The Official TIH Critic's Review Thread

[Nivek]

...did Batman and Robin ruin the Batman franchise for life?

Show a brightly neon lit scene in a Batman film, and just listen. It may not have ruined it, but it without a doubt scarred it.

 

[Nivek]

The thing is, will Norton even be around for the sequel? From what I've read, he's so pissed off at Marvel, and Marvel are so pissed off at him, that I doubt if we're gonna see him Hulk out again.

Boy, another one of them "Non-reader types". Have you "read" all the articles, heard the comments, and actually been to the boards that state the feud was blown out of proportion? Or have you noticed "Mr. Angry Star who doesn't want to work with Marvel" promoting the movie?

Please stay within the boundaries of fact that was printed, and not dose it up with so much imagination?

 

[Badfish40oz]

Nivek, perception is reality in the media. Even now, various news sources are running with that story after its been proven wrong. Because its an interesting story and people will want to believe it. Even if its wrong, you put the story out there, and the average person skims through the article and it becomes fact to them.

Say what you will about Rush Limbaugh but he is right when he calls it the "Drive-by media."

 

[Nivek]

It's wrong. You can say all you want that the sky is purple, but at the end of the day, you look like a fool. When your wrong, you look stupid. No one WANTS to look stupid.

Just like that drggie comedian you mentioned. He's constantly making up facts that have no basis in truth.

 

[Clark Kent]

Have you "read" all the articles, heard the comments, and actually been to the boards that state the feud was blown out of proportion?

Come on. In Hollywood, if you're told that something's not true, 99% of the time, it's true. So if it's denied, believe it. These studios and directors and stars are never honest with us. They're afraid that their movies and/or reputations might get damaged. Blown out of proportion? Yeah, right. They were probably tearing the S*** out of each other.

 

[Nivek]

Thats nice, replace fact and reality with your own (verified from all people involved )twisted perceptions to fit your personal agenda. If you repeart it enough, it will be true.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Nivek, perception is reality in the media. Even now, various news sources are running with that story after its been proven wrong. Because its an interesting story and people will want to believe it. Even if its wrong, you put the story out there, and the average person skims through the article and it becomes fact to them.

Say what you will about Rush Limbaugh but he is right when he calls it the "Drive-by media."

Agreed. Just as an example, on Yahoo.com front page, the day the film opened, there was a headline stating that the Hulk opens and right underneath that, Norton and Marvel fight over film's final edit. It just doesn't look good.

 

[BLAQUE-SPIDERMAN]

That's media sabotage in my opinion, just like the last movie, no matter what it did positively, the media had already done enough to put that negative vibe in the viewers mind to offset a positive movie experience, JUST like they're doing now. What does THAT matter now that the film is out? Because the critics actually love this film, and you don't want to see the franchise succeed, so let's delve into those "rumors" a little more. Sons of biscuits....

 

[FrostBite]

Come on. In Hollywood, if you're told that something's not true, 99% of the time, it's true. So if it's denied, believe it. These studios and directors and stars are never honest with us. They're afraid that their movies and/or reputations might get damaged. Blown out of proportion? Yeah, right. They were probably tearing the S*** out of each other.

If it were true he [Ed] wouldn't have even promoted it all. Some how people got the "not promoting it much" thing confused with the original report of "do it, or I won't support it."

Instead he's joking about the cuts in unscripted, and making jokes on Jimmy Kimmel about how he's "trying to resuscitate this series from the grave if you know what I mean?"

But no you are right, he hates everyone attached to the project, Marvel, and the entire movie. Heck I bet he didn't even show up to the premier and he won't even show up on the special features of the DVD.

 

[ant3ros]

Norton did show up at the premier and did interviews on the red carpet.

 

[The Shape]

Despite what Nivek says, I don't see Norton actively wanting to work with Marvel after this, because the fact remains....He DID opt out of doing a lot of press for this movie. Yes, he did some things, mostly the important things, but not all that he should have done or would have done, had there not been an issue behind the scenes.

We've all heard the stories about Norton, and I'm sure that most of them are based on true events. We know Norton had issues when editing American History X, and we know that he also had a bad experience with Marvel, a battle that he ultimately lost. Will he want to return? It's anyone's guess at this time.

 

[FrostBite]

Despite what Nivek says, I don't see Norton actively wanting to work with Marvel after this, because the fact remains....He DID opt out of doing a lot of press for this movie. Yes, he did some things, mostly the important things, but not all that he should have done or would have done, had there not been an issue behind the scenes.

We've all heard the stories about Norton, and I'm sure that most of them are based on true events. We know Norton had issues when editing American History X, and we know that he also had a bad experience with Marvel, a battle that he ultimately lost. Will he want to return? It's anyone's guess at this time.

Or... you know, if he wasn't doing another movie thats coming out / his appearances for his own reasons (political events strangely enough,) or if he wasn't just a recluse when it comes to his films. I didn't even know him by name before this film, and why? Because he rarely promotes his films... ever.

 

[explode7]

Guys it went up 1% on RT to 65%. t:

 

[The Shape]

Or... you know, if he wasn't doing another movie thats coming out / his appearances for his own reasons (political events strangely enough,) or if he wasn't just a recluse when it comes to his films. I didn't even know him by name before this film, and why? Because he rarely promotes his films... ever.

Althought it's a little odd that you didn't know of Norton before TIH, it's understandable.

However, this is his first big budget film. Whether he rarely promotes his films or not (to be fair, he has rarely been in main stream films where promotion is key), it comes with the territory on a Hulk like the Hulk, and Norton knows this. Press tour. Interviews. Talk shows. It's all a part of the package when you sign up to be an action star and the face of a big budget franchise.

I'm will to bet that Norton would have done as much promotion as Marvel wanted him to, had he had a positive experience and if he was more passionate about the film, which shouldn't be the case.

 

[FrostBite]

Althought it's a little odd that you didn't know of Norton before TIH, it's understandable.

However, this is his first big budget film. Whether he rarely promotes his films or not (to be fair, he has rarely been in main stream films where promotion is key), it comes with the territory on a Hulk like the Hulk, and Norton knows this. Press tour. Interviews. Talk shows. It's all a part of the package when you sign up to be an action star and the face of a big budget franchise.

I'm will to bet that Norton would have done as much promotion as Marvel wanted him to, had he had a positive experience and if he was more passionate about the film, which shouldn't be the case.

I knew him, just not by name. I will fully admit I am no film buff. Most of my reviewing work was in the whole "videogame" department. Though, I still worked more with movies than music.

And yes, I understand how it looks, but he is simply not RDJ. RDJ will pimp something like no tomorrow (and boy is he good at it.) Ed is as I said... a recluse. When he showed up on Unscripted after this whole "feud" thing, he was joking around with Liv and LL about the cuts and never once seemed upset. The entire time, he joked, and played around. Also, showing up on Jimmy Kimmel with a sense of humor towards the project.

I am sure if these cuts brought out his hidden beast that dwells within all of us, he wouldn't even want to talk about the film, let alone joke about it.

Not to mention in the Kimmel sketch he was mentioning how he was trying to resurrect a dead franchise.

 

[FrostBite]

Edit: Stupid Hype and it's double posting for frostbite today.

 

[buggs0268]

wrong thread

 

[the_ultimate_evil]

so whats the general view of the "professional" critics, any i've seen have said it's mindless rubbish, and a blight on cinema

i personally loved it, so whats that say about me

 

[JackMercy]

I am sure if these cuts brought out his hidden beast that dwells within all of us, he wouldn't even want to talk about the film, let alone joke about it.

Not to mention in the Kimmel sketch he was mentioning how he was trying to resurrect a dead franchise.

...And that is why you will never see Edward Norton starring in an Ang Lee film...

That was a pret-ty bold move by Mr. N., I have to admit...

Fanboys and audiences complaining about the film is one thing, but...

It's generally the rule in this industry that you don't openly criticize your industry peers -- and potential future collaborators -- in public...

Oh, and he barely has talked about the film since production ended...

I'm willing to bet it was a struggle to even get him to do the AOL thing or the premiere...he probably only did them because Letterier (whom he seems to get along with) asked him nicely, not for Marvel...and I'd also bet that, upon his agreement to do either of these events, he or his handlers gave strict orders that "the subject" wouldn't be asked about or discussed...

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2008-06-05-incredible-hulk_N.htm

Still, Leterrier says, it was publicity the film didn't need. "Edward handed me his notes and walked from the project," he says.

I don't know how much clearer it can get...

I believe that's staying "within the boundaries of fact that was printed."

At the end of the day, he didn't even get a script credit. After all the work he apparently put in, he can't be happy about that...

Yes, he showed at the premiere... and promptly jumped on a jet to Africa (for a month!) a few hours later...

theShape said...

However, this is his first big budget film. Whether he rarely promotes his films or not (to be fair, he has rarely been in main stream films where promotion is key), it comes with the territory on a [summer tentpole movie] like the Hulk, and Norton knows this. Press tour. Interviews. Talk shows. It's all a part of the package when you sign up to be an action star and the face of a big budget franchise.

I'm willing to bet that Norton would have done as much promotion as Marvel wanted him to, had he had a positive experience and if he was more passionate about the film

Egg-sactly...

This movie would have made $10-$20 mil more on opening weekend, had Norton got out and sold it in a major way, as every other actor would have...

Pacino even did Letterman for 88 Minutes, a dull, dreadfully-reviewed film that had been finished (and released in many international territories) a long, long time before its U.S. release!

 

[FrostBite]

Way to take the quote out of context. He said Ed handed him his notes for what he'd like for the edits and walked away from the project. It doesn't mean "he abandoned the entire thing."

It means he didn't rant an rave like everyone claims. There were not hours of fighting and turmoil.

Also the writing credit thing has happened on FAR more projects than this, and I am sure he should have assumed it would happen again. He isn't part of the WGA to my knowledge thus this happened.

But yes, let's keep over-analyzing it even though Ed said himself on several occasions it was no big deal and fans shouldn't be concerning themselves in such incredibly trivial matters.

But again, let's keep fighting over this crap, as if it all matters. Either he comes back or he doesn't it's not the end of the freaking world.

But let's just say your right so we don't get another long paragraph over nonsensical issues. Because really, Frostbite's not in the mood.

 

[mojo-x]

...did Batman and Robin ruin the Batman franchise for life?

Since U mention batman I compare Batman Begins opening to TIH and there very simiulare

Heres TIH
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSESDomestic: $66,226,305 68.3%+ Foreign: $30,766,138 31.7%= Worldwide: $96,992,443
DOMESTIC SUMMARYOpening Weekend: $55,414,050(3,505 theaters, $15,810 average)% of Total Gross: 83.7%Widest Release: 3,505 theatersIn Release: 5 days / 0.7 weeks
Heres BBDomestic:

$205,343,774​

55.2%​

+ Foreign:

$166,510,009​

44.8%​

​

= Worldwide:

$371,853,783​

DOMESTIC SUMMARY

Opening Weekend:​

$48,745,440

(3,858 theaters, $12,634 average)​

% of Total Gross:​

23.7%

Widest Release:
3,858 theaters

Close Date:
October 30, 2005

In Release:
142 days / 20.3 weeks

 

[FrostBite]

66% on RT now guys, 5% above Ang's now, it seems as though Critics are pretty evenly split on these movies. It's either, you like one, or you like the other.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's a good thing this movie's success doesn't hinge on the critics opinions.

 

[ant3ros]

It's a good thing this movie's success doesn't hinge on the critics opinions.

Why? It was pretty unanimous among the major critics that TIH was worth seeing. By major critics, I mean critics who write for the top national newspapers and magazines. According to Yahoo, it has a critics average of B- while Iron Man got B+. Pretty good opinions by the critics, I think.

 

[FrostBite]

It's a good thing this movie's success doesn't hinge on the critics opinions.

Forget where I read it (probably in the Box Office Thread as that would be the most logical place) fan reception is up to 85% as compared to Ang's 40+% ... looks like a good sign for it's success, seeing as it's only other action movie competition is ... Wanted, which is rated R.

Still never know what will happen and I don't know how to predict anything in the B.O.