The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

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I See Spidey is a woman? :huh:

Anyhow...I fail to see how this is real news. Like I said, Singer's camp would say the same thing about Logan's Run when the filmed X-Men, then when they filmed X2, then when they filmed SR. Each movie, Singer swore Logan's Run was his next project. That is why I take this with a grain of salt and maintain, whichever gets the money and the greenlight first is what Singer will be doing.

Get with the program, she's a woman. :heart:

Again we are faced with the fact that this an unnamed source from Singer's camp, not WB. There are not only reports that Singer is doing Milk next but strong rumors floating around about JLA taking the place of a Superman Returns sequel. That being said, Logans Run and a Superman Returns sequel are apples and oranges in my opinion.
 
Umm...yes....joking. :ninja:

I've honestly never read your sig. I'm sorry :csad:
:csad:But I've given off so many hints and I've told posters to not refer to me as he constantly. I honestly can't believe that after years of posting here that you never knew...seriously what about all those Tobey is hot post's I made? Dude I just don't believe it! Ahhhh, I want to choke your unobservent ass to death!:cmad: :oldrazz:
 
Get with the program, she's a woman. :heart:

Again we are faced with the fact that this an unnamed source from Singer's camp, not WB. There are not only reports that Singer is doing Milk next but strong rumors floating around about JLA taking the place of a Superman Returns sequel. That being said, Logans Run and a Superman Returns sequel are apples and oranges in my opinion.

Maybe, but Logan's Run, X3, etc...Singer has a history in Hollywood of lining up projects and then pulling out of them when something new and shinier catches his eye.
 
:csad:But I've given off so many hints and I've told posters to not refer to me as he constantly. I honestly can't believe that after years of posting here that you never knew...seriously what about all those Tobey is hot post's I made? Dude I just don't believe it! Ahhhh, I want to choke your unobservent ass to death!:cmad: :oldrazz:

Hehe, well, I don't usually click on Tobey is hot posts...unless I am feeling particularly kinky :cwink:

But the important thing is now I know! And knowing is half the battle!

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We can hardly compare Transformers with SR because SR has far more complex visual effects...
Errm... no.


From Daily Variety, 4/20/07:

The CGI robots of "Transformers" had to be conjured from scratch -- a fact helmer Michael Bay seems to embrace as a badge of honor on his blog, where he notes that the shots entail "some of the most difficult renders in ILM history. Sometimes up to 38 hours per frame."

Thirty-eight hours per frame?

No wonder DreamWorks is sensitive about how much bang it's getting for the $150 million budget Bay has acknowledged.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963551


SR features a CG human, meaning realisitic facial animation, realistic body movement, realistic cloth animation etc.
Yeah, but how many scenes was it really *necessary* to fully digitize Superman? It's not like he has tentacles or is a shape shifter.

There is a whole lot of stuff there as opposed Optimus. And if one thing is off , the whole thing looks fake. Not to mention that it's easier to relate to a non-human looking character. With CG humans every movement needs to be just right.
IMHO, the robots in TF looked pretty damn slick and about as "real" as they could get. But it's not like they had a choice. Other than old school stop motion photography, they HAD to computerize them. SR, on the other hand, might have looked better (read: more "real") if they *didn't* computerize the crap out of it.

Granted ILM has achieved amazing realism with Davey Jones and the robots in Transformers looked photoreal.
Again, because they HAD to. It's not like those things exist in reality, whereas a guy in tights and a cape CAN exist in reality. Sometimes, wires and a wind machine is all you need.
 
I knew, do I get Spidey Points?:spidey:
You get major Spidey points. I'm gald somebody knew!:csad: :heart:

You also get points for not calling people idiots for not liking SR and giving well rounded opinions on this situation. I obviously don't agree with your opinions on the first two Spider-Man movies (don't really know what you think of the 3rd, I sure didn't care for it) but you seem like a smart enough fella who doesn't try to piss people off for no reason.:up:
 
davy jones is 3 years after hulk. so he looks better.

but hulk at daylight was still amazing.

and this is what ILM doesn .they try to do it at daylight. sony always does it at dark light.
go on hte spiderman board. you all will see how dumb they are. a simple scene with spidermans arms....and they use CGI.

watch the blogs from star wars. they used real minuatures for revenge of the sith. watch king kong.
rendering trees would be impossible. it could be done but it would cost a lot of money and time. so they did miniatures. its cheaper and it still look good. plus they could use wind for realistic movement.
the result? it was perfect.

As MatrixGhost said though Buggs, movie history and budgets prove robots are easier to animate realistically than humans are.
 
Hehe, well, I don't usually click on Tobey is hot posts...unless I am feeling particularly kinky :cwink:

But the important thing is now I know! And knowing is half the battle!

gijoe.jpg
I really wish they would make a GI Joe movie.:csad:
 
As MatrixGhost said though Buggs, movie history and budgets prove robots are easier to animate realistically than humans are.
ok animation yes. here i made a mistake. but visual render its nto so different.

plus ILM already showed us two times that they cna handle an organic creature in daylight.

plus davy jones is not motion capture. animatiors hand animated hes face. they used the video from the actors as reference.
 
You do realise that Nolan, Bale, et al were working on TDK while filming and making The Prestige dont you? Singer and the producers can do exactly the same for MOS while working on Valkyrie.


Of course this is a possibility but its also a possibility that they are there exclusively for Valkyrie as well. If they were there to also work on SR it would seem to me that there would have been word out of WB green lighting the project. If I'm not mistaken TDK had been given the green light by the time they were working on The Prestige. The silence from WB is what is really the fact here that is releventim IMO .
 
Of course this is a possibility but its also a possibility that they are there exclusively for Valkyrie as well. If thet were there to also work on SR it would seem to me that there would have been word out of WB green lighting the project. If I'm not mistaken TDK had been given the green light by the time they were working on The Prestige. The silence from WB is what is really thae fact here.
No TDK got the green light when they were done with The Prestige. But just like the Superman sequel the WB did state before hand they planned on making a sequel to the movie. Also during that time Nolan was giving hints on what his sequel would include. Just like how they are doing with Superman. The problem is Superman fans tend to panic more then the Batman fans did.
 
No TDK got the green light when they were done with The Prestige. But just like the Superman sequel the WB did state before hand they planned on making a sequel to the movie. Also during that time Nolan was giving hints on what his sequel would include. Just like how they are doing with Superman. The problem is Superman fans tend to panic more then the Batman fans did.


I would need to confirm the dates but from memory I am pretty sure that TDK was given the green light before they started in on The Presitge.
 
I would need to confirm the dates but from memory I am pretty sure that TDK was given the green light before they started in on The Presitge.
No it was like how it is for Superman people were asking Bale and Nolan what they would like to do for a sequel but during the Prestige is when the sequel got the green light.
 
Errm... no.


From Daily Variety, 4/20/07:

The CGI robots of "Transformers" had to be conjured from scratch -- a fact helmer Michael Bay seems to embrace as a badge of honor on his blog, where he notes that the shots entail "some of the most difficult renders in ILM history. Sometimes up to 38 hours per frame."

Thirty-eight hours per frame?

No wonder DreamWorks is sensitive about how much bang it's getting for the $150 million budget Bay has acknowledged.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117963551
Well duh , it's not like they're using old parts of models from movies like SW :whatever: .
Every new CH character is built from scratch. Doesn't mean that they they use technology created for other movies on these movies as well.
ILM created sand effects for the Mummy movies and in Spider-man 3 they had go create start from scratch to create Sandman.
And they still paid a huge amount of $$$ for the VFX.

For Transformers they had to build complex robots with different parts fully fuctioning as a whole. Therein lies the difficulty of rendering the robots.
But like i said earlier , it's much easier to render METAL in CGI then something made of flesh.




Yeah, but how many scenes was it really *necessary* to fully digitize Superman? It's not like he has tentacles or is a shape shifter.
Airplane rescue , the scene where he saves Metropolis from the various disasters.
Those to me were the scenes where you just needed a CG superman.
And you can go only so far with motion capture. WHich is a big help with the recent CG characters that ILM has done. Davey Jones is walking all the time. The iMocap stuff that ILM developed is a big help to get the body movements right. With Superman , you can only go so far with mocap because let's face nobody can fly :oldrazz:
That's also one of the problems that you have with CG humans doing these kinds of feats. You need to get the bodymovement right otherwise it just looks like the characters don't have any weight and move too fast.


IMHO, the robots in TF looked pretty damn slick and about as "real" as they could get. But it's not like they had a choice. Other than old school stop motion photography, they HAD to computerize them. SR, on the other hand, might have looked better (read: more "real") if they *didn't* computerize the crap out of it.
Okay how you you do the airplance rescue then ?
And before this resorts back to a "SR sucks thread" the point here it is much harder to get a CG human right then a big metal robot.
Even with today's realistic renders that ILM has produced , it still requires a huge amount of cash to create these VFX.

Also if you look at TF , the thing Michael Bay has done is shoot most things in camera. Afterwards the CG animations were inserted in the plates.
With movies like Superman or JLA you can't shoot everything in camera. Well you can if you hire a 1) jetfighter , 2) attach a filmcamera to it , 3) get a pilot who is able to withstand huge G-forces and 4) fly dangerously close in cities with speeds ranging from a few metres per second to supersonic speeds.

We all know that'll never happen. With a movie like Superman , you need to built CG cities as well , and all those things are expensive. Why do you think the Spiderman movies are so expensive. Do you honestly think that the bulk of the budget goes into the pockets of Raimi , Tobey , Franco & Dunst.
No , the complexity of the VFX determines just how much something is gonna cost.


Again, because they HAD to. It's not like those things exist in reality, whereas a guy in tights and a cape CAN exist in reality. Sometimes, wires and a wind machine is all you need.
Exactly .....sometimes. Not all the time :yay:
 
No it was like how it is for Superman people were asking Bale and Nolan what they would like to do for a sequel but during the Prestige is when the sequel got the green light.

Agreed - I checked back articles and it was during the filming of the Prestige that the first offical word came out from Alan Horn

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=3993

This was on March 16th. Now BB and SR both came out at about the same time so a SR sequel is 3-4 months behind the timeframe that TDK is on. Gievn the production scale of a SR sequel this is worthy of noting. In the end once agian it comes down to WB's silence on the whole thing. It needs to be taken into consideration when discussing where we are at on this potentiial project.
 
Well duh , it's not like they're using old parts of models from movies like SW :whatever: .
Every new CH character is built from scratch. Doesn't mean that they they use technology created for other movies on these movies as well.
ILM created sand effects for the Mummy movies and in Spider-man 3 they had go create start from scratch to create Sandman.
And they still paid a huge amount of $$$ for the VFX.

For Transformers they had to build complex robots with different parts fully fuctioning as a whole. Therein lies the difficulty of rendering the robots.
But like i said earlier , it's much easier to render METAL in CGI then something made of flesh.





Airplane rescue , the scene where he saves Metropolis from the various disasters.
Those to me were the scenes where you just needed a CG superman.
And you can go only so far with motion capture. WHich is a big help with the recent CG characters that ILM has done. Davey Jones is walking all the time. The iMocap stuff that ILM developed is a big help to get the body movements right. With Superman , you can only go so far with mocap because let's face nobody can fly :oldrazz:
That's also one of the problems that you have with CG humans doing these kinds of feats. You need to get the bodymovement right otherwise it just looks like the characters don't have any weight and move too fast.



Okay how you you do the airplance rescue then ?
And before this resorts back to a "SR sucks thread" the point here it is much harder to get a CG human right then a big metal robot.
Even with today's realistic renders that ILM has produced , it still requires a huge amount of cash to create these VFX.

Also if you look at TF , the thing Michael Bay has done is shoot most things in camera. Afterwards the CG animations were inserted in the plates.
With movies like Superman or JLA you can't shoot everything in camera. Well you can if you hire a 1) jetfighter , 2) attack a filmcamera to it , 3) get a pilot who is able to withstand huge G-forces and 4) fly dangerously close in cities with speeds ranging from a few metres per second to supersonic speeds.

We all know that'll never happen. With a movie like Superman , you need to built CG cities as well , and all those things are expensive. Why do you think the Spiderman movies are so expensive. Do you honestly think that the bulk of the budget goes into the pockets of Raimi , Tobey , Franco & Dunst.
No , the complexity of the VFX determines just how much something is gonna cost.



Exactly .....sometimes. Not all the time :yay:
what dont you understand?
38 hours per frame. 38 hours.

this is complex rendering. it doesnt matter if ti is a human or a robot. this loks like the longest render time.

buggs can you please come here and try to explain this in a more better english why it is how it is?
 
Davey Jones' is impressive but a fishes' skin without hair isn't the same as a humans. Until ILM does another Hulk or human character, we won't know how good SFX have gotten in creating a fake human look real. But they have obviously gotten better since the Hulk so if they want to do MOS then i'll welcome it.:woot:
 
Davy Jones is more than impressive it's freakin unbelieveable awsome...IMHO.
 
Maybe, but Logan's Run, X3, etc...Singer has a history in Hollywood of lining up projects and then pulling out of them when something new and shinier catches his eye.

Very true and I understand your theory.
 
Davey Jones' is impressive but a fishes' skin without hair isn't the same as a humans. Until ILM does another Hulk or human character, we won't know how good SFX have gotten in creating a fake human look real. But they have obviously gotten better since the Hulk so if they want to do MOS then i'll welcome it.:woot:

ok show me a book or something else where it says that teh human skin is the hardest to do.

with all due respect.....the skin still had extreme good sub surcafe scatering. the shine was amazing.

it looked organic and this is all that matter.
i also suggest to look at videos from sony imageworks where you can see that they made a realistic CGI human.it looked already good in matrix realoed and hulk.
but does this matter? no it doesnt because their aproach is idiotic. they think that CGI will solve every problem. CGI should help you to finish a scene. CGI is not there to make the whole scene.

but i wont force my opinion anymore.
 
You get major Spidey points. I'm gald somebody knew!:csad: :heart:

You also get points for not calling people idiots for not liking SR and giving well rounded opinions on this situation. I obviously don't agree with your opinions on the first two Spider-Man movies (don't really know what you think of the 3rd, I sure didn't care for it) but you seem like a smart enough fella who doesn't try to piss people off for no reason.:up:

Thank you. I do my best not to judge or mock other's opinions, you know why? It comes back to you. You get treated how you treat others in most respects, whether it be on a message board or real life.

I actually liked the first two Spiderman movies, but I think my argument was that they weren't without their faults, such as dialogue and what not. This is why I was disappointed in the 3rd, it didn't live up to the first two in my opinion, I really was aggrevated with the 3rd movie. It didn't seem like it was directed by Raimi. I think Returns could have learned alot of from the first two Spiderman movies, and vice versa. You can't argue with the mass appeal of the Spiderman movies though.
 
Agreed - I checked back articles and it was during the filming of the Prestige that the first offical word came out from Alan Horn

http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=3993

This was on March 16th. Now BB and SR both came out at about the same time so a SR sequel is 3-4 months behind the timeframe that TDK is on. Gievn the production scale of a SR sequel this is worthy of noting. In the end once agian it comes down to WB's silence on the whole thing. It needs to be taken into consideration when discussing where we are at on this potentiial project.
But Alan Horn also said the same thing about the SR sequel a while back as well. Thats the thing nothing is final until you see that it has started shooting and even then that might not be final.
 
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