The Official Superman Thread - Part 3

[TheCorpulent1]

Haha, no. [blackout]He wouldn't be a ghost if he were alive, now would he?[/blackout]

 

[Watchman]

Maybe he's a [BLACKOUT]phantom[/BLACKOUT]?

 

[Spade]

Morrison likes ambiguously supernatural aid; he had Honor Jackson, another mysterious vagrant, show up at Bruce's lowest point in Batman R.I.P. Maybe this will be explained. But I won't hold my breath.

 

[Drz]

Another great issue of Action Comics with Clark Kent, Metropolis and Science! Sadly close to 0 action this time around.

 

[The Batman]

Superman was never the kind of guy you'd see crying in the corner of anything. I don't know how that perception got started, but it's never been true, period. The only times Superman's been a government shill or a b**** or whatever were out of continuity in Miller and other people's nonsense.

I didnt say corner, i said cover:

And I never said he was a government stooge either, just that in the past he didnt have balls sometimes.

 

[Mystirious]

Haha, no. [blackout]He wouldn't be a ghost if he were alive, now would he?[/blackout]

Metallo's finally a top tier antagonist. Good job, DC, it only took you fifty years.

Though I hope he isnt just a tool of

Spoiler

Brainiac

but gets to be a villain in his own right

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I didnt say corner, i said cover:

And I never said he was a government stooge either, just that in the past he didnt have balls sometimes.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Crying due to the death of people you love isn't really a sign of not having balls to me. He still comes through in those events in spite of his grief.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

The only times Superman's been a government shill or a b**** or whatever were out of continuity in Miller and other people's nonsense.

Batman #428 (Holiday 1988): "A Death in the Family: Chapter 5"
Writer: Jim Starlin


Justice League International Vol. 1 #7 (November 1987): "Justice League... International!"
Writer: Keith Giffen / J.M. DeMatties

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wow, talking to the president and respecting international law suddenly makes you a government shill? That's... an interesting viewpoint that you are fully entitled to.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

Wow, talking to the president and respecting international law suddenly makes you a government shill? That's... an interesting viewpoint that you are fully entitled to.

Fighting the obvious, eh?

 

[CConn]

But it's Ronald Regan. Didn't he create AIDS or intentionally infect people with it because he's evil or something?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, sure. Hey, you know, Superman sometimes talks to Lex Luthor too. That corporate puppet!

 

[CConn]

Going by this logic, Supes should just start vomiting uncontrollably whenever he's approached by anyone making over $250,000 a year.

 

[The Batman]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Crying due to the death of people you love isn't really a sign of not having balls to me. He still comes through in those events in spite of his grief.

The first crisis cover was fine...but it was getting overused to be honest...and in addition to being portrayed as a naive boyscout, Post Crisis Supes gave off the impression of being weaker than he actually was.

For me, Morrison's AC Supes seems like a guy who, down the line,could Modern Hal Jordan and the Uberbat in check.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, maybe it's because my idea of Superman was largely built on Morrison, Waid, and Kelly's JLA and Kelly's other Superman comics, but I've never, ever perceived Supes as weak or ineffectual. He "kept everyone in line" just fine during those JLA runs, mainly because the idea that any leader would have to keep anyone in line was ridiculous, since that League was built on mutual respect between the Big 7. He stands for the best in all of us and if he seems weaker than he was, it was only because he believed in restraint and reason over throwing his weight around like the bully Morrison's early Action Comics version clearly is. If anything, it's the Action Comics version that seems incredibly naive to me, primarily because of exactly what we see in this week's issue. It's not really feasible to solve the complex problems this early Superman is concerned with by throwing punches or dangling people off of rooftops.

 

[Wheels]

No, he should sit back and wait for the system to work, even though it's completely broken.

 

[Anubis]

Well, the opposite, as you can clearly see, ain't working.

 

[Wheels]

Well, the opposite, as you can clearly see, ain't working.

All I'm saying is he's surrounded by a bunch of useless *****ebags not doing their jobs. He can't help but break the rules a little given the circumstances.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he should sit back and wait for the system to work, even though it's completely broken.

That presupposes an either/or situation. There are many avenues to effect social change besides doing nothing and bullying random businessmen (which, I agree, are both ineffective).

 

[Wheels]

That presupposes an either/or situation. There are many avenues to effect social change besides doing nothing and bullying random businessmen (which, I agree, are both ineffective).

What would you do if you were Superman? He's a young guy who is fiercely passionate about his beliefs. He's going to make rash decisions at times.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Fight aliens and cosmic gods. Social injustice is not a problem powers help against in any way, so I'd leave 'em to the charities and such.

 

[Wheels]

Fight aliens and cosmic gods. Social injustice is not a problem powers help against in any way, so I'd leave 'em to the charities and such.

That's a cop out answer. Charites are not going to have the impact that Superman would. The city is rotting.

 

[Mystirious]

I think he can fight social injustices but throwing corrupt businessman out of buildings isn't really the right way to do it

Him trying to expose corruption and injustice in his journalist job makes more sense

But it's Ronald Regan. Didn't he create AIDS or intentionally infect people with it because he's evil or something?

He sold crack and fascism to leprechauns

 

[The Batman]

I don't know, maybe it's because my idea of Superman was largely built on Morrison, Waid, and Kelly's JLA and Kelly's other Superman comics, but I've never, ever perceived Supes as weak or ineffectual. He "kept everyone in line" just fine during those JLA runs, mainly because the idea that any leader would have to keep anyone in line was ridiculous, since that League was built on mutual respect between the Big 7. He stands for the best in all of us and if he seems weaker than he was, it was only because he believed in restraint and reason over throwing his weight around like the bully Morrison's early Action Comics version clearly is. If anything, it's the Action Comics version that seems incredibly naive to me, primarily because of exactly what we see in this week's issue. It's not really feasible to solve the complex problems this early Superman is concerned with by throwing punches or dangling people off of rooftops.

Nobody said anyone would have to keep anyone in check, I did say that this Superman COULD reign anyone in if he had to. Once again, I don't think anyone likes this particular Superman for his specific methods as much as people like reading about a superman that isnt a boy scout.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's a cop out answer. Charites are not going to have the impact that Superman would. The city is rotting.

It's a logical answer. What could Superman do to magically solve poverty?