started, in fact -- that it was all going to end with an "It was all a dream!!" scenario, and I guess I was kinda hoping that having prior knowledge months in advance would help to lessen the dumbness of it all...but no, it's pretty much as dumb as I thought it was going to be:).
 
No, we complain because things like Wanda's kids and Gwen Stacey have BEEN DEALT WITH BEFORE.
 
Muze said:
i'm just complaining about the dialogue.

This one I can actually understand to a point

BrianWilly said:
I'm not [too] confused about what's going on, I just think it's dumb. I mean...we knew for months and months -- from before this entire series even started, in fact -- that it was all going to end with an "It was all a dream!!" scenario, and I guess I was kinda hoping that having prior knowledge months in advance would help to lessen the dumbness of it all...but no, it's pretty much as dumb as I thought it was going to be.

Um,.. no you didn't. You thought that it may end up as a dream, but you didn't know for sure... and thus far it hasn't ended in a dream. In order for it to be a dream it would have to have never happened and no one would remember it and it would have no repercussions. This did happen and is in 616 continuity, this will be remembered by a few and potentially more, and it will have repercussions of actually happening. I've also heard a hundred other theories that everyone clung to and would have claimed to have always believed if they would have happened. In truth, I think most people just look for someone else's idea, then run around like it was theirs if it turns out correct. And yes, we knew the House of M was going to go back to normal 616, but to say that it is lame that it had? Well that's just stupid... would you rather things have stayed House of M? And I know, some will say that they wish House of M would never have happened, then don't read it,.. and move on to the next storyline. If you don't want to read it,.. then don't. And if you aren't,.. then you have no right to complain about it. If you get on a message board where tons of theories are thrown out there, then get upset that one of them come true,.. then don't come to the message board, or read the theories. Because no matter how good the mystery or story is,.. someone can guess it,.. and it seems that everyone always claims to have been that person after it's been revealed.

Doc Destruction[/quote said:
No, we complain because things like Wanda's kids and Gwen Stacey have BEEN DEALT WITH BEFORE.

So you're upset that the story isn't completely original?

Neither is Age of Apocalypse, Neither is Jenkin's Sentry story, Neither are pretty much every story made over the past 20 years. Alan Moore's cult "Miracle Man" isn't even original in the slightest. Comics are a long running story, and with stuff that's had the biggest impacts,.. you know that it will be revisited. I don't know of a single original story that I've read in 15 or 20 years, none that would be labled as great anyhow. The only ones that may be unique are ones that can touch on touchy topics that couldn't be told until recently,.. and most of those I find to be trash myself.... but you don't see me going to forums about "Preacher" and just dogging it left and right to everyone that'll hear me. No,.. because I know people like it,.. and I want them to enjoy their comic. Anyhow,.. the only thing that I'd say House of M is really rehashing overly is something like the AoA,.. but the AoA had been done a thousand times before as well (in single issue stories called "What If", or Apocalyptic futures like in "Adventures of Cyclops and Phoenix" or "Days of Future's Past"),.. but yet,.. the AoA is counted as one of the great works of the X-Men's recent years. The Hulk's Future Imperfect story is counted as being great, god know how many "Vs Evil Self" stories have been done before, or dark futures. You show me a completely unique and original story and I'll shake you hand my friend. (or at least offer an apology)
 
AoA was brilliant, man...come on now.

NO ONE saw Xavier dying come from a mile away. I honestly had NO idea what was coming next.

What I meant with dealt with is that they had been rectified. As in, they confronted the issues and they moved past them. As in...why the hell are these issues again?
 
Oh, I loved AoA,.. (and I actually did see Xavier dieing coming)... but nonetheless, it was completely unoriginal.

And I don't know anything about Wanda's kids because I never really read Avengers durring that time,.. but this thing with Gwen doesn't affect anything that's been rectified. She was an important aspect of his life, thus, she will continue to be involved. He's been alright with her passing, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't still think about her,.. wonder what it would have been like if she would have lived. I don't know a single person who's lost a loved one that has ever completely gotten over it.... not one. To think that he'd want to spend a life with her is completely understandable...and if you want to dig further,.... after Sins Past,.. I think it makes perfect sense that he'd want to be with her,.. to be in a life where things did work out perfectly,.. etc. This isn't dealing with his losing Gwen,.. it's just involving her in the storyline in a place where it makes sense.
 
If you want to talk about original, don't look to IC either, as much as I'm loving it, I can't shake the feeling of Squadron Supreme.
 
Yeah,.. I know that one,.. thought of it too. And the whole Omac thing reminds me a lot of the Sentinel Programs in the X-Men.
 
OH,.. and to complete a thought I forgot to complete.... the point with the Age of Apocalypse thing was that even if it wasn't completely original,.. it can still be good when you don't just look for things to complain about. House of M has actually been pretty good,.. but people just look for things to complain. Just enjoy the comic,... if it isn't your thing... then wait for the next one... what pleasure do you (and by you I mean everyone) get by slandering someone's work,.. and something that others are really enjoying?
 
I'll give HoM one thing, had I not read spoilers the last few panels of issue 7 would have blown me away.
 
JewishHobbit said:
OH,.. and to complete a thought I forgot to complete.... the point with the Age of Apocalypse thing was that even if it wasn't completely original,.. it can still be good when you don't just look for things to complain about. House of M has actually been pretty good,.. but people just look for things to complain. Just enjoy the comic,... if it isn't your thing... then wait for the next one... what pleasure do you (and by you I mean everyone) get by slandering someone's work,.. and something that others are really enjoying?

I used to think like that. The Hype changed me. Although i try not to actually post any negative comments i do think ALOT more critically about what im reading.
 
I'll give HoM one thing, had I not read spoilers the last few panels of issue 7 would have blown me away.

I agree... I never would have saw Quicksilver as the "villain" had it not been for those here who run with the idea (among how many others). Frankly, partly due to things like that,.. and the overall negativaty, I'm wrestling with leaving the boards. I liked it better back when I was a kid and had to eagerly look forward to each issue to figure out what's going on... not get on here and have everyone tell me what's going to happen,.. and then go on for pages as to why it's the stupidest thing they've ever heard.
 
Nightwolf said:
I used to think like that. The Hype changed me. Although i try not to actually post any negative comments i do think ALOT more critically about what im reading.

I don't let myself... and if I do find myself thinking like that,.. I step back and read some old comics I loved as a kid and remind myself why I'm reading them. Then I move on to enjoy today's comics just as much.
 
I've thought about leaving the boards for a while too. While I was gone from here, my mom delivered all of my comics to the place I was working at out of town. This meant that the only time I ever saw any of them was once they landed in my hands. I twisted and turned until I could see more. Being here though, makes me wonder about what I'm doing to myself. Of course, comicbook companies need to work on keeping things a secret these days and just not talking about it until it's time. They keep giving us ammo, because we provide the guns.
This is why Neil Gaiman is always so vague in his interviews about the comics he's working on. It's why this whole Stephen King thing is so important to me. They stayed quiet about that for as long as they could even though we all knew what was up with it before they came clean.
The magick is in the mystery. If there's something I don't want spoiled for myself, then I don't read anything about it on these boards. It's good to talk about what's happening as it's happening BUT I hate the pessimism some people approach these storylines with. Of course, you have to take the good with the bad.
 
JewishHobbit said:
I agree... I never would have saw Quicksilver as the "villain" had it not been for those here who run with the idea (among how many others). Frankly, partly due to things like that,.. and the overall negativaty, I'm wrestling with leaving the boards. I liked it better back when I was a kid and had to eagerly look forward to each issue to figure out what's going on... not get on here and have everyone tell me what's going to happen,.. and then go on for pages as to why it's the stupidest thing they've ever heard.
Selective reading of the boards is important, there's some good stuff here, but the majority of it is fan *****ing, I come to disscuss comics I love, and leave it at that.
 
I try that myself,.. it's just that when I'm such a huge fan of the X-Men, New Avengers, and other criticized titles.... well.... criticism is about all people will give.

But I'll stop now... and I do apologize for hijacking the thread. It's just something that's bothered me for a while now, and when I saw the preview for HoM 8, I got excited and read it and thought, "Cool... so that's how it's going to start"... then there's just criticism after criticism... it just kinda got to me.

(I've had a rough week, some here know why, but I'll try to stop taking it out on the boards. Have a nice night (or day).)

Your furry footed friend
JewishHobbit
 
JewishHobbit said:
I try that myself,.. it's just that when I'm such a huge fan of the X-Men, New Avengers, and other criticized titles.... well.... criticism is about all people will give.

But I'll stop now... and I do apologize for hijacking the thread. It's just something that's bothered me for a while now, and when I saw the preview for HoM 8, I got excited and read it and thought, "Cool... so that's how it's going to start"... then there's just criticism after criticism... it just kinda got to me.

(I've had a rough week, some here know why, but I'll try to stop taking it out on the boards. Have a nice night (or day).)

Your furry footed friend
JewishHobbit

It's cool man...
 

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