Days of Future Past The official X-men First Class BD/DVD thread

[Nerial]

This is why I feel less guilty about the idea of just watching the deleted scenes when they hit YouTube and other various sites. I'll still buy the DVD, but you seriously won't give me the deleted scenes because it's not Blu-Ray? Fine, I'll spend two seconds clicking around on the internet and find them myself. Fox Corp. jackasses.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

What BO disappointment... it made quite a bit of money...

It came in at 11th place this summer & will probably end up at 13th when Cowboys & Aliens & Rise of The Planet of The Apes finish their Domestic run. Captain America, a new unproven character, broke its overall Domestic BO in 2 weeks. Its very much a disappointment & sadly so since it was the best CBM of 2011.

 

[BMM]

Cowboys and Aliens is going into its third weekend with less than $75 million ($35 million less than First Class at the same time), and consistently higher percentage drops...

And Captain America did not surpass $145 million in two weeks.

 

[danoyse]

Captain America isn't exactly new and unproven, either. He's been around longer than the X-Men have.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

And Captain America did not surpass $145 Million in two weeks.

You're right. It took 18 days. Big difference.

Captain America isn't exactly new and unproven, either. He's been around longer than the X-Men have.

I meant he's new and unproven cinematically. The X-Men had been on film a decade before First Class and grossed over a billion dollars through 4 films.

 

[BMM]

You're right. It took 18 days. Big difference. I meant he's new and unproven cinematically. The X-Men had been on film a decade before First Class and grossed over a billion dollars through 4 films.

19 days and a near $17 million difference, actually.[FONT=&quot]
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[Alexei Belyakov]

19 days and a near $17 million difference, actually.[FONT=&quot]
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I read 18 days. But regardless, 18 days or 19 days, it can't be very encouraging for Fox to see that Captain America, a raw, unproven costumed hero in film, that didn't get half the good press First Class got, matched its entire Domestic Gross in under 3 weeks. That reads box office disappointment in my book.

 

[akfj]

It's a disappointment to Fox if they projected that it would make more than it did. So, does anyone know how much Fox projected it to make? Or is it just speculation?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I doubt they projected it to make less [Domestically] than what it cost, or to make so much less than its surrounding CBMs this year. As far as the franchise goes, its been the least successful. While it made as much money internationally as Origins did, it came in $35 million lighter in-house. It didn't bomb as disastrously as Green Lantern did, but these returns are definitely underwhelming.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well Captain America was new to most of the viewers and it has 3D! Of course its gonna outgross X-Men: First Class. X-Men: First Class didn't have Wolverine and its a prequel. It was like a no-brainer that it will not sell that much compare to the other X-Men movies.

 

[akfj]

I doubt they projected it to make less [Domestically] than what it cost, or to make so much less than its surrounding CBMs this year. As far as the franchise goes, its been the least successful. While it made as much money internationally as Origins did, it came in $35 million lighter in-house. It didn't bomb as disastrously as Green Lantern did, but these returns are definitely underwhelming.

It made more domestically than what it cost (domestic gross=$145 million, budget including tax breaks=$135 million). However, domestic box office grosses are down this year pretty much all around. The only confirmed report we got from Fox is that the opening weekend surpassed their expectations. Anything else is speculation regarding what Fox thinks of its box office performance.

As far as other comic book films, I think it was a given that Thor and Captain America would make more given that they were far more hyped than First Class and were riding off of the momentum of Marvel Studios' other successes. First Class was coming off of the disappointment of prior X-Men films, and far more people were doubting First Class than giving it a chance.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

akfj, I am yet to be sold on the whole tax-break thing. Box Office Mojo nor any of the other sites that track BO are addressing those $25 Million in tax breaks. Plus, if it is true then tax breaks may have been given to all of the prior films in the franchise as well or to all the other CBMs but are not being taken into account. I doubt it was an exclusive deduction given to just this one movie. Wikipedia has the budget listed at 140-160 which implies uncertainty regarding the matter as well. Even if at the lowest the film cost $140, a $5 million profit in-house is terrible & reminiscent of F4:2's Domestic BO which pretty much shut down that franchise. Also, the whole "this movie was coming off 2 bad movies" argument is moot because the prior movie made more money. While the fans hated Origins, the GA connected very well with it (it made Thor numbers in '09 without 3D conversion/IMAX). Also, Domestic BO isn't down. TF3 & HP7 will round $400 million each, Hangover II made $250, Fast 5 $210 & Thor $181.

 

[BMM]

akfj, I am yet to be sold on the whole tax-break thing. Box Office Mojo nor any of the other sites that track BO are addressing those $25 Million in tax breaks. Plus, if it is true then tax breaks may have been given to all of the prior films in the franchise as well or to all the other CBMs but are not being taken into account. I doubt it was an exclusive deduction given to just this one movie. Wikipedia has the budget listed at 140-160 which implies uncertainty regarding the matter as well. Even if at the lowest the film cost $140, a $5 million profit in-house is terrible & reminiscent of F4:2's Domestic BO which pretty much shut down that franchise. Also, the whole "this movie was coming off 2 bad movies" argument is moot because the prior movie made more money. While the fans hated Origins, the GA connected very well with it (it made Thor numbers in '09 without 3D conversion/IMAX). Also, Domestic BO isn't down. TF3 & HP7 will round $400 million each, Hangover II made $250, Fast 5 $210 & Thor $181.

How much someone pays to see a movie for the first time isn't indicative of their opinion of it afterward. Just because it made money, doesn't mean it didn't leave a sour taste in people's mouths. Audience interest in franchises lessens for a reason. People don't just connect with something very well and then turn their backs on it.

Also, domestic box office is down from this time last year (nearly 5%), and every single sequel released this summer, save for Harry Potter (for obvious reasons), has performed worse than its predecessor.

 

[Veidt]

It came in at 11th place this summer & will probably end up at 13th when Cowboys & Aliens & Rise of The Planet of The Apes finish their Domestic run. Captain America, a new unproven character, broke its overall Domestic BO in 2 weeks. Its very much a disappointment & sadly so since it was the best CBM of 2011.

X-Men: First Class is the 10th highest grossing movie of 2011.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

X-Men: First Class is the 10th highest grossing movie of 2011.

Domestic BO: #1. Harry Potter 7 - $350 Million. #2. Transformers 3 - $346 Million. #3. The Hangover II - $254 Million. #4. Pirates 4 - $239 Million. #5. Fast Five - $210 Million. #6. Cars 2 - $185 Million. #7. Thor - $181 Million. #8. Bridesmaids - $167 Million. #9. Kung Fu Panda 2 - $163 Million. #10. Captain America - $150 Million. *Rise of The Planet of The Apes will round $100 Million by Monday after only 2 weeks. Its on its way to knocking First Class down another spot.

 

[Angamb]

I knew Captain America was going to steal that position.

New movie from the Avengers franchise, new Captain America version under Marvel studio and with 3D.

This movie was going to make more than First Class clearly.

 

[lastairbender]

Talking about DVD/BD...

i want this:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463376736&pf_rd_i=489986

Why is this a limited collector edition? just because of the cover?

http://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B00...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463375513&pf_rd_i=405320

 

[X-Maniac]

Captain America was enjoyable but by-the-numbers. Maybe a bit better than Thor. Harry Potter has topped the Uk box office for four weeks here, neither Super 8 nor Captain America have been No1 on release here.

Fox's attention is on The Wolverine now so we won't know what they're doing with the main X-Men team for a while.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

How much someone pays to see a movie for the first time isn't indicative of their opinion of it afterward. Just because it made money, doesn't mean it didn't leave a sour taste in people's mouths. Audience interest in franchises lessens for a reason. People don't just connect with something very well and then turn their backs on it.

Also, domestic box office is down from this time last year (nearly 5%), and every single sequel released this summer, save for Harry Potter (for obvious reasons), has performed worse than its predecessor.

The Rotten Tomatoes "audience" rating indicates that the general audience did in fact enjoy the movie.

The fanbase may have hated it, but that opinion is not shared by casual audiences.

 

[the_wolf_nears]

I guess that puts me square in the middle. I'm not a casual movie goer when it comes to comics, especially the X-Men. Been a big fan from the '92 Animated series, even bigger fan from the 2000 movie, but I still liked Wolverine: Origins, but the reason I enjoyed that movie is because, Wolverine is not my favorite character and therefore all changes made to his character didn't affect me one bit, and the fact the Gambit FINALLY got screen time.

He's my all-time favorite mutant.

 

[BobbyCorwin88]

It's a true shame First Class didn't do better at the BO. The most honest X-Men interpretation put on screen by far. I really only had a problem with January Jones as Emma Frost. But I never really liked Frost to begin with so it was pretty much inevitable for me. Also they shouldn't have killed off Darwin so quick. The X-Men franchise is pretty notorious for killing off character who don't deserve it.

Still, it was my favorite CBM this summer.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I'm with ya, Bobby. First Class was the best CBM this summer & in the last 3 years. Though its Rupert Wyatt's Rise of The Planet of The Apes that takes the cake for me as best movie of the 2011 Summer season. This was a great year for FOX.

 

[BMM]

The Rotten Tomatoes "audience" rating indicates that the general audience did in fact enjoy the movie.

The fanbase may have hated it, but that opinion is not shared by casual audiences.

Casual audience members aren't people who follow the Tomatometer to the extent that they sign up for a movie based website, leaving reviews as though they're the next Gene Siskel. Also, people don't have to hate a movie to acknowledge a lack in quality and realize it's not worth their money. Regardless of Rotten Tomatoes user ratings, I find it much more telling that, after the "sub-par" X-Men movies, interest in the X-Men franchise dropped.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Casual audience members aren't people who follow the Tomatometer to the extent that they sign up for a movie based website, leaving reviews as though they're the next Gene Siskel. Also, people don't have to hate a movie to acknowledge a lack in quality and realize it's not worth their money. Regardless of Rotten Tomatoes user ratings, I find it much more telling that, after the "sub-par" X-Men movies, interest in the X-Men franchise dropped.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the series has overextended itself to the point of spin offs and prequels and is already 2 movies beyond a film called "The Last Stand" that was meant to conclude the series in the GA's eyes, and is still constantly giving us the same story of humans hate mutants but mutants still fight to protect those that fear and hate them.

And that's not a knock on X-Men: First Class which was a great movie. But they really are rehashing the same storyline over and over again. I remember general audience complains when X-Men: The Last Stand came out that "Magneto is STILL the bad guy? When are they gonna do something new?"

Also, you can justify it how you want, but Rotten Tomatoes does have an audience review section, and it does get reviews, and both X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which the fanbase wants to blame for X-Men: First Class's poor box office performance, both have positive audience marks, indicating that the general audience did in fact enjoy those movies.

Those 2 movies aren't the reason for the disappointing performance of X-Men: First Class. I firmly believe the franchise has over-extended itself, thus the drop in interest. In the GA's eyes, these movies are just rehashing the same thing over and over again.

As a fan, X-Men: First Class was an amazing movie, because it showed 2 vital characters of the lore and showed us their history together, and it did it very well. As a general audience member, it's "oh, another one".

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It's a true shame First Class didn't do better at the BO. The most honest X-Men interpretation put on screen by far. I really only had a problem with January Jones as Emma Frost. But I never really liked Frost to begin with so it was pretty much inevitable for me. Also they shouldn't have killed off Darwin so quick. The X-Men franchise is pretty notorious for killing off character who don't deserve it.

Still, it was my favorite CBM this summer.

I would argue with most "honest" X-Men interpretation. I still feel like that goes to the original X-Men movie.

X-Men: First Class had probably the most deviations from the source material in the entire franchise.

-Raven and Charles having a deeper relationship than even Erik and Charles.

-First Class team consisting of characters like Banshee, Havok, Darwin, and Angel Salvatore which Cyclops nowhere near the mix (no, I don't need the "original 5", but in every version of X-Men, Cyclops has always been "the first X-Man")

-Hellfire Club including Riptide and Azazel.

-Moira McTaggert as a CIA agent.

As an adaption, I felt it strayed even further from the source material than X-Men: The Last Stand.

I still don't hold it against the movie tho, it was a great movie, and like all of 'em, I feel it did more right than wrong, and the changes don't make it a bad movie. I just wouldn't call it the most "honest" interpretation.