BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 1

[Rowsdower!]

How could u vote without watching it 1st???
u r a sheep following the herd. Words can really kill a good man... sad... pure sad...

I probably jumped the gun there, I know. I really do hope I love the movie when I go and see it. But I can't deny that this poor reception from critics has felt like someone dumped a bucket of cold water on my enthusiasm for the movie.

 

[MaceB]

Personally, I think that the studio should take more blame than Snyder... though there seems to be plenty of responsibility to go around. I see the broad strokes of this movie to be a big mistake, and I imagine most of those things were out of Zach's directorial control.
The whole "Batman v Superman" thing is, in itself, a seeming attempt by WB to bring in a character more palatable to the GA. Adding Doomsday also seems like a studio decision, as he is part of the (if not the) most popular Superman arch in the past 20 years. Ben Affleck's casting (which turned out well luckily). [BLACKOUT]The forced set up of JL.[/BLACKOUT] Maybe those were Snyder's decisions, but I just suspect not. If they had told Zach, "sweet, well where do you want to take Superman next? Let's not rock the boat and just make a solid sequel," then I suspect things would have been different.
The frustrating thing, of course, is that they had wayyyy toooo much time to right the boat on this one. The film has been largely finished for a year. They could have easily done reshoots and retouches after seeing the final product. That's where I think Zach's real failing is. Nolan seemed to have the ability to control the story how he wanted... he was involved from the start with the screenplay all the way to the end, and you felt like it was his steady hand that was guiding the whole operation. With Snyder, I don't get that feeling. I get a sense of him giving up, like saying, "this is what I've been asked to do, so I'm gonna make it look as cool as I can, and follow the script to the letter." Where's the insistence on quality story telling? Where's the push back? Who was there to say, "stop, this needs to be changed." I suspect no one. They got on a track, and they followed that track right into this. Someone needs to take this thing by the horns and focus on making a compelling story, not a plot by the numbers / follow the formula sort of approach. It really seems like WB doesn't understand their property like Marvel does theres.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I loved MOS and I have yet to see BvS. But I still voted "sack Snyder." I'm just sick of divisive (or in this case panned) DC movies. Something has to change. Maybe I'll be singing a different tune after I watch the movie later today, but even if I love it, I still think I want to see someone else take the helm who can make a movie that doesn't leave half the audience pissed off. The cast is there. I think Cavill is a great Superman and I've heard mostly good things about Affleck and Gadot. Jason Momoa is good. Ezra Miller is a great actor. Ray Fisher is an accomplished stage actor and hopefully that will translate well to film. Time to find someone who can use them all the right way.

We should wait for fan reaction, but from the onslaught yesterday I have to agree. I'm tired of having to fight for DC and defend their films. I don't want tripe from them but "bad editing, scenes that don't flow together etc." is not what Superman and Batman on screen deserve.

 

[titansupes]

We should wait for fan reaction, but from the onslaught yesterday I have to agree. I'm tired of having to fight for DC and defend their films. I don't want tripe from them but "bad editing, scenes that don't flow together etc." is not what Superman and Batman on screen deserve.

There's a lot more than that going on. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, really... But it completely butchers both their characters in ways I've never seen.

 

[Deserana]

There's a lot more than that going on. I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, really... But it completely butchers both their characters in ways I've never seen.

Ive not seen the film but I've heard

Spoiler

Batman just casually kills

Seriously? Zack loves the character then does that? I get its in the characters early history but still, it's one of his defining traits now.

 

[titansupes]

Ive not seen the film but I've heard

Spoiler

Batman just casually kills

Seriously? Zack loves the character then does that? I get its in the characters early history but still, it's one of his defining traits now.

Spoiler

It happens. He kills virtually everyone he comes into contact with. Not by happenstance-- just on purpose, 'cuz.

And in spite of them saying otherwise through dialogue later-- Superman totally murders a guy in Africa. And he does it with a smirk.

Zack loves Batman. But he does NOT understand him.
Zack SAYS he loves Superman. But to paraphrase someone else's review-- We suspected he didn't understand him in MoS... In BvS, we suspect he actually hates him.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

wonder how the comic con crowd will treat him this year when he comes out

 

[nite-owl]

I'm someone else!

wonder how the comic con crowd will treat him this year when he comes out

 

[SpideyZERO]

Sack Snyder. We need somebody competent for JL

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Snyder response to the batman thing in BVS

Spoiler

. I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

 

[sf2]

We should wait for fan reaction, but from the onslaught yesterday I have to agree. I'm tired of having to fight for DC and defend their films. I don't want tripe from them but "bad editing, scenes that don't flow together etc." is not what Superman and Batman on screen deserve.

you don't have to try to defend it. it is that good. you just wanna defend it naturally...

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wow.

 

[Ahasverus]

Just go away Snyder, please, if you have any respect left (and going by your Batman interview you don't), please leave.

 

[miltonh]

Sack Snyder, of course.

 

[SpideyZERO]

Snyder response to the batman thing in BVS

Spoiler

. I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

Did Frank Miller somehow write him the wrong book?

This is unbelievable

 

[Serpico Jones]

I have been a Zack Snyder defender for many years but the time likely has come to make a change. It's going to be tough replacing him on such short notice though.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

There's no way he's being replaced for JL. I don't see them bringing him back for anything else though, he'll just stay in the executive producer role.

 

[TheScarecrow]

I simply have no interest in seeing a Justice League movie (or any other movie) directed by Zack Snyder.

I will never forgive him for what he did to Superman in this movie. He showed a complete lack of respect for the source material of both Batman and Superman. I cannot believe I openly supported him following MOS (which I assume I still love, although this movie was so bad it could possibly have ruined Cavill's Superman for me forever).

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I have been a Zack Snyder defender for many years but the time likely has come to make a change. It's going to be tough replacing him on such short notice though.

Same goes for me. I like some of his movies and style but obviously he has no interest or clue what is acceptable and what's not in these type of movies.

He should try Spawn or God of War movie etc. He seems like out of his element.

I was confident WB had good group of people who decides what to do and what to stay away but this whole thing makes it like they give everything Syder to do something with it.

Actually Conan movie with Snyder directing might be a good thing to see.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I have been a Zack Snyder defender for many years but the time likely has come to make a change. It's going to be tough replacing him on such short notice though.

If you want short notice, hand it off to Affleck

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Thankfully I'm pretty sure WB have cut the Wachowski siblings off from making big budget movies after Jupiter Ascending. So it we could see Snyder leave

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh yeah give this mess to the Oscar winning director who didn't want it the first time.

 

[Monochron]

wonder how the comic con crowd will treat him this year when he comes out

I'm sure there we'll be plenty of people in the crowd who loved/liked BvS.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

We don't know what affleck's tendencies are. There are many good directors around but WB can't let them do whatever they want with these characters.

Some of the things i hear about Batman is abomination of the character. Regardless i'll watch the movie and consider it was an elseworld or something.

 

[Lily Adler]

In other news, Sam Mendes, George Miller, and Duncan Jones are on the short list to replace Snyder.