The Official Superman Thread - Part 1

[Mystirious]

Nope, just his Superman watch, his charm, and his cool bowtie.

Bowties are cool

That be all that Jimmy Olsen needs to be a hero. I would definitely read an ongoing comic book about him and his wacky adventures

Ah man, don't even joke

I really didnt want to be reminded of that

 

[Tron Bonne]

You know, thinking about this a little, I don't care that much if Morrison wants to explore the whole liberal everyman aspect of Superman. It's something that really hasn't been explored very much and very well. So, as long as it's not overly done (which I doubt Morrison will do, based on his other works) I don't have an issue with it.

I think the thing that I'm somewhat worried about is the idea of people not trusting Superman (which is mentioned on the solicit for AC, and WW implied it somewhat for her). I really hope the whole general acceptance of superheroes isn't something that they move away from. Not only does it make a great contrast to the MU's lack of trust, I feel like it almost makes it unique, ironically enough, considering how the whole idea of fearing and not accepting superheroes has become somewhat tired and almost self-parodying.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I suspect Morrison just means there will be more of an emphasis on dissenting voices. There's absolutely no way everyone would love Superman, no matter how much good he does. Those voices are often ignored. Morrison probably plans to just shine a light on that neglected subset of the American public. It actually sounds pretty interesting given that, as you said, Morrison will actually do a good job of it.

 

[Motown Marvel]

you know, i wonder if pa kent is gonna be alive again?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Hopefully that's all it is. Or, if it's something more widespread, it'll be something that's deterred pretty quickly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think you're overinflating it in your mind. I very, very much doubt Morrison is going to pull an Authority or Squadron Supreme with Superman, making the hero out to be this authoritative bully that people want to stand up to. Showing that the citizenry is not universally united behind Superman like mindless zombies is a good thing, I think.

 

[Drz]

you know, i wonder if pa kent is gonna be alive again?

Pa Kent was alive when Superman was flying and all, but he died when the Superman Dynasty came and thats when Superman becomes "a Man" so yeah i'd say yes.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I think you're overinflating it in your mind. I very, very much doubt Morrison is going to pull an Authority or Squadron Supreme with Superman, making the hero out to be this authoritative bully that people want to stand up to. Showing that the citizenry is not universally united behind Superman like mindless zombies is a good thing, I think.

Well, I wasn't really saying that...like, remotely at all. I just meant more distrusting of their heroes in general like in the MU. Nothing about making Superman a WS-esque hero, making that distrust obviously justified. Not sure how you got that from what I said, honestly

 

[Watchman]

Honestly, I'm getting a Marvel Boy vibe from this but a whole lot less burning down the establishment and forcing utopia down onto the lesser humans.

 

[Kurosawa]

you know, i wonder if pa kent is gonna be alive again?

Hopefully Ma and Pa will both be dead after he finishes high school. That way no cheesy, saccharine scenes of Superman running home to mommy and daddy for pie and encouragement. And also, that kills the real Clark Kent and just leaves the nebbish Clark.

 

[Tron Bonne]

But....pie

 

[IamtheBatman]

Any news yet if Superman ends up with Lois?

 

[Tron Bonne]

Nope

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I suspect they'll take it back to a "will they, won't they?" situation, which will remain in place forever. It'll be like Charlie Brown and the football. You know Lucy's never going to let Charlie kick the ball, but you keep reading anyway.

 

[IamtheBatman]

i swear I thought they couldn't do this to Superman because of the lawsuit from the Siegel's and Shuster's!

 

[Tron Bonne]

A lot of people seem to assume a lot about that lawsuit.

 

[IamtheBatman]

A lot of people seem to assume a lot about that lawsuit.

Then can somebody feel me in!

 

[Kurosawa]

I suspect they'll take it back to a "will they, won't they?" situation, which will remain in place forever. It'll be like Charlie Brown and the football. You know Lucy's never going to let Charlie kick the ball, but you keep reading anyway.

The marriage was the only real positive character development and the only progressive change they did Post-Crisis, they just were too stupid and socially ignorant to write a married couple properly. Lois doesn't HAVE to be an emasculating shrew just because they are married. Of course, they've gotten so accustomed to using Superman as a whipping boy that they might as well add Lois to the list. A few people got it at least-when she married Superman, she married his work and became part of it. Lois fell in love with Superman because of his compassion, not his powers, and when they married, she dedicated herself to what he fought for just as he did. And when they handled the marriage in that way, it was awesome.

It sucks so much that they hit almost every note right on Batman, but on Superman it is completely hit-and-miss. If they maintain the same tone with Bruce Post-Flashpoint, then I will be very pleased. Bruce was an ass to his proteges for years but came to see the error of his paranoid ways. He grew and became a better man and a better hero for it. That's real character development, and it is upbeat and positive, which is what DC heroes should be.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Then can somebody feel me in!

Honestly, I don't think they can. I've done some research and searching and no one seems to really know what exactly the details are with this. Some people say it's about the right to Superman in his entirety, others say it's only to certain things in certain issues...no one seems to have a solid grasp on it.

And, truthfully, I don't think it's the issue that many think it is. WB is one of the biggest brands in the world. Come 2013, I'll be very surprised if they don't own Superman in his entirety in some way or another.

 

[IamtheBatman]

As long as Clark/Supes doesn't wind up w/Lana and is still w/ Lois I am good!

 

[Kurosawa]

Then can somebody feel me in!

These changes won't hurt them in the lawsuit, although they are probably motivated by it. Basically they took most of Jerry Siegel's contributions to Superman out 25 years ago, and now they are taking out Joe Shuster's half of the character. If they don't return some of Siegel's concepts, then the Post-FP Superman will be SINO.

 

[Tron Bonne]

But it's not a certainty that will happen, though. If worse comes to worse, I'm sure WB will pay the royalties. Don't they have some kind of arrangement with Kane's estate for Batman like that?

 

[IamtheBatman]

Hopefully, they'll take away some villains!

 

[Kurosawa]

But it's not a certainty that will happen, though. If worse comes to worse, I'm sure WB will pay the royalties. Don't they have some kind of arrangement with Kane's estate for Batman like that?

Kane was a smart and manipulative businessman and he used his skills to negotiate very lucrative deals for himself with Batman, deals his estate continues to enjoy. Bill Finger's relatives, meanwhile, live in relative poverty and Finger gets no creative credit even though Batman was about 85-90% his creation.

If DC/WB were decent and ethical, then they would get that *****ebag lawyer out of the picture and give the Siegel and Shuster families the same deal as the Kane estate.

 

[IamtheBatman]

I wish Aug and Sept would get here already to see how all this turns out!