Sequels The Official The Lizard in Spider-Man 4 thread!

[Visionary]

Thanks, now I must go and find their websites or/and Blogs, so I can package them well and send the info to Sony.

 

[lt23_spiderman_]

Would people accept lizard as a good villian? i think he'd be a little corny...

 

[Visionary]

Would people accept lizard as a good villian?

Yes, of course they would.

Any villain can be corny if you write them that way, let's just hope he not, and that he's an animalistic killing machine, that's how I want him on screen. The Lizard is the next logical classic villain to use, so says most people who have their eyes on this franchise...including Stan Lee.

 

[weezerspider]

Yeah I liked the MTV one but I just hated the MTV show!

edited.

 

[Dave 5]

the lizard kick ass he must be in the next film.

 

[Jick]

Would people accept lizard as a good villian? i think he'd be a little corny...

if he is like the grammy Lizard, who writes a letter while he cries, then he'll certainly be corny.
now...if he is the monstrous, ferocious, inconsequent, mindless beast like he was in the Spectacular show, then he will be the best.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm sure he won't be corny. He'll most likely be beast that could destroy everything, but is trying to hide from humans and stuff like that or something.

 

[Visionary]

If they make half the film during the WINTER, it could be the reason why The Lizard goes beneath the city to a warmer climate.

Cold Blooded vs. Warm Blooded.

 

[The Lizard]

Here's the ironic thing about the savage Lizard however -- he's not really a "villain".

If the wild, brainless Lizard camps out in the sewers and kills a few people for food or because they wander into his territory, that's just animal survival instincts, not villainy.

As much as people around here seem to dislike the talking/thinking Lizard, there really should be at least one stage in the movie Lizard's transformation where he is somewhat rational (albeit a bit insane) and consciously plotting against Spider-Man for whatever reason.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Brilliant.

 

[Visionary]

I really don't want to see The Lizard plotting against anyone, I want the savage Lizard with a body count around the block. We seriously need at least one villian who is animalistic, menacingly evil and hate humans...this includes Connors' wife and son Billy.

 

[Jick]

Here's the ironic thing about the savage Lizard however -- he's not really a "villain".

If the wild, brainless Lizard camps out in the sewers and kills a few people for food or because they wander into his territory, that's just animal survival instincts, not villainy.

well...we can't please them all, can we?

As much as people around here seem to dislike the talking/thinking Lizard, there really should be at least one stage in the movie Lizard's transformation where he is somewhat rational (albeit a bit insane) and consciously plotting against Spider-Man for whatever reason.

ok...I could see it happening, like it was already suggested. a thinking Lizard, like the 90's series one. I'm just not sure about he plotting something.

 

[The Lizard]

I really don't want to see The Lizard plotting against anyone, I want the savage Lizard with a body count around the block. We seriously need at least one villian who is animalistic, menacingly evil and hate humans...this includes Connors' wife and son Billy.

But does the savage Lizard "hate humans" like the intelligent Lizard does? I suppose it would be possible to portray a completely sociopathic killing machine that goes on mindless killing sprees just out of hatred. But really, does that sound like the comic book Lizard at all? Particularly the part about him hating Martha and Billy as well?

Vis, it sounds more like what you want is Carnage (in a film directed by Rob Zombie), not the Lizard.

Admittedly, the Lizard hatching verbose schemes about taking over the world with an army of lizard-men wouldn't play well onscreen, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere between corny monologging villain and R-rated serial killer.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

IMO, as I siad, the Lizard should be like a beast, but he shouldn't be completely animalistic. Basically, he shouldn't be dumb. What I think is that he could say a few words like the Hulk did in The Incredible Hulk or defenitely more. Also, the Lizard being misunderstood would be very good as well.

 

[Arcturus]

IMO, I think the Lizard should retain some intelligence. Perhaps memories of his previous human life etc, but as times goes on it becomes more rudimentary and breaks down completely into a animal like state.

 

[Visionary]

But does the savage Lizard "hate humans" like the intelligent Lizard does? I suppose it would be possible to portray a completely sociopathic killing machine that goes on mindless killing sprees just out of hatred. But really, does that sound like the comic book Lizard at all? Particularly the part about him hating Martha and Billy as well?

Vis, it sounds more like what you want is Carnage (in a film directed by Rob Zombie), not the Lizard.

What I want is a threatening villain through and through, I'm starving for it, and so are a lot of people who have watched these Spidey films--who think that the villains are too damn soft, not threatening, not scary or too sympathetic. I don't want to see The Lizard humanized in any way, that's what Curt Connors is for. I want his human brain (turn Lizard brain) to use nothing but animal instinct, and one of those instict should be to kill.

Admittedly, the Lizard hatching verbose schemes about taking over the world with an army of lizard-men wouldn't play well onscreen, but there has to be a happy medium somewhere between corny monologging villain and R-rated serial killer.

Which is why I think he should be pure savage, so they can avoid turning him into a corny Lizard-Man who want to turn everyone into Lizards to take over the world--or making him too much like The Hulk, who doesn't kill or hate all humans. The savage Lizard avoids this pitfall, plus, you can still make The Lizard intelligent in other ways, both the Alien creatures and The Predator were intelligent...just in an animalistic way.

Why can't The Lizard be a killing machine, why is it that other comic book movies can have villains whom are damn right intimidating because they'll kill your ass in a nano-second. But with Spider-Man movies, there has to be some damn childish happy ass medium, I'm freakin' sick of it?

Perhaps memories of his previous human life etc, but as times goes on it becomes more rudimentary and breaks down completely into a animal like state.

Absolutely not, that is exactly what I want to avoid when it comes to The Lizard. This would give this light-hearted, children-oriented and soccer mom loving production team of Spider-Man's, plenty of cute scenes where The Lizard starts remembering Connors teaching Billy how to ride a bike and getting married to Martha, etc., I don't want to see scenes like that. That's when the villain starts to becomes fluff.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

I've been hoping for a movie based on McFarlane's Torment storyline, but I guess that's wishful thinking since that would likely make and r-rated movie.

 

[Hectorminator]

What I want is a threatening villain through and through, I'm starving for it, and so are a lot of people who have watched these Spidey films--who think that the villains are too damn soft, not threatening, not scary or too sympathetic. I don't want to see The Lizard humanized in any way, that's what Curt Connors is for. I want his human brain (turn Lizard brain) to use nothing but animal instinct, and one of those instict should be to kill.

You remember that scene from Spider-Man 2, you know, where Doc Ock kills a mess of people in the hospital? That was awesome. I still consider that one of the scariest scenes I've ever seen in a movie. I want at least ONE Lizard scene like that. He has to kill some College kids or something, like when he's escaping the University after he transforms for the first time.

For sure he needs to have nasty animal instincts, and more than anything, I want to see Lizard KICK THE CRAP out of Spider-Man, like slash him to a bloody mess. A scene like in part 3 where the New Goblin slices into Spidey and it looked like it hurt, but for fifteen minutes straight. He's one of Spidey's toughest villains to fight, so they need to use that.

The Lizard should have SOME humanity, but very little. When he's first transforming, in the process of it, Peter should be the only person present (he is Doctor Conner's lab assistant) and just when the Lizard is about to jump on Pete and kill him, he backs off because that last remaining part of Conner's brain hasn't transformed yet. And later when Spidey is trying to administer an antidote to the Lizard in the sewer, he should take off his mask and then Conners' brain will kick in and stop Lizard from killing Spider-Man.

Why can't The Lizard be a killing machine, why is it that other comic book movies can have villains whom are damn right intimidating because they'll kill your ass in a nano-second. But with Spider-Man movies, there has to be some damn childish happy ass medium, I'm freakin' sick of it?

Because, dude, Spider-Man is a family movie. Deal with it. Lizard can still be a killing machine.

Absolutely not, that is exactly what I want to avoid when it comes to The Lizard. This would give this light-hearted, children-oriented and soccer mom loving production team of Spider-Man's, plenty of cute scenes where The Lizard starts remembering Connors teaching Billy how to ride a bike and getting married to Martha, etc., I don't want to see scenes like that. That's when the villain starts to becomes fluff.

Dude, this is just ******ed. You're exaggerating. Therefore, argument = void.

 

[Venom 1988]

I've been hoping for a movie based on McFarlane's Torment storyline, but I guess that's wishful thinking since that would likely make and r-rated movie.

Thats a horrible story

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Are you kidding me?!!! That was arguably one of the greatest storylines in Spider-Man history in my opinion.

 

[Venom 1988]

Are you kidding me?!!! That was arguably one of the greatest storylines in Spider-Man history in my opinion.

No I'm not kidding you, though I should be asking you that question.

Torment is arguably one of the worst Spider-Man stories ever.
And now a quote from Tim Eimiller...

Melodramatic. Full of hopelessly redundant, overbearing and often ludicrous captions. An endless "plot" that goes pretty much nowhere over the course of five months. Pages and pages of story used to describe amazingly little. Lots and lots of unnecessary gore. Absolutely inane and pointless cameos from Mary Jane interspersed throughout.

Torment is a true example of the Worst of the Worst in the history of Spider-Man comic books. It might not have been so awful if it had been trimmed down to a one or two issue story. Stretching it out to five excruciating issues places it high in the Web Swinger's Hall of Shame.

Spider-Man gathered the biggest audience of his comic book career and flushed much of it away with these five issues of utter torment.

http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/reviews/spiderman/005.html

 

[The Lizard]

Are you kidding me?!!! That was arguably one of the greatest storylines in Spider-Man history in my opinion.

Not really. McFarlane was never a very good writer IMO, and the fact that he thought he was a GREAT writer only made it worse.

Go back and read "Torment" again. Note the awkward insertion of the "Rise above it all" phrase into the beginning of each issue. Note that not much really happens in the story -- Spidey encounters Lizard, Spidey discovers Lizard is brainless and savage for some reason, Spidey keeps fighting Lizard but Lizard keeps violently coming back for more, and finally Spidey discovers Calyspo is behind it, everything goes "boom" - the end.

McFarlane's method of making the hero get "pushed to the edge" where the hero is ranting melodramatically against the villain is something he used over and over again to the point of cliche.

McFarlane's art was a radical departure from the typical comic art of the time, so he gets points for that (although I've never liked the way he drew people, but whatever). But in the comic writing department, McFarlane was typically 1990s -- all style, no substance.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

OK, and you tell me what the movie stories have been? Now that you both have brought that up, it would be the perfect story for the 4th film.

 

[Venom 1988]

Use the framework around Kraven's Last Hunt (a story on the opposite side of the spectrum than Torment) and replace Vermin with Lizard. Then work that around whatever theme Peter has to face in his life.

 

[Julio Alejandro]

Vermin was a terrible villain. Kraven and Lizard make so much sense for SM4.