The Official PS4 Thread - Part 1

[Nathan]

I hope FFXIV is going to be launch title for the PS4. There'd already be one MMO. Hopefully they really did improve the game.

 

[zenith16]

I have a feeling more people are looking more forward to what "versus" has to offer. out of all the FF's with the Ps4 . seeing it was making that FF MMO that put them in alot of trouble in the first place and had XIII be the stall devise for that mistake in a way as well.

Hopefully "Versus" is shown as was stated at e3. Along with last Guardian.

 

[Fading]

I dunno...But when Blizzard came out on stage at the Sony conference...I just "felt" like we'd see one of their MMO's on the console. Be it WoW or a new one..

WoW won't be coming to consoles at this point. Even though they could handle WoW it's just been around too long, and has too many expansions already. Though I think Blizz is working on another MMO. If that one is made to work on consoles from the start, it very well could. I don't blame you for thinking that though. When a developer that hasn't been friendly to a particular console, or consoles at all, appears on stage, it's hard not to let your mind race with what they're going to reveal.

I hope FFXIV is going to be launch title for the PS4. There'd already be one MMO. Hopefully they really did improve the game.

FFXIV is just a mess at this point, it's hard to tell. I've read that the improvements they did for the PC version helped a lot. I've also heard that it was supposed to have gotten another PS3 release date (which I think already passed). Square needs to make some money off of it soon since it's gotten such negative press, and doing bad on subscriptions. So the question is, do they go ahead and release it on PS3 (given it's graphics level, and the PS3 hardware, that's probably still something they're having trouble with). Which, given how it's been treated, might not sell well at this point in time. Or do they abandon probably a years worth of work, and just put the effort into a PS4 release. Hoping that enough time will have passed, that they can pass it off as something new.

I'm sure it was an expensive game to make, and Square are still banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out what to do with it. It's kinda like the FF movie all over again.

 

[zenith16]

FFXIV is just a mess at this point, it's hard to tell. I've read that the improvements they did for the PC version helped a lot. I've also heard that it was supposed to have gotten another PS3 release date (which I think already passed). Square needs to make some money off of it soon since it's gotten such negative press, and doing bad on subscriptions. So the question is, do they go ahead and release it on PS3 (given it's graphics level, and the PS3 hardware, that's probably still something they're having trouble with). Which, given how it's been treated, might not sell well at this point in time. Or do they abandon probably a years worth of work, and just put the effort into a PS4 release. Hoping that enough time will have passed, that they can pass it off as something new.

I'm sure it was an expensive game to make, and Square are still banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out what to do with it. It's kinda like the FF movie all over again.

In this case it was twice(I should say 3 times ) as expensive as your normal MMO. Cause they are obsessed with graphic's for one thing too.


Cause they not only had to make it the first time around and it lost customer's the first time around as we know the reason why that happened. but they went around having to fix it as a Realm reborn. so yeah....

I think they just want to concentration with putting out "Versus" on the ps4 and see if they can make a hit off that first and for most. that doesn't mean that they are putting a realm reborn is off the table for them, it's just not a priority.

 

[UnionJack]

For all the negatives aimed at those guys (most of which I agree with lol), the people who play almost exclusively CoD all year round are probably getting $137 of value out of that disc. t:

Couldn't think of anything worse than that turd day-in-day-out.

 

[Nathan]

It's really frustrating when you have a friend you used to play games with, and he plays nothing but CoD anymore.

 

[UnionJack]

It's really frustrating when you have a friend you used to play games with, and he plays nothing but CoD anymore.

I've a mate like that on XBox, all she does is FPS, which I don't mind but come at least mix it up and see what gaming is all about.

I'm not a fan on multiplay or online anyway, I want a good story.

 

[Iceman]

Couldn't think of anything worse than that turd day-in-day-out.

Would bore the hell out of me. CoD is much better than average shooters but nowhere near as good as you'd expect from the best selling multiplayer shooter out there. I think they'll get found out if for eg BF keeps improving and includes more CoD-like modes along with its classic stuff.

 

[TX85]

I like COD But prefer BF much more,I've canceled my COD:Ghosts pre-order and will be renting it via Gamefly instead while I will defiantly be buying BF4..Which means something since I've started buying/owing just a few games per year!!

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

It might just be me but I'm somewhat irritated that some people (elsewhere) are complaining about games still coming out for the PS3 as this affects me. It's not my fault that they want to trade in/sell their PS3 or Xbox for a PS4 on the day that the PS4 comes out. That's what I think is driving this notion, and the lack of backwards compatibility (on day one) for the PS4.

 

[Destructus86]

I'm tired of shooting games. The occasional is good as long as it's really cinematic (like Killzone) But all in all, I want a lot more variety in my gaming experience...which is why my PS3 gets more use than my 360.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

PS3 is finishing with a diverse line-up of exclusives* this year and next

Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time
God of War: Ascension
The Last of Us
Gran Turismo 6
Beyond: Two Souls
Rain
Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
Tales of Xillia
Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD Remaster **
Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX **
Tales of Symphonia Chronicles **
Tales of Xillia 2 ****
Guacamelee
The Last Guardian ***
...probably lots of other stuff

* some may also appear on the PS Vita
** remasters of old games in HD
*** announced in the distant past for PS3
**** released in Japan, no release announced outside Japan yet

 

[Destructus86]

PS3 is finishing with a diverse line-up of exclusives this year and next

Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time
God of War: Ascension
The Last of Us
Gran Turismo 5
Beyond Two Souls
Tales of Xillia
Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD Remaster
Tales of Symphonia Chronicles
The Last Guardian (?)
Final Fantasy Versus XIII (?)
Guacamelee
...probably lot of stuff I'm forgetting

RAIN!

I'm sure it's not going to be a massive hit...but I am super excited for Rain. It looks fantastic!!

 

[Iceman]

RAIN!

I'm sure it's not going to be a massive hit...but I am super excited for Rain. It looks fantastic!!

What exactly is RAIN? I saw something for it the other day but don't know what kind of game it is.

 

[UnionJack]

I like COD But prefer BF much more,I've canceled my COD:Ghosts pre-order and will be renting it via Gamefly instead while I will defiantly be buying BF4..Which means something since I've started buying/owing just a few games per year!!

I had CoDWM3 and tried Blops but got bored.
Enjoyed BF as that had planes and other stuff to play with, FPS wise I like Crysis, Resistance and Killzone as that add's something different, than just shoot those that aren't American.

Also while I'm happy that my PS3 still has some life in it, it also means moving stuff around on my desk to keep it (my Xbox is getting traded for sure, bloody waste of money) until I have finished all the games I want to play on it.
Would be wonderful for backwards compatibility/space/extra trade in cash .. but I can live it for awhile.

 

[SpideyVille]

I've never ever been a fan of FPS, but I did play MW2 and MW3 and they weren't bad games. I tried Black Ops, and while it didn't catch me either, I realize that my whole thing against CoD in general is that its more of a MP game and there are minimal improvements at best. For a franchise that is supposed to be the best-selling right now, I kind of expected something more.

With that said, in terms of FPS, I've come to really like games like Borderlands and Far Cry 3 that let you do more than just shoot bullets.

 

[Thundercrack85]

PS3 is finishing with a diverse line-up of exclusives this year and next

Sly Cooper: Thieves In Time
God of War: Ascension
The Last of Us
Gran Turismo 6
Beyond Two Souls
Tales of Xillia
Final Fantasy X|X-2 HD Remaster
Tales of Symphonia Chronicles
The Last Guardian (?)
Final Fantasy Versus XIII (?)
Guacamelee
...probably lots of other stuff

You know it's funny, the games that really push a console's abilities generally don't come out until the console is near (or at) the end of its life.

So it'll probably be 2018 before we see a game that really pushes what the PS4 can handle.

 

[SpideyVille]

You know it's funny, the games that really push a console's abilities generally don't come out until the console is near (or at) the end of its life.

So it'll probably be 2018 before we see a game that really pushes what the PS4 can handle.

I don't know, I think most of it has to do with the fact that developers are constantly learning how to do more. I mean, when Uncharted came out in 2007, there was talk about how much they pushed the PS3 back then, but then Uncharted 2 blew people away even more, and just when you thought it couldn't get better, Uncharted 3 came out and looked fantastic. Now ND is coming out with The Last of Us which is supposed to look every better. So its just a natural cycle of things just getting better as more time passes on. Its not like developers are waiting 5 years before they decide to push things to the max.

 

[UnionJack]

I've never ever been a fan of FPS, but I did play MW2 and MW3 and they weren't bad games. I tried Black Ops, and while it didn't catch me either, I realize that my whole thing against CoD in general is that its more of a MP game and there are minimal improvements at best. For a franchise that is supposed to be the best-selling right now, I kind of expected something more.

With that said, in terms of FPS, I've come to really like games like Borderlands and Far Cry 3 that let you do more than just shoot bullets.

Same as me, I hate the multiplay focus on games and the general "community" is has around it.

I wouldn't call Far Cry 3 and FPS more a first person action adventure.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I don't know, I think most of it has to do with the fact that developers are constantly learning how to do more. I mean, when Uncharted came out in 2007, there was talk about how much they pushed the PS3 back then, but then Uncharted 2 blew people away even more, and just when you thought it couldn't get better, Uncharted 3 came out and looked fantastic. Now ND is coming out with The Last of Us which is supposed to look every better. So its just a natural cycle of things just getting better as more time passes on. Its not like developers are waiting 5 years before they decide to push things to the max.

Well I am told that the PS3 was the least designer friendly console.

I'm sure that's learning process is a big part of it though. Either way it's going to take years for the best games to come out.

So I'll probably be picking up a PS3 this christmas. And a PS4, sometime around 2017.

 

[Fading]

I don't know, I think most of it has to do with the fact that developers are constantly learning how to do more. I mean, when Uncharted came out in 2007, there was talk about how much they pushed the PS3 back then, but then Uncharted 2 blew people away even more, and just when you thought it couldn't get better, Uncharted 3 came out and looked fantastic. Now ND is coming out with The Last of Us which is supposed to look every better. So its just a natural cycle of things just getting better as more time passes on. Its not like developers are waiting 5 years before they decide to push things to the max.

Yeah, technology advances, and developers learn how to do more with less. There are launch titles that end up as bigger resource hogs than some games at the mid, to end point of the consoles life cycle. By the end cycle they're much more familiar with the hardware, and have more advanced tools at their disposal.


One good point that Gameinformer made is that even a lot of pretty PC games aren't truly nextgen yet. Simply because many are still developed with PS3 and the 360 in mind. They may have high graphics settings, but they're still built with lesser hardware in mind. By the end of next gen the graphics will probably be pretty mind blowing, but I don't expect much from the earlier games (they will be a leap, but not a huge one off the bat).

It's the other things that current PS3 and 360 hardware won't allow that will be the real kick. Improve AI, physics, amount of objects and NPC's allowed on the screen, ways character models are allowed to move, destructible environments, ect. Not to mention what someone like Kojima can pull off with the share feature, or the controllers speaker. As well as the things outside of the game itself like cloud, or the ability to multitask programs being utilized. With consoles coming closer to PC's, they don't have to design games in quite as limited, narrow way anymore.

 

[SpideyVille]

Same as me, I hate the multiplay focus on games and the general "community" is has around it.

I wouldn't call Far Cry 3 and FPS more a first person action adventure.

Yeah, I much prefer great solo games in general, which is why I wish they would do more with CoD's campaign. But I guess they just fell like most people just skip straight through to MP.

And yeah, it wasn't so much a shooter as it was an adventure game, and I think that's the big thing I learned about FP games. While I was never a fan of them, I did learn to enjoy certain games like Skyrim and Deus Ex. But overall, I still prefer games where I can see my character, and if I can customize their looks, even better.

Well I am told that the PS3 was the least designer friendly console.

I'm sure that's learning process is a big part of it though. Either way it's going to take years for the best games to come out.

So I'll probably be picking up a PS3 this christmas. And a PS4, sometime around 2017.

Yeah, the PS3 was harder for most developers to work on, hence why Skyrim for PS3 was so broken that they didn't try to do the DLC for it for a while.

But don't confuse "Best" with "Better". Right now I'm playing Mass Effect for the first time on PS3, and its pretty slid for a game that came out in 2007. But had I never played ME2 or ME3 prior to this, I'd probably rank it pretty high on my favorites list. Not to mention, a lot of people still view Uncharted 2 as the best game of the Franchise, and probably even the best game on PS3 ever, and that came out just about halfway into the console's life. It also doesn't hurt that its an exclusive, so Naughty Dog was designing it specifically for the PS3 and wasn't having to worry about creating two separate but similar versions for different consoles.

 

[Havok83]

IA that Uncharted 2 was the best game in the franchise and I think ranks up there as one of the PS3's top 5 games

 

[SpideyVille]

Yeah, technology advances, and developers learn how to do more with less. There are launch titles that end up as bigger resource hogs than some games at the mid, to end point of the consoles life cycle. By the end cycle they're much more familiar with the hardware, and have more advanced tools at their disposal.


One good point that Gameinformer made is that even a lot of pretty PC games are truly nextgen yet. Simply because many are still developed with PS3 and the 360 in mind. They may have high graphics settings, but they're still built with lesser hardware in mind. By the end of next gen the graphics will probably be pretty mind blowing, but I don't expect much from the earlier games (they will be a leap, but not a huge one off the bat).

It's the other things that current PS3 and 360 hardware won't allow that will be the real kick. Improve AI, physics, amount of objects and NPC's allowed on the screen, ways character models are allowed to move, destructible environments, ect. Not to mention what someone like Kojima can pull off with the share feature, or the controllers speaker. As well as the things outside of the game itself like cloud, or the ability to multitask programs being utilized. With consoles coming closer to PC's, they don't have to design games in quite as limited, narrow way anymore.

Yeah, I'm not really all that well versed in tech speak, but I do expect that the thing we'll be seeing more of in next gen won't necessarily be graphics, but rather bigger worlds, or more activity like you said. Like Uncharted looked amazing, but it was in a linear world, but something like Tomb Raider was in an open world and it looked amazing. However, the character design may have suffered a bit in Tomb Raider, whereas it was much more stronger in Uncharted since it wasn't changing and because it was exclusively on PS3.

 

[Two-Face]

Yet I'm still playing U2 more than U1 or U3 because it was first two games I bought for my PS3 (BAA & U2) I intend to keep my PS3.