The Official Superman Thread - Part 2

[DIRECTOR]

doesn't Superman #1 have a variant cover?

 

[TheDragonator]

Did anyone else thing Superman acted and talked way too much like Batman? I mean, literally, like Linkara said in his review of it, look at the first damn line he has.

 

[Drz]

Superman talked like Golden Age Superman more or less. Maybe the person should know what he's talking about next time? Also acted like Batman? Puh please, when have i seen Batman take his time focusing on corrupt policitians, smiling and cracking jokes at the cops and busted corrupt politicians thru a newspaper.

Bruce Wayne pre-Morrison pretyt much just bought factories to get jobs for people and make ghetto slums into less ghetto slums, the only times he really fights corrupt politics or mayors is when they're after himself, it wasn't until Morrison that Batman really went hardcore on his Bruce Wayne and started spending billions on protection, Batmen and so forth, tho i do now rememebr he also with Oliver helps budget the Justice League. Still what Morrison did was bringing Superman back to it's roots and reminding that THIS Superman is what made the concept of superheroes good.

 

[Cain]

Superman talked like Golden Age Superman more or less. Maybe the person should know what he's talking about next time? Also acted like Batman? Puh please, when have i seen Batman take his time focusing on corrupt policitians, smiling and cracking jokes at the cops and busted corrupt politicians thru a newspaper.

Bruce Wayne pre-Morrison pretyt much just bought factories to get jobs for people and make ghetto slums into less ghetto slums, the only times he really fights corrupt politics or mayors is when they're after himself, it wasn't until Morrison that Batman really went hardcore on his Bruce Wayne and started spending billions on protection, Batmen and so forth, tho i do now rememebr he also with Oliver helps budget the Justice League. Still what Morrison did was bringing Superman back to it's roots and reminding that THIS Superman is what made the concept of superheroes good.

Well said.

Furthermore the times when Batman has done things like help poor children deal with the unfair system for instance (remember that Grant/Breyfogle fans?) it was as Bruce Wayne and not as Batman as well. Batman himself has never really been a social crusader never to the extent that Golden Age and now current age Superman seem to be.

 

[TheDragonator]

Maybe the person should know what he's talking about next time?

http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/09/thats-all-im-saying-9-8-11.html

Yes. Clearly he knows NOTHING about what he's talking about.

 

[Drz]

http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/09/thats-all-im-saying-9-8-11.html

Yes. Clearly he knows NOTHING about what he's talking about.

He complains that Golden Age was in 1930s and now because we're in 2011 we can't have a Golden Age Superman? He then says he rejects the idea of Golden Age Superman, then rants about "he's the champion of everyone!" so what is a champion for everyone? The Superman who lets corrupt politicians go free? That aint Superman.

So in short: He can't accept the idea of getting back to the roots for Superman, but he admitted still giving the book a shot because he likes Morrison, still his argument is pretty much: This isn't my Superman at all!

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

Did anyone else thing Superman acted and talked way too much like Batman? I mean, literally, like Linkara said in his review of it, look at the first damn line he has.

Linkara is an obnoxious twit.

 

[HighFivingMF]

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Yes. Clearly he knows NOTHING about what he's talking about.

Glad we're on the same page.

 

[Assassin]

Just reread Earth One, and I like that Superman better than the one in Action Comics and JLA so far.

 

[Garzo]

Spoiler

He shot Superman with a f**king train?

Brilliant.

Spoiler

With a Bullet Train!

 

[TheDragonator]

Just reread Earth One, and I like that better than the one in Action and JLA so far.

Eh, the JLA one had one line, so it's hard to really tell. Superman's brief appearance in Animal Man seemed better.

As for Action Comics, I didn't like it. There's a reason they stopped writing Superman the way he was written 80 years ago: Because that was 80 years ago.

I just think it's a matter of comparing this:

to this:

One shows Superman. The other shows an ******* in a cape and Supes t-shirt.

 

[Watchman]

http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/09/thats-all-im-saying-9-8-11.html

Yes. Clearly he knows NOTHING about what he's talking about.

Whenever I hear this guy talk I think of this,

 

[Watchman]

One shows Superman. The other shows an ******* in a cape and Supes t-shirt.

The t-shirt version is also 15-20 years younger. He's a young, brash idealist. Hell, this version sprang out of unused ideas from All Star.

 

[Drz]

Just reread Earth One, and I like that Superman better than the one in Action Comics and JLA so far.

I don't know, him not wanting to deal with politics or things like diseases just seems wrong for me. Not to mention it only seems he wants to play as a hero but to what? Monsters going after him?

Because that was 80 years ago.

Clearly you don't seem to know about John Byrne's Superman where he also went back to the roots but ultimately made things even darker for Superman, which is something you should be worried about, such as Superman seemingly being a stalker for crying out loud.

Also going back to the roots worked for Batman, but why wouldn't it work for Superman? Give us a reason.

 

[TheDragonator]

The t-shirt version is also 15-20 years younger. He's a young, brash . Hell, this version sprang out of unused ideas from All Star.

That doesn't mean I need to like him. The Clark Kent in freaking Smallville didn't act like this, and guess what? The show lasted 10 years.

Whenever I hear this guy I think of this,

You ARE aware that he writes his reviews beforehand and exaggerates a lot, right? Very rarely does he actually really, really get pissed off.

 

[TheDragonator]

Also going back to the roots worked for , but why wouldn't it work for Superman? Give us a reason.

The whole point of this reboot is to attract new readers. Now, what do the general audience think of when they think of Superman, outside of his powers and costume?

They think of:

A polite, humble, person.
Someone who fights for the good of everyone.
A respectful person.

What they do NOT think of:
An arrogant, show-offy *****ebag.
Someone who says he only fights for one group of people.
A person who publicly mocks the authorities.

See the differences?

Superman didn't become well known for his personality in the Golden Age.

 

[Drz]

The whole point of this reboot is to attract new readers. Now, what do the general audience think of when they think of Superman, outside of his powers and costume?

You're trying to argue that because this isn't the Superman the pop culture is aware of, it's going to be bad, but also a counter argument would be using Smallville here, where Clark Kent wasn't as powerful as the mainstrema one, he would sweat and show damages and so forth, heck he even went all Matrix on his costume, but the show went for 10 seasons and won awards.

A polite, humble, person.

Which they see in Action Comics #1. Clark Kent is a humble and polite to his landlord and friends with people, he's also very popular due to busting out bad guys via Daily Star.

Someone who fights for the good of everyone.

Which he does, but are you telling me the bad person has to be either an Alien or Lex Luthor? Why can't there be more corrupt and bad guys? Smallville's Superman took down bad guys too you know. Are you really telling me "fights for the good of everyone" should egual him letting wife beaters beat their wives and so forth?

A respectful person.

Which he is, the people of Metropolis love the Man of Steel.

An arrogant, show-offy *****ebag.

He's telling the cops who the real bad guys are, but ofcourse we humans are afraid of the unknown so the policemen are being ignorant and arrogant, you know kinda like how Mutants are being treated.

Someone who says he only fights for one group of people.

Lol what?

A person who publicly mocks the authorities.

Pre-Flashpoint Superman did that too, infact the latest one i can think of is Action Comics #900 where David S. Goyer had Superman renounce his American Citizenship lol.

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

Superman's been pissing off a lot of people lately; I love it.

 

[TheDragonator]

Which he is, the people of Metropolis love the of Steel.

Try reading. I said 'respectful', not 'respected'.

And how the hell did I say that 'Superman can't fight criminals' by saying he fights for everyone? I never said he can't fight corrupt officials at all? Stop exaggerating my statements for no reason.

I meant that didn't Morrison say Superman fought for the poor and underclassed at some point?

 

[X Knight]

Also going back to the roots worked for Batman, but why wouldn't it work for Superman? Give us a reason.

But didn't Batman originally carry a gun in his early stories??

characters change and evolve over time. sometimes for the better. sometimes for the worse.

a character's "roots" doesn't always translate into the best interpretation of that character. or, it doesn't mean we all have to enjoy/favor that interpretation.

Let's take Batman, again, for example.

Say, Batman was originally created to be a silly, campy, wise cracking hero. Yet over time, his character evolved into the more serious, darker bad ass character that has become the popular image of Batman.

Now, let's say they decided to reboot Batman and "go back to his roots" by making him campy and light hearted again.

Would the fans of the dark, serious bad ass Batman welcome that change? probably not. However, those who did like the early Batman would.

With Superman, if he had stayed the Golden Age Superman throughout all these years, I would never have liked the character as much.

Similarly, as I've said before, if the new Action Comic #1 was my first exposure to Superman, I probably wouldn't like the character that much either.......

 

[X Knight]

The whole point of this reboot is to attract new readers. Now, what do the general audience think of when they think of Superman, outside of his powers and costume?

They think of:

A polite, humble, person.
Someone who fights for the good of everyone.
A respectful person.

What they do NOT think of:
An arrogant, show-offy *****ebag.
Someone who says he only fights for one group of people.
A person who publicly mocks the authorities.

See the differences?

Superman didn't become well known for his personality in the Golden Age.

I agree with this.

And you could still have gone back to the "social crusader" Superman who tries to affect change by being a good model, by being polite, humble, and respectful.

 

[DIRECTOR]

Eh, the JLA one had one line, so it's hard to really tell. Superman's brief appearance in Animal Man seemed better.

As for Action Comics, I didn't like it. There's a reason they stopped writing Superman the way he was written 80 years ago: Because that was 80 years ago.

I just think it's a matter of comparing this:

to this:

One shows Superman. The other shows an ******* in a cape and Supes t-shirt.

good comparison

 

[Watchman]

You ARE aware that he writes his reviews beforehand and exaggerates a lot, right? Very rarely does he actually really, really get pissed off.

I'm going to read and enjoy DKSA out of spite.

good comparison

Not really. One is a Superman at the beginning of his career and the other is at the very end.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Not really. One is a Superman at the beginning of his career and the other is at the very end.

Not only that but they're two completely different scenes. The point of that scene in All Star Superman was to show that Superman cares first and foremost. And guess what, the Superman in Action Comics cares too.

 

[Swordmaster]

Knowing Morrison, I think it's fair to believe that Action Comics Superman will eventually evolve into, if not the exact All-Star version, than the one seen in Superman Beyond and Final Crisis, behavior-wise and all.

Plus, as of now I'm going to be optimistic and say that, as his appearance in Swamp Thing was the most recent 'current' appearance of the character, he shouldn't be judged too harshly. If, when Action Comics takes place in the present and he still acts like this, then I'll be annoyed. For now, I'm looking forward to the development that I believe will take place.

Knock on wood.