The Official Start/Release Date & Location Thread

[GreenKToo]

I think I remember reading that cage quit before burton was even let go, something about cage hating the direction the film was headed.
anyone else remember that??

 

[Showtime]

That's why I wrote "but in Hollywood ..."!

Remember how quick Singer got his job or how quickly Nic Cage was out of the suit even though the movie was ready for principal photography the next day?

Those WB guys are clueless as for what they want. If it's option A or B they usually go for C. Their like Singer, every day at work is an adventure.

Sure things can happen quickly, but I don't think Teen Titans is at the top of WB's list for comic book films. I am not saying its a bad idea, I just don't see that dropping before a Superman Sequel or JLA.

 

[Showtime]

I think I remember reading that cage quit before burton was even let go, something about cage hating the direction the film was headed.
anyone else remember that??

I do.

 

[ubertroy]

I just love it when people go around spouting opinion as fact. I for one, overall, liked Superman Returns. As with any movie there were a few things I had to take with a grain of salt, but overall, I enjoyed it and I for one do NOT feel as if Bryan gave me the finger. On the contrary, I feel as if I still owe him thanks for finally bringing Superman to the big screen in a way that was traditional and paid homage to the old movies and the comics, instead of all the tripe that was going around in the 90's and early 00's regarding a Superman movie.

THANK YOU BRYAN SINGER!

I look forward to his next installment.

As a Superman fan, I like the movie too. However, I must be honest with myself in noting that I strongly feel Singer could have, and SHOULD have, added more action to the movie.

I really think that Bizarro would have been a good villain for the Return. He would never make a good "Front line" villain, like Luthor or Brainac. However, Bizarro would be an excellant Flunky for Luthor. I know we saw something similar in the Reeves sereies #4, but this is supposed to be a revamp, excluding 3 & 4 of the Reeves series.

Bizarro has always been a stupid villain. However, he is making a bit of a comback in popularity and would be great. However, he would NOT be a good front villain.

Basically, people want to see Superman as the "CHAMPION ASS KICKER" that he is, not the Mild Mannered "daddy" that Singer made him to be. Nice idea, just try it with someone else besides Superman.

The more I think of it, the more I REALLY am not convinced that Singer is still the man for the job. I just dont think he is the type who can do a REALLY good action movie. He's more suited for "lifestyle" type movies.

 

[GhostPoet]

As a Superman fan, I like the movie too. However, I must be honest with myself in noting that I strongly feel Singer could have, and SHOULD have, added more action to the movie.

I really think that Bizarro would have been a good villain for the Return. He would never make a good "Front line" villain, like Luthor or Brainac. However, Bizarro would be an excellant Flunky for Luthor. I know we saw something similar in the Reeves sereies #4, but this is supposed to be a revamp, excluding 3 & 4 of the Reeves series.

Bizarro has always been a stupid villain. However, he is making a bit of a comback in popularity and would be great. However, he would NOT be a good front villain.

Basically, people want to see Superman as the "CHAMPION ASS KICKER" that he is, not the Mild Mannered "daddy" that Singer made him to be. Nice idea, just try it with someone else besides Superman.

The more I think of it, the more I REALLY am not convinced that Singer is still the man for the job. I just dont think he is the type who can do a REALLY good action movie. He's more suited for "lifestyle" type movies.

I agree about Bizarro.
BUT that would have been too "sci-fi" for Singer. And too far away from the Donner vision.

 

[TheBat812]

They won't make an actual decision until they read at least the first draft of the screenplay, which won't be done til beginning of 2008. We've got some time to wait. And even if they did like the JL script, I doubt it will actually be made until at least the batman franchise is done.

 

[Showtime]

They won't make an actual decision until they read at least the first draft of the screenplay, which won't be done til beginning of 2008. We've got some time to wait. And even if they did like the JL script, I doubt it will actually be made until at least the batman franchise is done.

What makes you think it is going to take until the beginning of 2008 to get a 1st draft of the Returns sequel.

 

[buggs0268]

Thats what my previous statement basically said. Horn confirmed it....he wants to wait to see a script and what direction they will be going with the SR sequel before he greenlights anything. He wants the budget to be no more than 175 million.....which all sounds good to me. Horn is being smart.

Also from what Spacey has said it seems he has been under the assumption that the sequel will be out around 2009 and that he has seen a draft and he will be ready to go as Lex. So we can safely assume that Dougherty and Harris are working on the sequel screenplay as we speak.

No. Horn knows there was no real interest from the GA for a sequel from SR's performance, and probably from exit polling. So the fact is he has a good JL Script that he knows will deliver the goods, and he has a sequel to a movie that disapointed, and was not the tentpole they needed it to be. I think he is going to take a look at it, but I don't see how Singer can do it for cheaper than SR with a Super Villain. I honestly think he will go with the JL Script.

I doubt he has seen a draft. This is more of a commitment for a friend type of thing.

 

[Showtime]

No. Horn knows there was no real interest from the GA for a sequel from SR's performance, and probably from exit polling. So the fact is he has a good JL Script that he knows will deliver the goods, and he has a sequel to a movie that disapointed, and was not the tentpole they needed it to be. I think he is going to take a look at it, but I don't see how Singer can do it for cheaper than SR with a Super Villain. I honestly think he will go with the JL Script.

I don't know if the JL script has any more merit than a sequel at this point, they are both risks from a business standpoint. In regards to Exit Polls, they really don't tell you much, they both had John Kerry and Al Gore winning the elections. Look where that got them.

 

[buggs0268]

I don't know if the JL script has any more merit than a sequel at this point, they are both risks from a business standpoint. In regards to Exit Polls, they really don't tell you much, they both had John Kerry and Al Gore winning the elections. Look where that got them.

Well exit polls had the WB telling Burton they did not want him working on a third Batman after Batman Returns. Studios take them differently than elections do.

And I was a apart of that Batman Returns exit polling. I remember the questions on it.

 

[BareKnucklez]

I don't know if the JL script has any more merit than a sequel at this point, they are both risks from a business standpoint. In regards to Exit Polls, they really don't tell you much, they both had John Kerry and Al Gore winning the elections. Look where that got them.

Well we all know that Gore actually did win the election... But that's neither here or there.

No. Horn knows there was no real interest from the GA for a sequel from SR's performance, and probably from exit polling. So the fact is he has a good JL Script that he knows will deliver the goods, and he has a sequel to a movie that disapointed, and was not the tentpole they needed it to be. I think he is going to take a look at it, but I don't see how Singer can do it for cheaper than SR with a Super Villain. I honestly think he will go with the JL Script.

I doubt he has seen a draft. This is more of a commitment for a friend type of thing.

Yep... Agee 100% I actually don't think we will ever see a SR sequel but to avoid re doing the origin again so soon I do think we will get a new actor in the suit for the JLA movie, and the SR sequel will be put in development hell.

Where it belongs... They are already pushing it off the 2009 date which has been set in stone for almost a year now by Singer.

The WB LOST A Lot of money on SR, and has not really turned a profit with the movie, and this is why Horn said "IF" a sequel is made the budget would have to be lower.

The people who run the WB (Horn, and others) usually have to fall flat on their face before they see that they were wrong, anf they fix things.
This is how we got a good BATMAN BEGINS after 2 terrible Batman movies, and a terrible Catwoman movie.

The fans, and the mass public spoke loud at the boxoffice when it ignored SR, and saw other movies, and the message they had for the WB was that they didn't like the direction they took, and the people who they picked for the new Superman movie, and now that the WB has fallen flat on it's face maybe they can (To quote BATMAN BEGINS) "Pick them self's up."

The only way they can is by pushing the sequel off, and off until nobody can do it, and they just tell Singer, and company that they are going in a different direction.

 

[GreenKToo]

Comic-con is next week isnt it?? maybe we'll hear something then, anything..

 

[Dark Knight]

Well we all know that Gore actually did win the election... But that's neither here or there.




Yep... Agee 100% I actually don't think we will ever see a SR sequel but to avoid re doing the origin again so soon I do think we will get a new actor in the suit for the JLA movie, and the SR sequel will be put in development hell.

Where it belongs... They are already pushing it off the 2009 date which has been set in stone for almost a year now by Singer.

The WB LOST A Lot of money on SR, and has not really turned a profit with the movie, and this is why Horn said "IF" a sequel is made the budget would have to be lower.

The people who run the WB (Horn, and others) usually have to fall flat on their face before they see that they were wrong, anf they fix things.
This is how we got a good BATMAN BEGINS after 2 terrible Batman movies, and a terrible Catwoman movie.

The fans, and the mass public spoke loud at the boxoffice when it ignored SR, and saw other movies, and the message they had for the WB was that they didn't like the direction they took, and the people who they picked for the new Superman movie, and now that the WB has fallen flat on it's face maybe they can (To quote BATMAN BEGINS) "Pick them self's up."

The only way they can is by pushing the sequel off, and off until nobody can do it, and they just tell Singer, and company that they are going in a different direction.

No decisions have been made by Horn yet on the SR sequel. Your assuming that he doesn't want to make the sequel with Singer because he said IF? By saying IF he is just telling the truth. He is not going to greenlight another sequel until he sees a script and IF he thinks the sequel will make more money the SR with a smaller budget. It is possible to make a 150 million dollar movie with a big time villain like Braniac or Metallo.

 

[Dark Knight]

No. Horn knows there was no real interest from the GA for a sequel from SR's performance, and probably from exit polling. So the fact is he has a good JL Script that he knows will deliver the goods, and he has a sequel to a movie that disapointed, and was not the tentpole they needed it to be. I think he is going to take a look at it, but I don't see how Singer can do it for cheaper than SR with a Super Villain. I honestly think he will go with the JL Script.

I doubt he has seen a draft. This is more of a commitment for a friend type of thing.

I think the GA movie would watch a sequel IF they added Braniac and Metallo and made it more of an epic actioner instead of an epic love story.

A JLA movie will probably cost 80 to 100 million more to make than a SR sequel IMO.

 

[Dark Knight]

No. Horn knows there was no real interest from the GA for a sequel from SR's performance, and probably from exit polling. So the fact is he has a good JL Script that he knows will deliver the goods, and he has a sequel to a movie that disapointed, and was not the tentpole they needed it to be. I think he is going to take a look at it, but I don't see how Singer can do it for cheaper than SR with a Super Villain. I honestly think he will go with the JL Script.

I doubt he has seen a draft. This is more of a commitment for a friend type of thing.

I'm seeing the glass half full with a Superman sequel instead of the glass half empty.

 

[Lighthouse]

It is interesting that about a year ago, they already had Joker cast for The Dark Knight, but we don't even have a script for SR's sequel. If pre-production is pushed till early 2008, is that really gonna be enough time to make the sequel?

 

[merced]

What makes you think it is going to take until the beginning of 2008 to get a 1st draft of the Returns sequel.

I thought pre-production was pushed off to early 2008. The script is supposed to come in fall/late 2007 I think. If Horn is really taken by JL he is not going to be able to wait that long for a script. I don't understand why the script was not ready by now. In January the htree were tossing around ideas. It may come back to bite them.

 

[Showtime]

Well exit polls had the WB telling Burton they did not want him working on a third Batman after Batman Returns. Studios take them differently than elections do.

And I was a apart of that Batman Returns exit polling. I remember the questions on it.

Heh Heh. I just set that up because I knew you were going to mention the Batman Returns exit polling. :heart: Much love Buggs.

 

[Showtime]

Well we all know that Gore actually did win the election... But that's neither here or there.

I should have known you were a Democrat.

 

[merced]

Well we all know that Gore actually did win the election... But that's neither here or there.




Yep... Agee 100% I actually don't think we will ever see a SR sequel but to avoid re doing the origin again so soon I do think we will get a new actor in the suit for the JLA movie, and the SR sequel will be put in development hell.

Where it belongs... They are already pushing it off the 2009 date which has been set in stone for almost a year now by Singer.

The WB LOST A Lot of money on SR, and has not really turned a profit with the movie, and this is why Horn said "IF" a sequel is made the budget would have to be lower.

The people who run the WB (Horn, and others) usually have to fall flat on their face before they see that they were wrong, anf they fix things.
This is how we got a good BATMAN BEGINS after 2 terrible Batman movies, and a terrible Catwoman movie.

The fans, and the mass public spoke loud at the boxoffice when it ignored SR, and saw other movies, and the message they had for the WB was that they didn't like the direction they took, and the people who they picked for the new Superman movie, and now that the WB has fallen flat on it's face maybe they can (To quote BATMAN BEGINS) "Pick them self's up."

The only way they can is by pushing the sequel off, and off until nobody can do it, and they just tell Singer, and company that they are going in a different direction.

I think it will be a new actor too if Superman is in the first JL. For different reasons. I don't think WB is looking for a franchise Superman actor right now. The focus for a long while will probably be on JL and laucnhing other superheros. Superman probably won't be as looking to get a reboot so quickly as batman got in Batman Begins.

WB needs a Superman for JL1 only maybe. Bringing in Routh is going to bring in issues from SR. I don't see how JL can have Bosworth as Lois. Right away audiences think where is the kid and Richard. If Lois is recast and not Routh that causes its own issue. I think WB has to make JL Superman a different version. Its not hard. WB has the audition tapes for SR. Pick one of th runner-ups. It would be different if WB was looking for a new Superman franchise actor but they probably are looking for an actor to play Superman once in the first JL. I think a reboot is years off.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I thought pre-production was pushed off to early 2008. The script is supposed to come in fall/late 2007 I think. If Horn is really taken by JL he is not going to be able to wait that long for a script. I don't understand why the script was not ready by now. In January the htree were tossing around ideas. It may come back to bite them.

Dougherty wrote and directed a movie. Last I heard he was looking over the scoring of the film just before the announcement about the script was made. Maybe Singer and Harris were waiting for him to start actually writing it.

 

[superbaby]

Dougherty wrote and directed a movie. Last I heard he was looking over the scoring of the film just before the announcement about the script was made. Maybe Singer and Harris were waiting for him to start actually writing it.

why did WB be the one who wait? why didn't WB take the pro-active role?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

why did WB be the one who wait? why didn't WB take the pro-active role?

They were pro-active, hence the JL script. I don't know how Singer and Co. make their scripts. I was just putting out a possiblity and explaining that at least one of the writers was doing something in the year break that could explain the late script start.

 

[Mattchew]

my humble prediction: the will be a singer sequel. there will not be a JL movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Agreed, at least not for a long time (JLA movie i mean)