The Official PS4 Thread - Part 6

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AND, don't forget, those sony dumbasses allowed for a Ps3 port of the game as well.
I think you are very wrong about that. Its more like the other way around. I dont have anything concrete to back this up but Im nearly certain that LBP3 was always envisioned as a PS3 game and Sony allowed them to port it to the PS4 simply when they realized they had nothing original coming this holiday season besides Drive Club which itself is a delayed launch title. The fact that it has content thats fully compatible with all the other titles seems to suggest that this was created first with the PS3 in mind and I bet the decision to make a PS4 version happened earlier this year, likely after a number of factors including The Order 1886's delay into next year. Its announcement as well seemed to happen relatively late if it was a PS4 title first. LBP isnt exactly a title that pushes the hardware so scaling things up to throw a PS4 version out there as well wouldnt have been much work for the developers to handle
 
I think you are very wrong about that. Its more like the other way around. I dont have anything concrete to back this up but Im nearly certain that LBP3 was always envisioned as a PS3 game and Sony allowed them to port it to the PS4 simply when they realized they had nothing original coming this holiday season besides Drive Club which itself is a delayed launch title. The fact that it has content thats fully compatible with all the other titles seems to suggest that this was created first with the PS3 in mind and I bet the decision to make a PS4 version happened earlier this year, likely after a number of factors including The Order 1886's delay into next year. Its announcement as well seemed to happen relatively late if it was a PS4 title first. LBP isnt exactly a title that pushes the hardware so scaling things up to throw a PS4 version out there as well wouldnt have been much work for the developers to handle

I think you are very wrong about that, even if you are right about LBP3 originally being a Ps3 game but I think you're wrong about that as well.

First of all, we heard about the game being in development by Sumo Digital in the middle of last year, after the announcement of Ps4.

http://www.geek.com/games/littlebig...by-sumo-digital-but-is-it-a-ps4-game-1558020/

The only other 1st party game for playstation that was released for Ps3 after that point that I can think of is GT6, and THAT was also a huge mistake, especially with driveclub being delayed.

Okay, and even if you're right about LBP3 being originally which yes it's totally possible, if Sony was smart they'd have SD cancel the Ps3 version and continue on with only the Ps4 version of the game. And that wouldn't have stopped all the backward compatibility from happening since the Ps4 version by itself CAN play all the old levels, or at least I think they said it can. There's absolutely 0 reason to come out with a new LBP game for Ps3 after the Ps4's been announced.

And Sony wanted you to think that LBP was one of those games that did in fact take advantage of the Ps3's cell processor like Uncharted, God of War, and Killzone.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/10/devs-say-little-big-planet-not-possible-on-the-360/

but I KNOW there has to be ******** around that statement here or there because they made a PSP port. and there's NO WAY the PsP is more powerful than the 360 -_-
 
can you use any Bluetooth remote with the PS4?
 
I think you are very wrong about that, even if you are right about LBP3 originally being a Ps3 game but I think you're wrong about that as well.

First of all, we heard about the game being in development by Sumo Digital in the middle of last year, after the announcement of Ps4.

http://www.geek.com/games/littlebig...by-sumo-digital-but-is-it-a-ps4-game-1558020/
Sony never announced it till this year's E3. That link was simply someone pointing out what was listed in someone's resume (which ended up being true), but there was no announcement of sorts from Sony till a year later. If it truly was a PS4 title at that point, I firmly beleive they would revealed it as such sometime last year.

The only other 1st party game for playstation that was released for Ps3 after that point that I can think of is GT6, and THAT was also a huge mistake, especially with driveclub being delayed.
MLB: The Show '14 came out earlier this year. Besides LBP3 is not a first party game; its second party

Okay, and even if you're right about LBP3 being originally which yes it's totally possible, if Sony was smart they'd have SD cancel the Ps3 version and continue on with only the Ps4 version of the game. And that wouldn't have stopped all the backward compatibility from happening since the Ps4 version by itself CAN play all the old levels, or at least I think they said it can. There's absolutely 0 reason to come out with a new LBP game for Ps3 after the Ps4's been announced.
Which would have been incredibly foolish. While IA the game should be PS4 only, if it was in fact being developed for the PS3 for nearly a year, it would be stupid to just throw all that work away in order to focus on adapting it for PS4 only. You know how much they stood to lose if that were the case? By keeping it a PS3 release as well, they increase the amount of potential sales for the game. Doesnt help people move on from the PS3 to PS4, but it does give them something to buy, which is ultimately more money in Sony's profits which they can use to support the PS4 or whatever they decide to do. There's a ying and yang to every decision and money tends to drive most of these business decisions.

And Sony wanted you to think that LBP was one of those games that did in fact take advantage of the Ps3's cell processor like Uncharted, God of War, and Killzone.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/10/devs-say-little-big-planet-not-possible-on-the-360/

but I KNOW there has to be ******** around that statement here or there because they made a PSP port. and there's NO WAY the PsP is more powerful than the 360 -_-
Ultimately who cares? You seemed obsessed with what one company says about possibilities on another system. They specifically site the HDD as a limiting factor and back in 2008, a HDD wasnt standard on the 360 and MS had strict rules for how the ones that did have a HDD could utilize it. They say LBP on the 360 would be a different game and it would have to be based on the architecture and specifications of Xbox at that time.

And LBP was never ported to the PSP.
 
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Yeah I get why they excluded it to stay with Master Chief titles but they could have called the Collection something else. :csad: Reach is just as much a part of my Halo experience last gen as any other title.

Am I wrong or isn't actually called The Master Chief Collection?
 
Am I wrong or isn't actually called The Master Chief Collection?
Yes I believe it's called the Master Chief Collection. If that means no Reach I'd rather they called it something else.
 
I got the little big planet numbers from VGchartz which is not 100% accurate but it's usually very very close so that's why got both those numbers. Never mind I was wrong about that I guess.

PEDIA says it only sold 4 million units.
 
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VGChartz shows Halo 4 at 6.27m for NA and 9.09m worldwide.
 
VGChartz shows Halo 4 at 6.27m for NA and 9.09m worldwide.

Funny that Wikipedia only says four but I'll trust that I guess I didn't look at the whole world wide. But even still my point is exactly the same what I said in my original post. Little big planet will move some stuff and I don't think the halo collection is really going to be a big push it with Halo 5 yes but not the collection.
 
I liked the Reach SP.. but their MP turned awful when they FORCED every map to be bull***** Forge. I stopped playing when that happened.

Either way.. Chief really isn't in it. They can make HD Reach and put it up on the marketplace for 20 bucks...Same with ODST and Halo Wars.
 
Funny that Wikipedia only says four but I'll trust that I guess I didn't look at the whole world wide. But even still my point is exactly the same what I said in my original post. Little big planet will move some stuff and I don't think the halo collection is really going to be a big push it with Halo 5 yes but not the collection.
No probs mate, I didn't even read the posts concerned, was just trying to help out with numbers. :woot: Wikipedia is just updated less frequently. VG Chartz is said to be not accurate but I'm not sure where to get better figures anyway. And I agree that Halo 5 will be the one that provides a big push (if it lives up to potential) rather than the Collection.
 
I liked the Reach SP.. but their MP turned awful when they FORCED every map to be bull***** Forge. I stopped playing when that happened.

Either way.. Chief really isn't in it. They can make HD Reach and put it up on the marketplace for 20 bucks...Same with ODST and Halo Wars.
Which games were more popular with Halo fans generally? (rather than casuals like me)
 
No probs mate, I didn't even read the posts concerned, was just trying to help out with numbers. :woot: Wikipedia is just updated less frequently. VG Chartz is said to be not accurate but I'm not sure where to get better figures anyway. And I agree that Halo 5 will be the one that provides a big push (if it lives up to potential) rather than the Collection.

Yeah I think that of Halo 5 is good it will bring you lots of sales but the collection edition, will sell really well but I don't think at that level. But it will do well.
 
Sony never announced it till this year's E3. That link was simply someone pointing out what was listed in someone's resume (which ended up being true), but there was no announcement of sorts from Sony till a year later. If it truly was a PS4 title at that point, I firmly beleive they would revealed it as such sometime last year.
Just because they announced it this year doesn't mean it wasn't in development for a while. ND announced a new project in the works without even a title, for a while. Then they gave us a title and rumors began of it being a zombie game, and then later on we got our first glimpse of gameplay. I'm sorry I don't have a time frame for any of this though.

MLB: The Show '14 came out earlier this year. Besides LBP3 is not a first party game; its second party
I don't count sports games coz those ****s make games every year.

Also I'm not really sure of the difference between first and second party although I've always wondered. If you could explain it to me... that'd be great.

Which would have been incredibly foolish. While IA the game should be PS4 only, if it was in fact being developed for the PS3 for nearly a year, it would be stupid to just throw all that work away in order to focus on adapting it for PS4 only. You know how much they stood to lose if that were the case? By keeping it a PS3 release as well, they increase the amount of potential sales for the game. Doesnt help people move on from the PS3 to PS4, but it does give them something to buy, which is ultimately more money in Sony's profits which they can use to support the PS4 or whatever they decide to do. There's a ying and yang to every decision and money tends to drive most of these business decisions.
you're that every situation has good and bad in it, but... if it was being made for the Ps3 first like you said, why not just take whatever was done for the Ps3 and just turn it into the Ps4 version? it's likely to be the exact same game come november anyway; the Ps4 version will just have better graphics

in my opinion though either way - it is better to cancel the Ps3 port than to have both versions.
Ultimately who cares? You seemed obsessed with what one company says about possibilities on another system. They specifically site the HDD as a limiting factor and back in 2008, a HDD wasnt standard on the 360 and MS had strict rules for how the ones that did have a HDD could utilize it. They say LBP on the 360 would be a different game and it would have to be based on the architecture and specifications of Xbox at that time.
What? Just coz I mentioned it a few times in a thread on the internet doesn't mean I'm obsessed man. When those game companies all talk about Ps3 exclusives not being possible on the 360, they all are just trying to make out the cell processor as sounding like somehting of supercomputing capability.

Which... I guess it was.

And LBP was never ported to the PSP.
yes it was. it wasn't the exact same game, but it was officially titled simply LittleBigPlanet, and it came out on PsP.
 
I got the little big planet numbers from VGchartz which is not 100% accurate but it's usually very very close so that's why got both those numbers. Never mind I was wrong about that I guess.

PEDIA says it only sold 4 million units.

yeah I had a feeling you got it from there. I wasn't calling you out for it, vgchartz is all you can by for most games; it's also where I got the halo 4 numbers. Why does vgchartz have such a bad rep anyway? They biased?
 
yeah I had a feeling you got it from there. I wasn't calling you out for it, vgchartz is all you can by for most games; it's also where I got the halo 4 numbers. Why does vgchartz have such a bad rep anyway? They biased?
I don't know the full story but I remember them admitting certain numbers for current sales were just guessed! I wish there was a comprehensive 100% reliable database for this stuff as I'm very interested in it but for all its faults its the best place I've seen so far and covers a big number of games.
 
Also I'm not really sure of the difference between first and second party although I've always wondered. If you could explain it to me... that'd be great.

First party refers to studios that are directly owned by a company. Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, for instance. Their titles are first party. Second party is when a company is technically independent, but have agreed to work exclusively with a console maker. For example, Insomniac at one point developed games only for PlayStation consoles, but they were never owned by Sony.

That being said, I'm not 100% who owns the IP of LBP. If it's the same deal that they had with Insomniac, then Sony may still own it. I don't know.

yes it was. it wasn't the exact same game, but it was officially titled simply LittleBigPlanet, and it came out on PsP.

I think what he meant was that it was original title made specifically for the PSP. Port refers to a specific situation where a game is brought from one system to another with as little altercation to the core game as possible.
 
Just because they announced it this year doesn't mean it wasn't in development for a while. ND announced a new project in the works without even a title, for a while. Then they gave us a title and rumors began of it being a zombie game, and then later on we got our first glimpse of gameplay. I'm sorry I don't have a time frame for any of this though.
Obviously. Most games don't get announced until there's been quite a bit of development. I wasn't implying that the game only started development shortly before this year's E3. You missed the point

I don't count sports games coz those ****s make games every year.

Also I'm not really sure of the difference between first and second party although I've always wondered. If you could explain it to me... that'd be great.
You may not want to count it, but it is what it is

First party games are developed by first party studios and second party games are developed by independent studios. When Sony publishes a game, only those made by studios they own are 1st party. Everyone else is second. For example, Naughty Dog's games from this past gen were all first party, but Insomniac's Resistance and Ratchet were 2nd.

you're that every situation has good and bad in it, but... if it was being made for the Ps3 first like you said, why not just take whatever was done for the Ps3 and just turn it into the Ps4 version? it's likely to be the exact same game come november anyway; the Ps4 version will just have better graphics
That's probably exactly what they did as I alluded to. The PS3 is still relevant though so considering they have all that work laid out for the PS3, it wouldn't make sense to just cut it off. If this was set to be a 2015 and beyond title

in my opinion though either way - it is better to cancel the Ps3 port than to have both versions
I'll disagree but fair enough

What? Just coz I mentioned it a few times in a thread on the internet doesn't mean I'm obsessed man. When those game companies all talk about Ps3 exclusives not being possible on the 360, they all are just trying to make out the cell processor as sounding like somehting of supercomputing capability.

Which... I guess it was.
nah this wasn't the first time or thread you've pulled up old interviews from different games. The one you pulled this time didn't even mention the Cell. Like I said, he was very clear in how LBP wasn't possible for the 360 and if they were to do one, it would be a different, much like the PSP title, which wasn't a port.....


yes it was. it wasn't the exact same game, but it was officially titled simply LittleBigPlanet, and it came out on PsP.
BINGO! Did you even play it? Do you know what a port is? Having the same name as a game doesn't make one a port. If one went by that logic, then you would think that the Tomb Raider remake from last year was a port of the PS1 original. The PSP game was COMPLETELY different from the PS3. It was not a port

First party refers to studios that are directly owned by a company. Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, for instance. Their titles are first party. Second party is when a company is technically independent, but have agreed to work exclusively with a console maker. For example, Insomniac at one point developed games only for PlayStation consoles, but they were never owned by Sony.

That being said, I'm not 100% who owns the IP of LBP. If it's the same deal that they had with Insomniac, then Sony may still own it. I don't know.
Sony owns it. It was their IP, which they co-created with MM. The first LBP was second party but Sony purchased MM shortly after release, which is why they've been able to continue to do stuff with it with other developers even though MM has walked away from the series
 
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I don't know the full story but I remember them admitting certain numbers for current sales were just guessed! I wish there was a comprehensive 100% reliable database for this stuff as I'm very interested in it but for all its faults its the best place I've seen so far and covers a big number of games.
yeah that's exactly it, I knew they were guessing their numbers but if they had nothing to go on and made educated guesses... it's not like they're super far off all the time anyway right? But yeah that is pretty shot lol

And I agree, I'd love to have a database for sales like this, it could help answer a whole lot of questions for a whole lot of people.

First party refers to studios that are directly owned by a company. Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, for instance. Their titles are first party. Second party is when a company is technically independent, but have agreed to work exclusively with a console maker. For example, Insomniac at one point developed games only for PlayStation consoles, but they were never owned by Sony.
so then... is sunset overdrive a 2nd party exclusive since microsoft paid to have it exclusive? or is it still 100% third party?
That being said, I'm not 100% who owns the IP of LBP. If it's the same deal that they had with Insomniac, then Sony may still own it. I don't know.
i'm 99% sure Sony owns LBP. sackboy is kind of a playstation mascot.

I think what he meant was that it was original title made specifically for the PSP. Port refers to a specific situation where a game is brought from one system to another with as little altercation to the core game as possible.
yeah well... i'll get to that when I respond to his response to me...

Obviously. Most games don't get announced until there's been quite a bit of development. I wasn't implying that the game only started development shortly before this year's E3. You missed the point
No, I didn't miss your point but you may have missed mine which was while LBP was being developed behind the scenes, the development was for Ps4; that is my speculation.

You may not want to count it, but it is what it is
dude, come on. 2k is a great series of basketball games but they'd NEVER come out with a NBA2K 00-13 REMASTERED collection for Ps4/Xbone! You just can't compare sports game completely with the flow of other video games, it's different in some aspects

First party games are developed by first party studios and second party games are developed by independent studios. When Sony publishes a game, only those made by studios they own are 1st party. Everyone else is second. For example, Naughty Dog's games from this past gen were all first party, but Insomniac's Resistance and Ratchet were 2nd.
Ok, and was Mass Effect 2nd party to microsoft until ea purchased bioware?
That's probably exactly what they did as I alluded to. The PS3 is still relevant though so considering they have all that work laid out for the PS3, it wouldn't make sense to just cut it off. If this was set to be a 2015 and beyond title
then why would they be losing money on it if they did it that way?

and no, 360 and Ps3 should be losing relevance more and more, they shouldn't be getting any new endorsements of the sort. it should all be about new gen nowadays

I'll disagree but fair enough
glad this worked out peacefully
nah this wasn't the first time or thread you've pulled up old interviews from different games. The one you pulled this time didn't even mention the Cell. Like I said, he was very clear in how LBP wasn't possible for the 360 and if they were to do one, it would be a different, much like the PSP title, which wasn't a port.....
i'm not saying I haven't brought it up before, yes I've brought it up several times and that's because several times sony and their developers last generation, kept pushing the Ps3 as being way more powerful than the 360 when if at all, it was 4x as powerful at most. And I don't like when they say **** like that.

call that an obsession if you want, but... then you really don't wanna know what goes on with me :ninja:

BINGO! Did you even play it? Do you know what a port is? Having the same name as a game doesn't make one a port. If one went by that logic, then you would think that the Tomb Raider remake from last year was a port of the PS1 original. The PSP game was COMPLETELY different from the PS3. It was not a port
you know while I was reading this I had a feeling you were gonna bring up tomb raider lol. But the thing is, everything from lara's appearance to the logo, besides the essence of what TR is, the reboot bears little to no resemblance to the original games. that's not what the PsP version of LBP was; same logo, same characters, same presentation I mean

but okay fine, you're right. LBP PsP is not a port of the Ps3 version, it is its own game.
Sony owns it. It was their IP, which they co-created with MM. The first LBP was second party but Sony purchased MM shortly after release, which is why they've been able to continue to do stuff with it with other developers even though MM has walked away from the series
MM should make LBP4, and make it 3D
 
dude, come on. 2k is a great series of basketball games but they'd NEVER come out with a NBA2K 00-13 REMASTERED collection for Ps4/Xbone! You just can't compare sports game completely with the flow of other video games, it's different in some aspects
Im sorry but when did I mention anything like that? You said you didnt think Sony released any first party games after GT6, and they have, hence me bringing up MLB. Who said anything about remastering anything in reference to either comment?


Ok, and was Mass Effect 2nd party to microsoft until ea purchased bioware?
I guess technically yes.

then why would they be losing money on it if they did it that way?
They wouldnt. They'd be losing money if they completely scrapped a PS3 version. Keeping that in tact prevents it.

and no, 360 and Ps3 should be losing relevance more and more, they shouldn't be getting any new endorsements of the sort. it should all be about new gen nowadays
What should be happening according to you and what actually is happening is two different things. The software still sells and there are still original titles coming out for them. Thats not something these publishers are ignoring. To be fair, Sony came out and said all their first party studios are working on PS4 games. LBP3 isnt being made by a first party studio so they technically are doing just that


i'm not saying I haven't brought it up before, yes I've brought it up several times and that's because several times sony and their developers last generation, kept pushing the Ps3 as being way more powerful than the 360 when if at all, it was 4x as powerful at most. And I don't like when they say **** like that.

call that an obsession if you want, but... then you really don't wanna know what goes on with me :ninja:
Alot of it may be hocus pocus to boost up their hardware but from what Ive read you posted, they were pretty clear about hte limitations between the two systems back in 2008, which you seem to ignore. The HDD was a big one. The 360 can do things now in 2014 that it couldnt do in 2008. For example, a game like GTA V simply wouldnt be possible bc not all 360s sold had a HDD and because MS did not allow developers to use it for installs. Being able to utilize that changes development and how data is accessed. Thats something the PS3 could do back then which the 360 could not. Obviously things have changed 6 years later

you know while I was reading this I had a feeling you were gonna bring up tomb raider lol. But the thing is, everything from lara's appearance to the logo, besides the essence of what TR is, the reboot bears little to no resemblance to the original games. that's not what the PsP version of LBP was; same logo, same characters, same presentation I mean

but okay fine, you're right. LBP PsP is not a port of the Ps3 version, it is its own game.
MM should make LBP4, and make it 3D
I only picked TR bc its probably the most visibly example now, especially with its recent controversy. The PSP was inferior and a port of the PS3 game was impossible. They had to create a brand new experience built with its limitations in mind. For one it had less layers than the PS3 which changed level design. The handheld had alot less RAM, which made the thermometer in the creation smaller, resulting in more simplistic levels. There was no MP, so those types of puzzles were eliminated. Thats just a technical level. It had a different story with new worlds making it a title which shared the same basic gameplay mechaincs and presentation, but was essentially different once you opened it up. Thats why I dont think you can fault them on saying a 360 version of LBP would need to be a different game just bc they (a different studio) made a PSP one, bc that PSP one was different as well
 
Wait, if Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, why is Crash no longer on the Playstation?
 
Wait, if Naughty Dog is owned by Sony, why is Crash no longer on the Playstation?
Naughty Dog was never owned by Sony until Uncharted came out. Besides ND never owned Crash. They were simply the developer.
 
Im sorry but when did I mention anything like that? You said you didnt think Sony released any first party games after GT6, and they have, hence me bringing up MLB. Who said anything about remastering anything in reference to either comment?
I'm saying you can't completely compare sports game with other genres of games. Or at least not include them in the plethora of games we usually talk about; their part in the market share is too different, too many times.


I guess technically yes.
well i love how it's on Ps3 now
They wouldnt. They'd be losing money if they completely scrapped a PS3 version. Keeping that in tact prevents it.
but if they used the Ps3 version to turn it INTO the Ps4 version, nothing is being lost... I don't understand. neither one of us are computer scientists/programmers (are you?) so we don't really know what we're talking about here. the way I see it, it is beyond us.
What should be happening according to you and what actually is happening is two different things. The software still sells and there are still original titles coming out for them. Thats not something these publishers are ignoring. To be fair, Sony came out and said all their first party studios are working on PS4 games. LBP3 isnt being made by a first party studio so they technically are doing just that
fair enough. but things will be way smoother once we're deep in the 8th gen when things are clearer, and the only games coming out will be 8th gen and PC.

Alot of it may be hocus pocus to boost up their hardware but from what Ive read you posted, they were pretty clear about hte limitations between the two systems back in 2008, which you seem to ignore. The HDD was a big one. The 360 can do things now in 2014 that it couldnt do in 2008. For example, a game like GTA V simply wouldnt be possible bc not all 360s sold had a HDD and because MS did not allow developers to use it for installs. Being able to utilize that changes development and how data is accessed. Thats something the PS3 could do back then which the 360 could not. Obviously things have changed 6 years later
dude I know what you're trying to say, trust me, but every time sony or a Ps3 exclusive game developer was saying their game was impossible on 360, their explanation always pertained to Cell processor > xenon processor. hell, if anyone asked naughty dog about Uc3, they'd say the same thing; not possible on 360, and at that point we had the mighty 360 slim with all its upgrades.
I only picked TR bc its probably the most visibly example now, especially with its recent controversy. The PSP was inferior and a port of the PS3 game was impossible. They had to create a brand new experience built with its limitations in mind. For one it had less layers than the PS3 which changed level design. The handheld had alot less RAM, which made the thermometer in the creation smaller, resulting in more simplistic levels. There was no MP, so those types of puzzles were eliminated. Thats just a technical level. It had a different story with new worlds making it a title which shared the same basic gameplay mechaincs and presentation, but was essentially different once you opened it up. Thats why I dont think you can fault them on saying a 360 version of LBP would need to be a different game just bc they (a different studio) made a PSP one, bc that PSP one was different as well
yes alright man, I said I was wrong. you got it. well thanks for typing that all out anyways it was insightful
 
I would also question a Sony developer's word on what the 360 can and can't do.
 
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