The Official Suicide Squad Rotten Tomatoes Thread - Part 1

[FunkMiller]

I didn't. I used several examples in my post. I have yet to find any piece of data that supports the claim that the majority didn't like the movie.

Here you go, champ.

 

[Kane52630]

It went down like a lead balloon

 

[Pretty Boy]

Here you go, champ.

It underperformed at the BO. In what way does that prove that less than 50% liked the movie? Care to explain the math?

 

[Predator jp]

Sharknado is a better movie than BvS, according to the critics. It's difficult not to see their opinion as a bad joke.

that's not how it works though.

 

[xenos5]

I didn't. I used several examples in my post. I have yet to find any piece of data that supports the claim that the majority didn't like the movie.

the BvS poll you mentioned couldn't possibly have had a large enough sample size to represent a fraction of the general audience.

And you didn't even explain what got 3 to 1 likes on twitter. A tweet supporting the movie?

 

[FunkMiller]

It underperformed at the BO. In what way does that prove that less than 50% liked the movie? Care to explain the math?

You're arguing that a colossal drop off at the box office due to bad word of mouth doesn't prove that a majority didn't like the movie.

 

[Pretty Boy]

the BvS poll you mentioned couldn't possibly have had a large enough sample size to represent a fraction of the general audience.

And you didn't even explain what got 3 to 1 likes on twitter. A tweet supporting the movie?

The tracking of how many people liked it vs how many people disliked it, based on twitter reactions. When i checked it (in march) it was 3 to 1. Which means there was one negative reaction for every positive reaction.

You're arguing that a colossal drop off at the box office due to bad word of mouth doesn't prove that a majority didn't like the movie.

I think you're trying to oversimplify the issue in order to more easily sustain your claims. I think it's all way more complex than what you think.

We don't really know, per se, what's the exact percentage of "likes" a movie like this needs to have in order to achieve certain numbers at the box office.

We don't know how much of it was bad word of mouth vs bad critical consensus. How many people didn't change their minds after reading what critics thought of the movie? People who were curious about the movie but maybe after reading all that trashing decided not to spend money with it. You can't answer this question because we just don't know.

There's a difference between speculating and establishing the truth. You're not proving anything. You're just speculating.

Let's speculate a little bit, just so we can establish that we really don't know much about this subject:

Imagine 65% of the audience likes the movie. 35% doesn't. Do you have any conclusive evidence that in that scenario a movie can't fall short of expectations? If so, i would like to see it.

 

[Kathemy]

I think we're overlooking one fact here. Studios want people to go see their movie at the opening weekend.

"In the USA . . . The interesting thing is that the amount of money kept by the distribution company (again, which is then divided between itself and the production company if it's different) shifts the longer the movie is on the market. Typically, slightly more than half of all dollars sold in tickets goes to the studio/distributor for the first few weeks of its release. This percentage does lower over time. This is why production companies, studios and distributors obsessively "front load" a big budget movie to have massive openings."

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-box-office-revenues-goes-to-the-makers-of-the-movie (top answer)

Does a steep drop in the box office then necessarily mean that the product was bad, or does it mean that the studio has done a great job marketing it to the point where almost everyone interested in the film went to see it as soon as it came out?

A hypothetical movie that does 100m in the opening weekend and then makes 25m more for 4 more weeks would then make more money for the studio than a hypothetical movie that grossed exactly 40m each week for 5 weeks.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think we're overlooking one fact here. Studios want people to go see their movie at the opening weekend.

"In the USA . . . The interesting thing is that the amount of money kept by the distribution company (again, which is then divided between itself and the production company if it's different) shifts the longer the movie is on the market. Typically, slightly more than half of all dollars sold in tickets goes to the studio/distributor for the first few weeks of its release. This percentage does lower over time. This is why production companies, studios and distributors obsessively "front load" a big budget movie to have massive openings."

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-box-office-revenues-goes-to-the-makers-of-the-movie (top answer)

Does a steep drop in the box office then necessarily mean that the product was bad, or does it mean that the studio has done a great job marketing it to the point where almost everyone interested in the film went to see it as soon as it came out?

A hypothetical movie that does 100m in the opening weekend and then makes 25m more for 4 more weeks would then make more money for the studio than a hypothetical movie that grossed exactly 40m each week for 5 weeks.

A fair point, until you take into account the fact that to open a movie big requires a bigger marketing budget, and marketing budgets can be colossal. Your gamble then becomes, does the movie take enough opening weekend to justify the large amount of cash you spent getting people to the cinema?

And if SS's budget is anything like what we're being told, then it needs to have legs. 135 million is a great OW, but 135 million is very, very far from profit. By all accounts SS spent the kind of money that demands an even bigger OW then it had. BVS levels probably.

When all's said and done, OW's don't actually matter in the long run, it's profit margins. And next weekend will tell us if SS will end up in the black or red.

 

[Kathemy]

And if SS's budget is anything like what we're being told, then it needs to have legs. 135 million is a great OW, but 135 million is very, very far from profit. By all accounts SS spent the kind of money that demands an even bigger OW then it had. BVS levels probably.

When all's said and done, OW's don't actually matter in the long run, it's profit margins. And next weekend will tell us if SS will end up in the black or red.

Considering that BvS's budget was reported as 250m and SS's budget was reported as 175m I don't see how Suicide Squad would need the same gross to make money. Now, it's healthy to distrust the reported budgets and we don't even know the advertising costs, but at the same time that means we have to realize we're operating with limited information here.

What information we have is that BvS made 166m in the opening weekend from a 250m budget and SS made 135m from a 175m one, putting SS 40m from its budget and BvS at 84m from its budget, or if you want to look at it differently, SS got 77% back while BvS got 66% back.

And again all of this is pretty futile because we don't even know for sure how much the studio makes back of the revenue. Also I seriously doubt they spent as much on marketing SS than they did marketing BvS.

 

[Kathemy]

If we are assuming that SS has the same legs as BvS and extrapolating out of the opening weekend numbers - which is a pretty bloody big assumption, but anyway - then we'd end up with a domestic gross of around 270 million. If we then assume that international will match domestic, it's a total of 540 million.

 

[FunkMiller]

If we are assuming that SS has the same legs as BvS and extrapolating out of the opening weekend numbers - which is a pretty bloody big assumption, but anyway - then we'd end up with a domestic gross of around 270 million. If we then assume that international will match domestic, it's a total of 540 million.

I'd say that's a very good estimate, and for a movie of this type with a smaller budget and less forced expectation, it would be a success.

 

[Erzengel]

Are we also assuming that China does release SS?

 

[Kathemy]

No. BvS had a higher international gross than the domestic one.

 

[FunkMiller]

Are we also assuming that China does release SS?

Nope. It's not going to happen. They are incredibly paranoid about content, and SS breaches their fairly ridiculous standards.

 

[Kathemy]

How was it, "promotes a passive or negative lifestyle"?

 

[The Joker]

RT audience score dropped down another percentage today.

 

[metaphysician]

Nope. It's not going to happen. They are incredibly paranoid about content, and SS breaches their fairly ridiculous standards.

Plus, I bet the local theater chains don't really want it, anyway, if they expect it will fizzle like BvS did.

 

[C. Lee]

Nope. It's not going to happen. They are incredibly paranoid about content, and SS breaches their fairly ridiculous standards.

There are a lot of countries with real strict restrictions....China just happens to be the biggest with the highest possible audience.

 

[Slushy]

Well, its official. Rotten Tomatoes is straight up trolling as it seems they didn't actually watch the film with the low score it got. Even if you didn't like this movie, it deserves a 50% at best.

 

[Predator jp]

Well, its official. Rotten Tomatoes is straight up trolling as it seems they didn't actually watch the film with the low score it got. Even if you didn't like this movie, it deserves a 50% at best.

who do you mean by "they"?

 

[JtheDreamer]

Well, its official. Rotten Tomatoes is straight up trolling as it seems they didn't actually watch the film with the low score it got. Even if you didn't like this movie, it deserves a 50% at best.

Maybe you should start an online petition.

 

[Zarex]

Well, its official. Rotten Tomatoes is straight up trolling as it seems they didn't actually watch the film with the low score it got. Even if you didn't like this movie, it deserves a 50% at best.

I don't agree with every review RT writes, but I'm not going to just stand by and let people question Ms. Tomatoes' integrity.

 

[writer0327]

I took an informal poll of 16 people at work this morning who saw the movie. I asked 3 questions.

Did you want to see this movie regardless of the reviews?
Did you like the movie?
Would you recommend the film to a casual comic book fan? Someone who doesn't read the comics.

1. 15 yes, 1 no but ended up seeing it with a group of friends.
2. 7 yes, 9 no
3. 6 yes, 10 no

The difference in the recommendation question? The person who saw it with friends. She ended up liking it but didn't think non-comic book fans would like it. Interesting response there...

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Looked at what the 67 Fresh reviews said about it, maybe three or four reviewers scored it 7/10, ten reviewers gave it higher than that.
The rest of the positive reviews gave it a lower score.