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How about losing a round in a psychic duel?

Christ, you speak of it as if it was a shameless disease while 95% of the superhero populace get owned by such attacks... :D

The biggest reason why psychic powers are the worst. :whatever: Now Darth, you know that Ro's powers are psionic in nature.

Should she get owned in a psychic fight, no. Lose? Maybe. Stalemate, prolly yes.

Here's why. Psychics, more than anyone else, need to breathe alot. Focusing all that brain activity takes up as much oxygen as physical activities. Why would a psychic someone take on a woman who can control atmospheric gases?

Buy time a psychic could form a tactile thought, she could knock them out just by cutting of their air supply. I'm sure she never will because she's never portrayed as cruel.

But the real question is (I can't believe I am going to say this) but what is the speed of thought? Which would be faster, a psychic thought or a psionic thought controlling atmospheric conditions? :hyper:

Because Ororo has more experience with tactile measures, and is a trained fighter, I am going to give her my vote in a fight, if and only if Jean doesn't have access to the PF.
 
The biggest reason why psychic powers are the worst. :whatever: Now Darth, you know that Ro's powers are psionic in nature.

Should she get owned in a psychic fight, no. Lose? Maybe. Stalemate, prolly yes.

Here's why. Psychics, more than anyone else, need to breathe alot. Focusing all that brain activity takes up as much oxygen as physical activities. Why would a psychic someone take on a woman who can control atmospheric gases?

Buy time a psychic could form a tactile thought, she could knock them out just by cutting of their air supply. I'm sure she never will because she's never portrayed as cruel.

But the real question is (I can't believe I am going to say this) but what is the speed of thought? Which would be faster, a psychic thought or a psionic thought controlling atmospheric conditions? :hyper:

Because Ororo has more experience with tactile measures, and is a trained fighter, I am going to give her my vote in a fight, if and only if Jean doesn't have access to the PF.

That's not quite what we were talking about.

We meant a purely psychic duel.

As in 'Xavier unleashes all he's got' and she just sits there warding it off.

Through sheer willpower alone, it would seem.

Well, that's the vibe I've been getting around here.
 
I mean, why the hell would, let's say, Beast and Wolvie get owned by telepaths in 2 seconds flat.

They both qualify as willfull heroes. Hell, if anything, Hank is smarter and I don't see why Wolvie couldn't use his anger/nightmares as a shield.

Not that I'm saying they should have a shot at Xavier, but still, 'Ro shouldn't be LIGHTYEARS above everyone else.

Beast and Wolvie, though awesome, lovely characters, are particularly easy for telepaths because of their more bestial natures. Granted, this animal like state can in some circumstances be of aide against psis, due to their reliance on mid- and hind-brain activity, whereas psis tend to prefer the pre-frontal cortex, the most advanced part of the brain. However, Beast and Logan are not animals (particularly Hank, due to his genius level IQ), and thus their animal tendencies can easily be turned against them as so vividly demonstrated by Emma and Cassandra in the more recent Astonishing issues. Storm is intelligent, but her nature is not overtly academic, rather profoundly spiritual. She was able to grow into her mutant ability in the serene African plains, where she was in equilibrium with her powers, her body, her environment, and the people around her, who adored her. A far cry from Logan, who's powers manifested in the 1800's and was in effect raised by wolves following the slaughter of his father; and Hank, who, while celebrated as a star athlete, still felt inwardly awkward about this animalistic body. Psychologically, Logan and Hank are already ripping at the seems. Now, you might bring up Storm's very traumatic childhood experience of loosing her parents in such an extreme way. Storm has and probably will always suffer from claustrophobia, but it is a struggle she is well aware of and has overcome in much degree. Pity anyone who would try to use this against her, as it triggers an innate fight-or-flight response, and when Storm's adrenaline kicks into high gear, so does the atmosphere around her. This is all psychological aspects to why Storm is better equipped against psis, but there are physiological aspects as well. Biologically speaking, a thought is when a neurotransmitter carries an electrical charge across the space between two neurons. While telepathy has not quite been documented scientifically in the real world (at least not the the satisfaction of the status quo), one can assume it involves the activation of neurons remotely by some energetic means. Storm controls electricity, especially the electricity in her own body. It's quite easy to understand why Xavier, Jean and others have said specifically that Storm's unique bio-electrical field presents a basic interference to the normal application of telepathy. And this is just in normal, everyday communication, when they are trying to contact Storm across some distance and Storm is not intentionally resisting the communication. So you can see that if a psi is trying to harm Storm, much less commandeer her mind, she can increase the "static feedback" electrically with her powers, not to mention the fact that her own consciousness will be fighting the way any other consciousness would to counter a hostile take over. Storm is uniquely equipped by nature and nurture(that is to say her life experiences) to counter the adverse effects telepathy.
 
Beast and Wolvie, though awesome, lovely characters, are particularly easy for telepaths because of their more bestial natures. Granted, this animal like state can in some circumstances be of aide against psis, due to their reliance on mid- and hind-brain activity, whereas psis tend to prefer the pre-frontal cortex, the most advanced part of the brain. However, Beast and Logan are not animals (particularly Hank, due to his genius level IQ), and thus their animal tendencies can easily be turned against them as so vividly demonstrated by Emma and Cassandra in the more recent Astonishing issues. Storm is intelligent, but her nature is not overtly academic, rather profoundly spiritual. She was able to grow into her mutant ability in the serene African plains, where she was in equilibrium with her powers, her body, her environment, and the people around her, who adored her. A far cry from Logan, who's powers manifested in the 1800's and was in effect raised by wolves following the slaughter of his father; and Hank, who, while celebrated as a star athlete, still felt inwardly awkward about this animalistic body. Psychologically, Logan and Hank are already ripping at the seems. Now, you might bring up Storm's very traumatic childhood experience of loosing her parents in such an extreme way. Storm has and probably will always suffer from claustrophobia, but it is a struggle she is well aware of and has overcome in much degree. Pity anyone who would try to use this against her, as it triggers an innate fight-or-flight response, and when Storm's adrenaline kicks into high gear, so does the atmosphere around her. This is all psychological aspects to why Storm is better equipped against psis, but there are physiological aspects as well. Biologically speaking, a thought is when a neurotransmitter carries an electrical charge across the space between two neurons. While telepathy has not quite been documented scientifically in the real world (at least not the the satisfaction of the status quo), one can assume it involves the activation of neurons remotely by some energetic means. Storm controls electricity, especially the electricity in her own body. It's quite easy to understand why Xavier, Jean and others have said specifically that Storm's unique bio-electrical field presents a basic interference to the normal application of telepathy. And this is just in normal, everyday communication, when they are trying to contact Storm across some distance and Storm is not intentionally resisting the communication. So you can see that if a psi is trying to harm Storm, much less commandeer her mind, she can increase the "static feedback" electrically with her powers, not to mention the fact that her own consciousness will be fighting the way any other consciousness would to counter a hostile take over. Storm is uniquely equipped by nature and nurture(that is to say her life experiences) to counter the adverse effects telepathy.
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Sigh.

All I'm saying is that Storm only *overcame* her ONE (*rolls eyes*) weakness because CC had it bad for her.

I'm not bashing the character with said statement. All I'm saying is that she was LUCKY to have a writer elevate her that much.

I mean, Wolvie and Beast (hell, Cyke, too) have been in the super-hero business for, what, 15-20 years? And yet they NEVER even came close to overcoming their weaknesses before Whedon decided to do something about it.

These characters aren't idiots. They've had the pieces of the proverbial puzzle for YEARS and yet no writer did anything about it.

It's called luck of the draw and 'Ro got the jackpot. That's all I'm saying. Geez.
 
Beast and Wolvie, though awesome, lovely characters, are particularly easy for telepaths because of their more bestial natures. Granted, this animal like state can in some circumstances be of aide against psis, due to their reliance on mid- and hind-brain activity, whereas psis tend to prefer the pre-frontal cortex, the most advanced part of the brain. However, Beast and Logan are not animals (particularly Hank, due to his genius level IQ), and thus their animal tendencies can easily be turned against them as so vividly demonstrated by Emma and Cassandra in the more recent Astonishing issues. Storm is intelligent, but her nature is not overtly academic, rather profoundly spiritual.

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Storm is uniquely equipped by nature and nurture(that is to say her life experiences) to counter the adverse effects telepathy.

I'm very impressed.
For what it is worth - Props.
 
Wow, terrific job Hyperion. SOMEONE needs to explain it to him.
 
Huh huh.

And for some reason most mutants with energy-based projection powers have no natural resist at all. Cause there's nothing psionic about their powers. Hell, the Summers brothers essentially have micro-universes within their brains and are permanently linked to a celestial body. For some reason, it causes no interference. At all. :D

Following your reasoning, one would assume Elektro and that thunder spear guy from the Marauders would be almost immune. Funny, I just get this feeling they'd get owned by Xavier just the same. Call it a hunch. :D

Sigh.

Oh, and I give up by the way.

Claremont wasn't completely insane to elevate to turn her into a potential omega mutant. 'Ro is the goddess-queen of the marvelverse.

Fine, whatever. I'll even give a mock bow. *bows*

P.S. And for the love of god, all I was saying all along is that CC (maybe Hudlin, we'll see) buffing her up only ended up diluting her commendable traits IMO.
 
I agree with DarthCyclopsRLZ, though I know I'm going to be flamed for it. To me Ororo is a weather goddess capable of mass destruction, Jean is a psychic somewhere below Xavier, and the Phoenix is a being beyond all other mutants. Some people may not agree, but to me that's always been their core interpretation in terms of power (because we seem to put such small importance on their character traits). I know that Storm has been beefed up, Jean has become even stronger than she was before and the Phoenix has been given this convoluted backstory. But to me it's the core interpretations that are best to stick by. Jumps in power shouldn't be taken as the initial interpretation. Otherwise, all those times before Nitro nuked him Wolverine was just faking being put in a serious situation. And if you know anything about the X-Men, you'd know that to be a false assumption.

Again, just saying. I'm sure plenty will be coy and post a splurge of scans or quotes to prove me wrong.
 
Time for the voice of diplomacy. A plausible story could be written where either wins... 'nuff said!
 
okay so im a huge fan of jean and will never think that storm can beat her but isn't enough enough already?? this topic just goes in circles(see examples below)

-jean can crush storm from a mile away
-Storm can fry jean from halfway around the world-
well jean can attack storms mind
-well storm can protect herself from psychic attacks!
-well jeans an omega
-storm can beat her because jean isn't really phoenix
-yes she is
-no she aint!
-yes she is!
-Storm should be omega!
-Nuh uh!
-Yuh huh!

Now im all for an awesome debate and love these treads but after awhile people just keep repeating themselves...
~can't we all just get along:csad: maybe just agree that they are the most powerful x-women and maybe pronounce a truce?~​
 
This poster borders on herecy!!! How can you tell us to stop?? The millenia-old argument will forever exist!!!! I refuse to stop, now or never!!! :p
 
This poster borders on herecy!!! How can you tell us to stop?? The millenia-old argument will forever exist!!!! I refuse to stop, now or never!!! :p

I agree, this arguement will go on. :cwink:

Time for the voice of diplomacy. A plausible story could be written where either wins... 'nuff said!

Maybe not. :o The story I would write would definitely make storm the winner.
 
The CLOSEST I've ever written to Storm vs Jean is in my Psigame story (check my sig)... and NO things are NOT what you think :p
 
Jean wins. In the time it would take herto marshal the elements, Jean could have killed her time and again either by frying her mind via telepathy or crushing her body with TK.

But thats no fun, so I motion that this be decided by a bra & pantie match in a big tub of Jello.
 
Jean wins. In the time it would take herto marshal the elements, Jean could have killed her time and again either by frying her mind via telepathy or crushing her body with TK.

But thats no fun, so I motion that this be decided by a bra & pantie match in a big tub of Jello.

Don't be a fool. Jean herself has said she has trouble entering her mind. IF Ororo doesn't want her there, she won't enter. That's her major weapon gone down the drain. While she thinks about entering her mind, Ororo goes Katrina on her ass and poof, no more Jean :p
 
Don't be a fool. Jean herself has said she has trouble entering her mind. IF Ororo doesn't want her there, she won't enter. That's her major weapon gone down the drain. While she thinks about entering her mind, Ororo goes Katrina on her ass and poof, no more Jean :p

Jean can contact everyone on earth simultaneously, as you mentioned yourself. If she wants to get into Storm's mind, and she tries, theres nothing Ororo will really be able to do to stop it. It would take someone with Gambit's level of mental resistance(which has kept people like Shadow King and Xavier out) to keep a telepath of Jean's level out.


It also takes Storm a moment to gather the forces to do anything. Unlike Thor, she cannot simply conjure weather phenomena out of thin air; she actually has to use whats around her and guide it into pace to use it. One TK strike to the throat, solar plexus, or eyes and Storm's not going to be in a condition to do anything but writhe in pain.
 

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