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Sequels The Official The Lizard in Spider-Man 4 thread!

1. Would depicting Dr. Connors as a main character be a problem because of how Otto Octavius was changed to be more "Connors-like" in SM2? There'll be similarities, but here Connors wife won't die or his son as well. Raimi could maybe change it where in The Lizard's blind rage, not Connors, he accidentally kills his own family, and than like a werewolf he'd change back in the morning, returning to his house, only to find his wife and son brutally murdered. The police would believe some kind of animal came in and got them, which thus would strike Connors into trying to find a cure and redeem himself for his family's death.


2. What's up with that "I'm a physicist, not a biologist." line from Connors in SM3? The symbiote sparked the idea of him creating a regeneration serum that could regrow his arm.

3. Since a Lizard vs Kraven vs Spidey storyline is used in the Sony SM3 video game, does that mean that there's now less chance of it being used in an actual movie? The games would not have an affect on the movie. After all, Vulture was in the first movie game, but Raimi wanted to use him for movie 3. Now, of course Lizard is in the 3rd movie game, but everybody seems in agreement that he is movie 4's villain.

4. How should the Lizard's transformation and possible cure be handled in a film version? I agree with someone who said that the cure should only be temporary. The cure genetically could relapse and return back to his normal human self, but like "X3"'s ending with Magneto, Connors could like look down at his good arm and start to see little scales forming and sprouting out of his skin. I also think his transformation should be like what we saw in MTV's Spider-Man series where he makes a video-logue before testing out the serum, he then tests it, we see lightning flash and silouhettes of him changing, before finally we see a desk chair thrown at the camera, test tubes and beakers thrown off the desk and smashed on the floor, and than a scaly-tail leaving the lab room. Throughout the movie we'd see little glimpses of his snout, eyes, fangs, and claws, before finally getting a encounter with him in the sewers.

5. What secondary villain, if any, should be featured with the Lizard?
Kraven, followed by Scorpion. I really want to see JJ totally fed up with Spidey and pulling all the stops and money into bringing down the wallcrawler. Maybe he could think Spider-Man is responsible for The Lizard and thus sends Kraven and Scorpion after the both of them.


6. And of course, what should a movie Lizard look like? Tall,should have the ability of other lizards. I'd love to see where the Lizard could adapt to surroundings like a chameleon and hide, I'd loved for him to have the speed of a frilled lizard, I'd love for him to have a poisonous spit and tongue, and I want him to look like a cross between a raptor and a crocodile. if they can do all of that than mission accomplished.
 
I don't know how I feel about a video log, it might come off as either cheesy or cliched.

One of the drawbacks to the Lizard as a villain is how awkward he's going to look speaking. How do you all feel about this?

Also, what plotline and overriding themes and motifs do you see S-M4 having if the Lizard is the main villain? The Lizard seeking reptile world domination? I don't know how I feel about that.
 
^ I think the Lizard speaking will look great. And I think the Lizard seeking world domination would work out perfectley. But thats just my opinion.
 
Yeah, thinking about it, with a subtle hissing, the Lizard could sound pretty cool. I was pretty wary of how Venom would sound, too, but I was happy with it.
 
Yeah, thinking about it, with a subtle hissing, the Lizard could sound pretty cool. I was pretty wary of how Venom would sound, too, but I was happy with it.

Ugh, I wasn't. I'd really have preferred if he'd just not spoken at all.
 
Yeah,I don't want the Lizard to speak at all. That would be really bad,imo. All I want to hear from him is hissing and roaring. I want him to be a complete bloodthirsty monster.
 
First of all the journey still begins and ends with Peter. Not the villains. Everything revolves around him. Where do Peter and MJ continue? What is next for them. There are still questions regarding their relationsship. We know Peter wanted to marry MJ and settle down to a happy life together but time and time again something seeks to destroy them and tear them apart. How can they to ever have a family with the constant threats of Goblins, Evil scientists,Sandmans and simbiotes. MJ nearly witnessed the demise of her true love right before her eyes. Connors has what Peter wants, A family who loves him and looks to him for protection and as a provider. Helping Connors and his family will only drive him further to accomplish that yet seeing how a family can be destroyed can also sway him.
 
Good way to link Connors and the personal dilemma of Peter. Connor being a proud family man with a wife and kid who both loves him. While Peter and Mj question the future and how much more of this lifestyle they can handle.
 
First of all the journey still begins and ends with Peter. Not the villains. Everything revolves around him. Where do Peter and MJ continue? What is next for them. There are still questions regarding their relationsship. We know Peter wanted to marry MJ and settle down to a happy life together but time and time again something seeks to destroy them and tear them apart. How can they to ever have a family with the constant threats of Goblins, Evil scientists,Sandmans and simbiotes. MJ nearly witnessed the demise of her true love right before her eyes. Connors has what Peter wants, A family who loves him and looks to him for protection and as a provider. Helping Connors and his family will only drive him further to accomplish that yet seeing how a family can be destroyed can also sway him.
That would be a nice way for a sympathetic Dr. Connors like. I would also love to see that in Spidey4. Dr. Connors wants his Family to be happy but once he becomes the Lizard, His Family is depressed. The Sympathy factor would work perfectley for Dr. Connors:up:.
 
First of all the journey still begins and ends with Peter. Not the villains. Everything revolves around him. Where do Peter and MJ continue? What is next for them. There are still questions regarding their relationsship. We know Peter wanted to marry MJ and settle down to a happy life together but time and time again something seeks to destroy them and tear them apart. How can they to ever have a family with the constant threats of Goblins, Evil scientists,Sandmans and simbiotes. MJ nearly witnessed the demise of her true love right before her eyes. Connors has what Peter wants, A family who loves him and looks to him for protection and as a provider. Helping Connors and his family will only drive him further to accomplish that yet seeing how a family can be destroyed can also sway him.

You are right, the journey begins and ends with Peter. I think the Lizard presents a logical block in his path, as you have outlined in this post.
 
I think the Lizard should take the villain spotlight for SM-4. As for Kraven, I dunno, i'd rather see a more interesting villain like Electro in a parallel story. But it makes no difference to me.
 
I think the Lizard should take the villain spotlight for SM-4. As for Kraven, I dunno, i'd rather see a more interesting villain like Electro in a parallel story. But it makes no difference to me.
Kraven could have a greater connection to the Storyline in Spidey4 because as I and alot of people have said befor, Kraven could be trying to Hunt the Lizard or Spider-man.
 
If I can make a mirror Electro storyline (see the Electro thread I believe), then the writers can, too.
 
You are right, the journey begins and ends with Peter. I think the Lizard presents a logical block in his path, as you have outlined in this post.
Yes..Absolutely. Peter sees the stability and happiness that this family has and he envies it. Therefore when Connors begins his transformations he feels the need to help them and Connors from harming himself, his family and innocent bystanders. Peter sees how important Connors is to his wife and son. Peter knows what losing a father figure does to a person. He knows the impact of losing a husband like Aunt May. Its like he is seeing it all over again with his life and knows he can help them to avoid it. They know Kraven is out trying to kill or capture the beast fearing for his life. Peter can definitely relate to what is going on. On the flip side it also has an impact on the Peter's personal life. Peter wants to settle down and eventually raise a family with MJ but how can they ever bring a child in the world and raise it with the constant threat. Harry meddling and the attempted murder of Spiderman by Sandman and Venom made things no easier. Lizard and Kraven will only further complicate things. This just screams great story. It also shows how the villains will continue to factor on Peter's life.
 
Kraven could have a greater connection to the Storyline in Spidey4 because as I and alot of people have said befor, Kraven could be trying to Hunt the Lizard or Spider-man.

But Kraven sucks, so a big NYET on his part.
 
Wife and child?

Parallels with Sandman too.
Not really. Doc Ock had a wife who loved him but died and they had no kids. Sandman had a kid he loved and loved him back but a hateful resentful wife that wanted absolutely nothing to do with him. Connors embodies the perfect family man who is loved and respected by his wife and son. It shows the next logical step for Peter and MJ.
 
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Can't wait to see some intense battles between these two on the big-screen.
 
Yes..Absolutely. Peter sees the stability and happiness that this family has and he envies it. Therefore when Connors begins his transformations he feels the need to help them and Connors from harming himself, his family and innocent bystanders. Peter sees how important Connors is to his wife and son. Peter knows what losing a father figure does to a person. He knows the impact of losing a husband like Aunt May. Its like he is seeing it all over again with his life and knows he can help them to avoid it. They know Kraven is out trying to kill or capture the beast fearing for his life. Peter can definitely relate to what is going on. On the flip side it also has an impact on the Peter's personal life. Peter wants to settle down and eventually raise a family with MJ but how can they ever bring a child in the world and raise it with the constant threat. Harry meddling and the attempted murder of Spiderman by Sandman and Venom made things no easier. Lizard and Kraven will only further complicate things. This just screams great story. It also shows how the villains will continue to factor on Peter's life.
Truly awesome. Peter has had impact on His life so seeing Connors Wife and Son all sad over what he turned into, Peter knows the pain they are in. Peter knows Dr. Connors is a good person so He wants to help Him and His family so that they could be a great Family again. Peter realises the happiness with Dr. Connors and His Family so He don't want that happiness to go away. Kraven is out to Hunt the Lizard but if Kraven defeats The Lizard then it would have been the opposite of what Peter would have done and thats find a cure for the Lizard and use tricks so that Spidey can avoid The Lizards attacks and get the cure inside The Lizard. Storylines like that is what makes certain Films great and I hope theres a storyline very similar to this in Spidey4.

But Kraven sucks, so a big NYET on his part.
Not true. Kraven can make for a great storyline as long as He's not the lead Villian. The Lizard should be the lead Villian and Kraven should be the secondary Villian. Just think of what great Storyline there could be with Spidey, the Lizard, and Kraven. it would truly be awesome.
 
Yes it's true, we don't need some wrestler in tiger tights and dance slippers, what we need for a secondary villain is a powerful villain like Electro, oh yeah, just imagine the amazing battles! Not some crazed bushwhacker.
 
Kraven would also work in a movie focusing on the danger of Peter's pride, as Kraven is a prideful man.
 
They need to officially announce THE LIZARD as the next villain and the secondary villain (if there is one--Kraven or Electro), no more of this secrecy crap and making us wait like pregnant teens. :dry:
 
They need to officially announce THE LIZARD as the next villain and the secondary villain (if there is one--Kraven or Electro), no more of this secrecy crap and making us wait like pregnant teens. :dry:

I wonder if they'll do their villain-cutting like they did for the previous films, didn't they want Ock in the first film alongside Green Goblin, then they cut him and saved him for part 2. And then the Lizard was supposed be in SM-2 alongside Ock, but they cut him. And then the Vulture was supposed to be in SM-3, he got cut and replaced by Venom.

If they are going to announce the villains, let's hear it when it's finalized.
 
Yeah... we will probably get some oddball pairing like Lizard and Vulture.
 
Yeah, it was great to hear Raimi mention his fondness for the Lizard, and how he'd love to finally reward Dylan Baker's patience with the character.

Also super psyched he mentioned Electro and the Sinister Six, too. But right now, Lizard needs his due. Conners is well established now. Lets see him grow some green scales and give Spidey an ass whuppin.

Couldn't have said it better.

Lizard is my favorite and I've been biding my time since SM2 hoping he'll show up in the next one. Twice disappointed, but he is the last non-redundant A-lister left (IMO) and after being named dropped by two of the producers and the possible director....

Bring on Lizzy!
 

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