The Official PS4 Thread - Part 1

[Havok83]

To re quote this again I have to say I find it kind of like "wanting your cake and eating it too".

People for years did nothing but complain about the price of the PS3. Now I never minded it because of the factors:

-It had a blu-ray player (by themselves at launch they cost 800 bucks)
-It had wi-fi (which again to buy on the 360 in the first few years cost 150 bucks)
-It had BC pretty much a PS2 and PS1 in it, which again cost quite a bit of money.

Now people say make multiple SKU's and have one with BC? Really that is what made people freak out to begin with. It won't matter about multiple SKU's people will look at the most expensive one and go "no way".

I see now why almost all the critics/podcasts I've listened to say BC is really not that important.

the PS3 has always come out in multiple SKUs. When they dropped the price to $249 and had a version for $349 with a larger HDD and Move or $299 and larger HDD, people didn't automatically just look at the most expensive one and went "no way". The $249 became the standard that was talked about and purchased with the more expensive ones being high end and unnecessary to most. I don't see why that would have to be different for a BC model

 

[StrainedEyes]

They offered a hell of a lot more dude. They also offered up to $1 million in identity theft protection and subscribed services were compensated as well. And do you think that Microsoft is hack proof? No they aren't. Xbox Live has been hacked as well, but unlike Sony, Microsoft refuses to acknowledge it. And unlike the Sony hack, Xbox Live users were affected financially by their accounts getting hacked.

And the free games that PlayStation Plus offers beyond the Welcome Back program have been pretty damn good selections.

The MS stuff wasn't a hack, it was social engineering to get access to accounts, which were then used to buy FIFA cards. It was still a problem, but it wasn't due to the technical security of the service. It was due to people with bad passwords/secret answers and poor customer service checks.

 

[The Squirrel]

It's debatable if XBL is a better experience. Especially since it's one of the largest scams pulled on gamers. Charging for service that are free everywhere else.

 

[Doc Ock]

It's debatable if XBL is a better experience. Especially since it's one of the largest scams pulled on gamers. Charging for service that are free everywhere else.

Yes. PC, Wii, Wii U, PS2, DS, 3DS, DreamcastD), all free.

 

[The Squirrel]

Yes. PC, Wii, Wii U, PS2, DS, 3DS, DreamcastD), all free.

That's not counting all the apps that come on phones or blu-ray players, and even tv's now for free.

 

[Iceman]

To re quote this again I have to say I find it kind of like "wanting your cake and eating it too".

People for years did nothing but complain about the price of the PS3. Now I never minded it because of the factors:

-It had a blu-ray player (by themselves at launch they cost 800 bucks)
-It had wi-fi (which again to buy on the 360 in the first few years cost 150 bucks)
-It had BC pretty much a PS2 and PS1 in it, which again cost quite a bit of money.

Now people say make multiple SKU's and have one with BC? Really that is what made people freak out to begin with. It won't matter about multiple SKU's people will look at the most expensive one and go "no way".

I see now why almost all the critics/podcasts I've listened to say BC is really not that important.

PS3 was good value just for being a really good blu-ray player at the time. Not anymore but back then it was competent within a good home cinema system.

 

[TX85]

That's not counting all the apps that come on phones or blu-ray players, and even tv's now for free.

Plus tablets

 

[misjuevos]

as long as i can still play online free, i'm happy.

 

[Solidus]

the PS3 has always come out in multiple SKUs. When they dropped the price to $249 and had a version for $349 with a larger HDD and Move or $299 and larger HDD, people didn't automatically just look at the most expensive one and went "no way". The $249 became the standard that was talked about and purchased with the more expensive ones being high end and unnecessary to most. I don't see why that would have to be different for a BC model

At launch they do, especially at launch. It's psychological with early adopters and it spreads fear. The PS3 had it's 500 dollar version but still people complained to high heaven even though in features and BC it had over the 360.

At launch now they don't want to re-do that mistake. There will be multiple SKU's but the BC especially with the cell processor will be WAAAY more expensive then the PS2 chipset was to put in the PS3 BC back in the day.

PS3 was good value just for being a really good blu-ray player at the time. Not anymore but back then it was competent within a good home cinema system.

Well yes but we are talking launch. Now the PS3 is much much cheaper.

 

[Havok83]

At launch now they don't want to re-do that mistake. There will be multiple SKU's but the BC especially with the cell processor will be WAAAY more expensive then the PS2 chipset was to put in the PS3 BC back in the day.

then why not have at least PS1 and PS2 BC in this? Those would not be significantly expensive to have in this

 

[Solidus]

then why not have at least PS1 and PS2 BC in this? Those would not be significantly expensive to have in this

No but again it's still a cost, they are trying to convert people to the digital world. Because next gen that is most likely all there will be.

 

[misjuevos]

another thing i always loved about ps3 was the controller life. i still have the original rumbleless controller, and it works. i got and use a dualshock 3 when it came out, but the other is for guest, but it still works. the dualshock 3 i never had to worry about batteries for it, just charge it and it's good to go.

 

[Benstamania]

Just give me party chat... If I get party chat and they keep it free... Then great!

 

[B]

Sigh. Again, the source that was 100% right a month before this entire thing and had all the specs for the PS4 has them for the XBOX 3 and those are the specs. Maybe (just maybe) there may be some wrong with it, but very very doubtful, IGN/Kotoku said it is a very very reliable source. So no I will bet that the X3 will be less powerful then the PS4.

But again (for a 3rd time) I've not made any comments on what the performance will be like PS4 vs 720 because there is nothing concrete to say until there is a hands on with both systems.

You asked me why I felt the 360 was better than the PS3 & my answer was that the 360 has better performance.

However, lets not forget, all the talk before the PS3/360 were released was of how much more powerful the PS3 is than the 360, yet performance on a variety of games is much better on the less powerful machine. Until you can get the 2 systems side by side, with the same game, doing the same things, then the specs of the systems are just numbers on a page.

But the thing is you said you are going with XBOX 3 again.....well you don't even know if Live 2.0 will be better then PSN 2.0. That is what sparked this whole debate. Right now Sony is showing way way way more it can do with PSN. Maybe Live can match it....maybe surpass it (doubtful without a cloud service) but that's the point. You compared it first to the PS3. You acted like the PSN of hte PS4 was going to be the same as the PS3's so that means you will by an X3 instead.....that is how this got started to to me I'm saying with the facts we have now, that is not a decision you should make right off the bat. You have no idea if Live will be better then PSN 2.0 so that's my whole point.

You've misunderstood completely. I've not made any decisions, my comment was that when the next generation of consoles hit, I'm more than likely going to jump from Sony to Microsoft full time. Not because I am saying that the next 720 console will be more powerful or that the Live 2 will be better than the PSN 2 because I surmise the difference between the 2 will be quite minimal, but simply because I enjoyed my gaming & entertainment experience moreso when using the 360 than I have the PS3. It's the same reason I kept buying the new Playstations & didn't go for things like the GameCube, Wii & other systems released, I was happy with my previous Playstation 1/2 experiences so I bought the next generation.

Do I own an 360/PS3....yes.

I have owned :

NES
SNES
Sega Gensis
Sega Gamegear
Gameboy
PS1
PS2
PS3
Xbox
Xbox 360
Gameboy Color
GBA Advanced
PSP
Gamecube
N64
Wii
WiiU
Sega Dreamcast

And many PC's including some Alienware's back in the day.

I bought all these at launch minus the Gameboy/NES.

So ya....lol I've played a lot. in the past 24 years.

Nice, my favourite consoles will always be the 2 I can remember using the most growing up, Sega Megadrive & the SNES t:

 

[Iceman]

It's debatable if XBL is a better experience. Especially since it's one of the largest scams pulled on gamers. Charging for service that are free everywhere else.

Charging has nothing to do with whether it's a better experience. I don't think anyone's even claiming that it isn't better, just that PSN has unarguably improved massively since launch.

And companies are free to charge for entertainment however they want really. If they are wrong they do badly & deserve to do badly. Who would have thought we would be paying the equivalent of £600-700 for a phone a few years ago? Really I think Sony missed a trick by not charging. They'd have made all the money they are going to make on the PS4 consoles (before the massive costs which by themselves will wipe it out anyway) just from charging for PS3 online services.

 

[Havok83]

No but again it's still a cost, they are trying to convert people to the digital world. Because next gen that is most likely all there will be.

The PS4 is so much more advance than a PS1 and PS2, that it shouldn't need to have that hardware built in. It should be able to emulate both via software at no additional cost.

 

[Iceman]

The PS4 is so much more advance than a PS1 and PS2, that it shouldn't need to have that hardware built in. It should be able to emulate both via software at no additional cost.

Yeah, it's just PS3 which is difficult to emulate because of the tech used.

 

[Solidus]

You've misunderstood completely. I've not made any decisions, my comment was that when the next generation of consoles hit, I'm more than likely going to jump from Sony to Microsoft full time. Not because I am saying that the next 720 console will be more powerful or that the Live 2 will be better than the PSN 2 because I surmise the difference between the 2 will be quite minimal, but simply because I enjoyed my gaming & entertainment experience moreso when using the 360 than I have the PS3. It's the same reason I kept buying the new Playstations & didn't go for things like the GameCube, Wii & other systems released, I was happy with my previous Playstation 1/2 experiences so I bought the next generation.

Still though that is not a basis necessarily to do so. You were happy with your PS1 and PS2 but unhappy with the PS3. So what's to say you being happy with your 360 means you will really be happy with your X3? They could make a massive misstep for all you know.

But I will buy both most likely. But Sony has always been my main platform for years.

 

[Solidus]

The PS4 is so much more advance than a PS1 and PS2, that it shouldn't need to have that hardware built in. It should be able to emulate both via software at no additional cost.

The software still could cost them money to even build. But I'm not Sony. The reason they see it is its not important to them. They want you to buy them digitally now. I'm sure MS will too. Just like DLC (most is a rip IMO) they have found ways to make more money.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Those are the type of person that doesn't really matter in this situation. Those people would be happy to pay for the best PS3 games? Luckily those that skipped out on the PS3 this gen will get that opportunity to purchase them for the first time when Sony resells them on PSN (and that's likely going to happen). You aren't missing out on anything. Its those that already have PS3 and built up quite a library who have the most to worry about this as they will likely have to repurchase everything to be able to use them on the system, much like what was done with the PS2 games in the latter half of this gen

Oh okay then add me to the "BC doesn't matter" crowd. lolz

So how much do we know about PSN for the PS4?

 

[Doc Ock]

The PS4 is so much more advance than a PS1 and PS2, that it shouldn't need to have that hardware built in. It should be able to emulate both via software at no additional cost.

If thats the case, I would be pretty happy about that!

 

[B]

Half the crap you mentioned doesn't even deal with online gaming. Do you really think that Sony isn't going to try and not get ESPN, Vevo, etc? Already they're expanding with the PS4 with Epix confirmed. I would be shocked and astonished not to see the offerings expand tremendously.

As for the gaming stuff you mention, Sony is already rectifying it with the PS4's PSN.

Half the crap I mentioned? Well I only mentioned 'that crap' because you asked me what services do Live offer that the PSN doesn't.

The PS3/PS4/360/720 are no longer simply gaming consoles, they are home entertainment systems which is why features beyond the 1 or 2 good game exclusives each company has should interest you.

They offered a hell of a lot more dude. They also offered up to $1 million in identity theft protection and subscribed services were compensated as well. And do you think that Microsoft is hack proof? No they aren't. Xbox Live has been hacked as well, but unlike Sony, Microsoft refuses to acknowledge it. And unlike the Sony hack, Xbox Live users were affected financially by their accounts getting hacked.

And the free games that PlayStation Plus offers beyond the Welcome Back program have been pretty damn good selections.

You mean the identity theft protection that was only offered for 1 year? In theory, anyone that has had access to any of the hacked details of the users could still have millions of users credit cards, names, addresses, e-mails, dob, phone numbers, passwords etc from PSN users. I'm sure someone has had their identity stolen as a result of the PSN outage.

Microsoft isn't hack proof & has been hacked several times, although not to the scale that Sony was hacked.

Go on then, throw a few big name titles at me that the PSN offered completely free to non-subscribers.

 

[The Squirrel]

Hey look, an X-Box fanboy, lol. I'm sure trying to argue with him will be productive.

 

[Havok83]

The software still could cost them money to even build. But I'm not Sony. The reason they see it is its not important to them. They want you to buy them digitally now. I'm sure MS will too. Just like DLC (most is a rip IMO) they have found ways to make more money.

Its not like they would have to pay for the software in each system sold. Its included in the firmware and not a recurring fee that's added to production. Even if it doesn't come at launch, hopefully this is something they would consider in a firmware update down the line. I doubt it, but it would be nice

 

[Solidus]

Its not like they would have to pay for the software in each system sold. Its included in the firmware and not a recurring fee that's added to production. Even if it doesn't come at launch, hopefully this is something they would consider in a firmware update down the line. I doubt it, but it would be nice

I agree it would be nice. But I guess we shall see. Maybe some surprises at E3? Or GDC.