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The Dark Knight Rises The Official Rate/Review Thread for TDKR (TAG SPOILERS!!!)

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I think a lot of it was because the spoilers were out and about. Even with Inception and TDK, it was the same.

The ending was plenty surprising, mainly the execution of it, which was amazing. To be fair, everything put together, there was plenty of surprises. The execution was great.
 
Seriously, was I the only one who found this film to be totally devoid of surprise?

Aside from a few spoilers, it did feel more predictable than the previous movies...or that the surprises just didn't wow you.

In general, I think this film is a bit of a gut-check when it comes to Nolan-worship. Granted, someone else with this same plot might make it feel even more rushed and episodic. But he is human and with what will still be a long and illustrious career, he can still have an Insomnia and TDKR on his resume that don't quite sparkle like the rest.
 
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I read a few of your opinions, and I have to say that I really don't get where you found flaws in the way of pacing and stuff like that. For me, it was really, absolutely flawless. Sure, IF you really want to get nitpicky, theres stuff to talk about that could have been slightly cooler/longer/whatever, but I cannot understand how somebody who liked the first two couldn't see this one as the best of the trilogy or at least on the same level as the other two, if you cannot pick favorites.
I don't mean to belittle your opinions, or anything, its fine that you may don't love the movie like I did, but I just can't figure out what the hell would be to complain about this great piece of cinema. Really, apart from stuff like "I would've loved to see Batman take Crane out again", "I would've liked to see the Joker referenced" or something like that, I really cannot fault the movie for anything.
I could see a non Batman geek not caring for it that much, because he would be not as invested in Bruce's journey, but as a Batman fan??? COME ON! Its frikkin' great! Best Batman movie we have and a perfect ending to Nolans Batman version. I really get antsy when I think about that I have to wait until tuesday to see it again. I need that BluRay, STAT!

I am even fine with the whole
maybe Blake is going to be the next Batman thingy. Its a cool ending, gives you stuff to think about and is also a great way to have Bruce enjoy happiness and letting Gotham still have a Batman. I just DON'T want to see a movie about it.


YES!! I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

The story, pacing, and editing IMHO are all great!!!

From Memento, The Prestige, Inception and his Batman TRILOGY, NOLAN has never let me down.

Can't wait for Man of Steel which he wrote and produced!!
 
It happens. With films that need to end a story, with a tidy bow etc, it always happens.

Even if Batman had died, we'd have not been surprised. It's just the age of the internet for you.
 
I think a lot of it was because the spoilers were out and about. Even with Inception and TDK, it was the same.

The ending was plenty surprising, mainly the execution of it, which was amazing. To be fair, everything put together, there was plenty of surprises. The execution was great.

But even those films still had things in them you didn't see coming, this just felt so damn predictable. No Nolan-like curve balls.
 
He didn't write MOS. He came up with the story and David Goyer wrote it.

Kinda flipped the switch whereas w/ the Bat-films, Goyer helped develop the story (as did Chris and Jonathan) but the Nolan brothers wrote the screenplay.
 
Also...anyone else feel that Wayne/Batman being held in the prison and then coming back wasn't really that much of a big challenge/trial? I mean, sure it wasn't easy for him, but it just felt like he was away for a few days, then just came back not really skipping much of a beat.
 
I think unless he'd been in there for a good half of the film, that element was inevitable.

I still went mental when he made it out. The chanting etc only elevated it. It was just such an awesome moment.

Probably my favourite Batman moment in the entire trilogy.
 
I think unless he'd been in there for a good half of the film, that element was inevitable.

I still went mental when he made it out. The chanting etc only elevated it. It was just such an awesome moment.

Probably my favourite Batman moment in the entire trilogy.

It just felt like any good rock climber could have gotten out of there. I mean really, all anyone had to do was climb out that thing?
 
Aside from am few spoilers, it did feel more predictable than the previous movies...or that the surprises just didn't wow you.

In general, I think this film is a bit of a gut-check when it comes to Nolan-worship. Granted, someone else with this same plot might make it feel even more rushed and episodic. Bu he is human and with what will still be a long and illustrious career, he can still have an Insomnia and TDKR on his resume that don't quite sparkle like the rest.

It is very much a reality check.
 
It is very much a reality check.

Also a reminder just how deadly that third film curse is...even with these guys, there are some genuine things that make any third movie a tough one to not fall short of the previous two.
 
Also...anyone else feel that Wayne/Batman being held in the prison and then coming back wasn't really that much of a big challenge/trial? I mean, sure it wasn't easy for him, but it just felt like he was away for a few days, then just came back not really skipping much of a beat.

I'm afraid I do agree with you, I have always been in the mind that instead of [BLACKOUT]Bruce being a hermit for the whole of those 8 years, it should of been Bane puts him in the prison for a few years of that time, as it was those few months felt rushed, personally I would of preferred it begining with Bruce in the prison sort of Batman Begins.[/BLACKOUT]
 
Also a reminder just how deadly that third film curse is...even with these guys, there are some genuine things that make any third movie a tough one to not fall short of the previous two.

Very true. I just can't help feel a better movie was buried in here somewhere. I can see it but I wouldn't have a clue where to fix it.
 
It just felt like any good rock climber could have gotten out of there. I mean really, all anyone had to do was climb out that thing?

Like the Doctor said, it's more about the fear of death, as opposed to the fear of failing. Everyone else had tried and failed. They didn't die though, because the rope would save them.

They feared failure, but not death. It's only when there's no fallback, no safety net that the fear of death appears. Otherwise, like Bruce and countless others before him would continuously use the harness to avoid death.

That, for me, is more vital than whether it's easy to climb out or not. And Bruce was the only one in that Pit strong enough to embrace the fear of death. It's not easy. Not by a long shot.
 
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Like the Doctor said, it's more about the fear of death, as opposed to the fear of failing. Everyone else had tried and failed. They didn't die though, because the rope would save them.

They feared failure, but not death. It's only when there's no fallback, no safety net that fear of death appear. Otherwise, like Bruce and countless others before him would continuously use the harness to avoid death.

That, for me, is more vital than whether it's easy to climb out or not.

Hear hear!
 
I felt it was predictable as well. We've all basically unraveled the story on these boards. Though I still liked what was done with the story, especially how they handled Bane (which was a surprise just as much as his death) and [BLACKOUT]Robin Blake[/BLACKOUT]. I'm not disappointed in this film, though it's not my favorite. Batman Begins is still my favorite.
 
Like the Doctor said, it's more about the fear of death, as opposed to the fear of failing. Everyone else had tried and failed. They didn't die though, because the rope would save them.

They feared failure, but not death. It's only when there's no fallback, no safety net that fear of death appear. Otherwise, like Bruce and countless others before him would continuously use the harness to avoid death.

That, for me, is more vital than whether it's easy to climb out or not.

Again, I think real rock climbers have risked death even with a rope on much harder climbs than that. It just didn't feel like a big trial over much time. And countless others weren't the goddamn Batman...even if he was injured coming in.

Put it this way, it was verbalized (like so many things) that it was supposed to seem almost easy, but in reality be so difficult as t break a man's spirit.....


....but the movie didn't really make it feel that way. You need more time and devotion in a story to build that kind of symbolism and the feeling of time beating down on you. This movie tried to weave too many things together that it ended up short-changing each element. Everything basically felt a bit too abbreviated.
 
I felt it was predictable as well. We've all basically unraveled the story on these boards. Though I still liked what was done with the story, especially how they handled Bane (which was a surprise just as much as his death) and [BLACKOUT]Robin Blake[/BLACKOUT]. I'm not disappointed in this film, though it's not my favorite. Batman Begins is still my favorite.

For me the films are too different to compare.

Batman Begins has the origin of Bruce, and retains a certain innocence.

The Dark Knight has a world where Bruce loses control of things and can't impose his will upon. And Bruce is all about control.

The Dark Knight Rises is a real hero's journey and the ultimate triumph against adversity with Bruce facing an enemy who is ultimately better than him. It's only when he learns to rely on others around him does he manage to achieve what would be otherwise impossible.

Like he said to Blake - 'You've given me an army' - and he was right in some way. This time more than ever, he had Gordon, Blake and Selina to help. Without them, he would have failed. The symbol of the Batman brought them together.

Again, I think real rock climbers have risked death even with a rope on much harder climbs than that. It just didn't feel like a big trial over much time. And countless others weren't the goddamn Batman...even if he was injured coming in.

Put it this way, it was verbalized (like so many things) that it was supposed to seem almost easy, but in reality be so difficult as t break a man's spirit.....


....but the movie didn't really make it feel that way. You need more time and devotion in a story to build that kind of symbolism and the feeling of time beating down on you. This movie tried to weave too many things together that it ended up short-changing each element. Everything basically felt a bit too abbreviated.

Look at this way.

a) Bruce just got his ass handed to him. In spirit and body.
b) His city is burning and he has no way to save it.
c) He's potentially trapped in the prison forever.
d) Even if he does escape, he could get pounded down again by Bane.

Whether he's a good rock climber or not, put those issues into someone's brain and whether his body is ready or not is really irrelevant.

Imagine whilst he's making that jump that all things weigh him down and he misses. Then what? That's the fear, alongside the fear of death, that drove him.

A normal rock climber, let's be honest, would not have the strength of character to overcome everything. No offense to any rock climbers out there.

Bruce's greatest power, is his strength of will. Not his body, not his ability to outsmart people, but his own personal indomitable resolve.

But I agree, stuff did feel abbreviated. My issue personally is that there was too much exposition. An extra half hour of showing and not telling would've fixed that. There was too much 'This is Miranda Tate, she's a philanthropist.' 'This is peace time now, honestly.'

Nevertheless, the symbolism was there. Nolan if nothing else, is great at hammering home the point. And hammer it home he did. Batman is a symbol. Everlasting and incorruptible.
 
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Very true. I just can't help feel a better movie was buried in here somewhere. I can see it but I wouldn't have a clue where to fix it.

They needed to take out about a third of the internal storylines/themes that they were trying to interweave and shoehorn into the same movie, and give more room to what was left to breathe and sink in more emotionally. Unfortunately, it felt as if Nolan tried to do too much with it and ultimately had to resort to quick 1-2-3's and spoon-fed explanations. Because it was him and his skills, it still comes off okay whereas it would have easily been bloated and contrived with someone else. But even for him...too many ingredients and accents kind of diluted the actual flavor.
 
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Read above. :) I agree. But it doesn't take away from the movie being insanely well done.
 
Read above. :) I agree. But it doesn't take away from the movie being insanely well done.

It also doesn't hide that it could have been done much better by these same people if they didn't try to pack in so much. So yo have to take the good with the bad.
 
I have no doubt that in lesser hands this film would be a disaster. That said there's still so much story going on, so many elements that are barely looked at. This type of story is something that could last a 10 episode HBO series.
 
Totally. I think whilst the GA might've cried. An extra 30 minutes would've been massively welcome to smooth out the rough edges.

Like I mentioned before. It's a diamond of a film. Not rough, but shiny with a couple nicks here and there. Nothing a good polish and shape wouldn't solve.
 
I enjoyed this film. This movie had some moments and this was a satisfying closure to the trilogy. But personally, I think this was Nolan's weakest film. I can't tell why but this is how I feel about this movie. Just my opinion.

P.S.

Bane vs Batman fights, JESUS! freaking amazing. Bane's dialogues are cool too.
 
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Totally. I think whilst the GA might've cried. An extra 30 minutes would've been massively welcome to smooth out the rough edges.

Like I mentioned before. It's a diamond of a film. Not rough, but shiny with a couple nicks here and there. Nothing a good polish and shape wouldn't solve.

Nah....it's got some yellow inside compared to the more clarity of TDK. They tried to write too much.
 
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