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Yah...he should escape though for seven. Ive always pictured a scene where Voldemort either kills Lucius in front of Draco in book 7 or vice versa as the ultimate punishment for both their failures.
 
Does anyone have an idea as to when the next trailer will be released?

We'll most likely get a new trailer attached to the prints of 300. A more likely candidate would be Spider-Man 3, considering that it's being released two months before OOTP.

Or maybe we'll get a Super Bowl TV ad with new footage... screw it, we'll definitely get an ad for it during that time.
 
Yah...he should escape though for seven. Ive always pictured a scene where Voldemort either kills Lucius in front of Draco in book 7 or vice versa as the ultimate punishment for both their failures.

Draco didn't fail though.
Dumbledore is dead
. Even if it is not by Draco's hand, his plan with the vanishing cabinet, his repairs of it, and his cornering him are what made it possible. If anything, this should redeem Draco and Lucius in Voldemort's eyes.
 
Draco didn't fail though.
Dumbledore is dead
. Even if it is not by Draco's hand, his plan with the vanishing cabinet, his repairs of it, and his cornering him are what made it possible. If anything, this should redeem Draco and Lucius in Voldemort's eyes.

I don't know. That does make sense, but..

Voldemort said that Draco HAD to do it, and not Snape. We knoe Voldemort does not care about anyone so I don't see why he wouldn't kill Draco. I doubt it though. I think Ron or Harry will in the next Deadly Hallows
 
Draco didn't fail though.
Dumbledore is dead
. Even if it is not by Draco's hand, his plan with the vanishing cabinet, his repairs of it, and his cornering him are what made it possible. If anything, this should redeem Draco and Lucius in Voldemort's eyes.


No, Draco failed. His orders were
to kill Dumbledore and he didn't.
 
I still can't get over the evolution of these films from Christ Columbus' tedious and slavish first two installments, to Alfonso Cuaron's feast of wonder and horror, to Mike Newell's coming-of-age thriller, and soon to David Yates' stamp on the material... Can't wait to see what that stamp is!
 
I don't know. That does make sense, but..

Voldemort said that Draco HAD to do it, and not Snape. We knoe Voldemort does not care about anyone so I don't see why he wouldn't kill Draco. I doubt it though. I think Ron or Harry will in the next Deadly Hallows

I think Voldemort would be so estatic that the only wizard he believes can stop him is
dead
that he would not care. Draco set up the circumstances for it, it wouldn't have happened without Draco. I see no reason he would be punished.
 
I think Voldemort would be so estatic that the only wizard he believes can stop him is
dead
that he would not care. Draco set up the circumstances for it, it wouldn't have happened without Draco. I see no reason he would be punished.

maybe because Voldemort is f*** s*** of a b**** and he doesn't give a damn that Draco "set up the cirumstances", he will only take into account that Draco didn't accomplish his orders.
 
Maybe Draco didn't actually commit the deed, but that fact that objective has been completed will greatly please Voldemort. I think that alone, will save Draco from death.
 
I still can't get over the evolution of these films from Christ Columbus' tedious and slavish first two installments, to Alfonso Cuaron's feast of wonder and horror, to Mike Newell's coming-of-age thriller, and soon to David Yates' stamp on the material... Can't wait to see what that stamp is!

The best one by the sounds of it. If they could merge the visual beauty of Prisoner amalgamated with the visual beauty of Goblet and the storytelling of Goblet...I would wet my pants.
 
And all this talkabout Draco committing the horrible murder of the wizard who shall not be named...um...save for the Half-Blood Prince movie thread?

Like, pretty please? :o

It really has no place here.
 
maybe because Voldemort is f*** s*** of a b**** and he doesn't give a damn that Draco "set up the cirumstances", he will only take into account that Draco didn't accomplish his orders.

Voldemort isn't a psycho. He is a very smart man. He is smart enough to realize the Malfoys have influence and power he needs. He would not kill Draco for no reason at all. He gave Draco the task in order to get revenge at his father, but he wouldn't simply kill him over semantics, especially after a task that Voldemort considered impossible (there are scenes where Draco and Narcissa said he was only given it because Voldie knew he would fail) succeded. Voldemort is a smart man and does reward his followers for success, even if it doesn't go as he planned. All the evidence we need of that is his scene with Bode in OOTP.
 
^Why be good with your morals and ethics when you can be bad and feared and rule for all time? :o
 
I would take being feared over being loved any day of the week. :cmad:
 
I found this article about an interview with Del Toro and Cuaron and it's very interesting what they say about Harry Potter.

Killing Harry Potter: del Toro and Cuarón

Last week we had the opportunity to sit down (separately) with two great directors, Guillermo Del Toro and Alfonso Cuarón. We had the chance to talk to both directors about the missed opportunities and the finality of Harry Potter.

"There is regret in the sense that I loved the books," admitted Del Toro, who had to turn down an offer to do the third Harry Potter. "By the time they asked me to do the third one, I was coming out of Blade 2. I didn’t want to start doing 2s and 3s and then 4."


Del Toro felt that the first two movies had a much lighter universe than the books: "And I frankly felt the kids were too... healthy for me. Not the type of kids that I’m interested in portraying. So I called the producer and said, 'If you ever wanna kill those kids, I’d be your guy. In the mean time, if they escape their adventures unscathed, I’m not interested. Not because I don’t like the universe. I think the books are brilliantly written and very well researched. I really like that universe.'

Del Toro recommended that his friend Alfonso Cuarón do the project, something Alfanso snubbed at first.

"I never read the books or seen the movies so I was kind of arrogant about it," Cuarón confessed. Del Toro scolded the director over the phone telling him to read the book and call him back. "I called him back and said Man, this is brilliant. And he said 'Yeah, and you have to do it."

And the rest is history, Alfanso filmed the best Harry Potter film in the series, and del Toro went on to direct the best film of 2006: Pan's Labyrinth.

"I think he did a much better job that I would have ever done," admitted del Toro. "Alfonso believes in youth much more than I do. I don’t believe in youth. I believe in the extremes: childhood and old age. Youth is always suspicious to me. I’m 41 and I never went through puberty, so I’m suspicious of that age range."

So if Harry Potter was to be killed in the final book, del Toro said he would be interested in making THAT movie if they would let him.

"I don’t know if she will do it, and I’m almost sure as **** they wouldn’t offer it to me," laughed del Toro. "It was too glib on my part to say it, but I really don’t think that – It’s not exactly a want ad, you know?"

But Will Harry Potter die in the final book?

"I don't know, I had this same conversation with someone the other day about that,' said Cuarón. "In one hand it makes sense, in the other hand - how do you finish Harry Potter if you kill Harry? What is the resolution of the tale? How is she going to finish the seven books and not have an temptation to do an eighth book?" Cuarón asked. "I don't know. And that kind of stuff, I have a really good relationship with JK but I don't mess with that."

Alfanso revealed that JK Rowling called him a few weeks back to congratulate him on Children of Men: "She really loved Children of Men. And we started talking and I said that it was a tough process doing the movie because of the brutality of what you're doing, of what we're picturing. And then she conveyed to me, 'yes, yes, it's been hard for me because when you do writing about hard stuff, you have to sleep with that.' But I don't go into details."

Del Toro thinks some dark times are in Harry's Future: "I’m reading the books as they come out, and I’m enjoying the hell out of them. I actually think it’s heading to a darker place, the entire saga, and I’m really happy about that. I’m really happy about that. I think it’s really coming to a place where they’re really gonna encounter darkness."

"How do you create the ending of a saga which is not a downer if Harry dies?" asked Cuarón. "And this is the only thing I am certain, that whatever she does is going to have an amazing kind of spin at the end. Because she's aware of what Harry Potter is and means in terms of the collective consciousness of humanity. Whatever she will do, I don't think it's going to be careless."

http://www.slashfilm.com/article.php/20061219killingharrypotter
 
Thanks, Gonking.

del Toro actually passed on Harry Potter 3 to do Hellboy...but that's not for here.

Personally I think that JK knows what she is doing. If she wants to kill Harry off, let her kill him off. When you're writing a story you have to be prepared to kill your characters.

I, like Alfonso, don't see any other way the book ends. Of course Voldy will die, but he is resurrected from Harry's blood (as read and seen in GoF), so if he died, Harry would die too. Neville can just stay alive for all I care
 
I would kill for Del Toro to do the final Harry Potter movie, or even to have Cuaron back. Two of my favorite film makers these days, so to have one of them do the last, well I couldn't think of anyone better.

If JK decides to kill off Harry, that's up to her. She created the character, and really if she does, the death would have been there from the begining.

Personally, I am not too bothered. Harry has never been a favorite of mine, so it wouldn't bother me greatly, as long as the book was great.
 

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