BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Baneis8feettall]

The producers aren't helping either...
Charles Roven said that his favorite scene is when Jesse shakes Clark's hand and puts on one of the most cliche superhero tropes.

 

[Jaxon]

I am sure Civil War is doing it right, there needs to be history between the characters like Steve Rogers and Tony Stark, their different ideologies, conflict of interest, different loyalties etc.

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Civil War is going to have to do a hell of a job to convince the audience that Tony Stark wants to be regulated because I've seen nothing from the previous films that would make me believe that enough things have happened for him to suddenly become a person who wants to be controlled when he resolves every situation on the opposite.
Basically Tony's reckless style would have to kill Rhodey for him to want that.

 

[lukebrodyg]

Civil War is going to have to do a hell of a job to convince the audience that Tony Stark wants to be regulated because I've seen nothing from the previous films that would make me believe that enough things have happened for him to suddenly become a person who wants to be controlled when he resolves every situation on the opposite.
Basically Tony's reckless style would have to kill Rhodey for him to want that.

I agree.

As for BVS, I felt like the motivation for Superman and Batman was one of the better things about the movie. Again, for me.

 

[matt47]

I don't care what Synder say at this point. He has problems to speak clearly anyway.

Besides i don't think he'll be on helm long time. I heard him & Cavill wants to do another Superman movie... good luck with that if BvS can't reach a billion.

I'm not Snyder basher, i think he is a fine director at his own style but this DC universe doesn't seem good fit for him now.

That is not something you want in a director.

 

[lukebrodyg]

This is the stupidest thing I ever heard. This guy has no business directing any superhero movie.

I can't wait to see how the Snyder defenders rationalize this as a good thing.

I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm a Snyder "defender" but I've largely supported his right to approach these characters as he's been paid to do. I have also really appreciated his general enthusiasm for the characters and universe.

But this quote from him is ridiculous I will agree. As an audience, we're past any preconceived notions about people being dressed in suits talking to each other by the time we pay for a ticket. I don't like his logic here at all...

 

[Poni_Boy]

Civil War is going to have to do a hell of a job to convince the audience that Tony Stark wants to be regulated because I've seen nothing from the previous films that would make me believe that enough things have happened for him to suddenly become a person who wants to be controlled when he resolves every situation on the opposite.
Basically Tony's reckless style would have to kill Rhodey for him to want that.

You're assuming that

 

[javonstokess]

Civil War is going to have to do a hell of a job to convince the audience that Tony Stark wants to be regulated because I've seen nothing from the previous films that would make me believe that enough things have happened for him to suddenly become a person who wants to be controlled when he resolves every situation on the opposite.
Basically Tony's reckless style would have to kill Rhodey for him to want that.

Why is it hard to believe? In IM1, as soon as he's rescued from captivity, he begins his speech talking about how he lived a life of zero accountability and that was before aliens destroyed NY, SHIELD fell on DC, Hulk destroyed Africa and Sokovia blew up.

From what I've seen on trailers, it seems like something happens that involves Bucky and the majority of the conflict comes from Steve and Tony taking different sides in regards with what to do with him.

 

[STARMAN]

Snyder stripped everything in the name of realism to the point where there is nothing left. Not even a movie.

 

[Lencho01]

Having read more about it I kinda get what's Snyder is trying to say. Essentially if Bats and Supes talk it out there's no reason for them to fight. But that in and of itself exposes a flaw with this concept with two heroes fighting each other. Without a history between the two characters all you can really do is have them not interact. The problem of course is this leads to a conflict that has little at stake because you can't build the fight up properly. This concept doesn't work unless there's already history between the two characters, as I'm certain Civil War is about to show us in 3 weeks.

This is why when they revealed the idea that they would be fighting I thought it would end up making both characters look dumb. Remember how dumb Iron Man and Thor looked with their brief battle in Avengers? This was that on a bigger scale.

 

[Micromind]

I don't care what Synder say at this point. He has problems to speak clearly anyway.

Besides i don't think he'll be on helm long time. I heard him & Cavill wants to do another Superman movie... good luck with that if BvS can't reach a billion.

I'm not Snyder basher, i think he is a fine director at his own style but this DC universe doesn't seem good fit for him now.

Yeah, Snyder is Not the most eloquent person when it comes to explaining what's going on in his mind.

Singling him out for some random comment (which could be some vague idea or his personal opinion) seems like a petty thing to do.

As far as him directing another Superman movie in future, I think the chances are really slim, unless WB are not able to find any other director for the task.

 

[DA_Champion]

Snyder stripped everything in the name of realism to the point where there is nothing left. Not even a movie.

It's not a realistic movie though.

 

[STARMAN]

I know it's not a realistic movie. But in Snyder's eyes it is. That's one of his problems. The choices he makes in the name of realism in an unrealistic movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I am a Snyder fan and like his movies, including BvS which I finally saw last night.

But I do think he indulged himself a bit too much at times. I have always liked Snyder's dream sequences, but having about 5 or 6 in the movie here was a bit too much and even I got sick of it. I thought he allowed Eisenberg to go a bit too hammy with his Luthor as well.

Snyder's movies are definitely an acquired taste so I think he does need to be reigned in a bit more for JL.

 

[Light]

I am a Snyder fan and like his movies, including BvS which I finally saw last night.

But I do think he indulged himself a bit too much at times. I have always liked Snyder's dream sequences, but having about 5 or 6 in the movie here was a bit too much and even I got sick of it. I thought he allowed Eisenberg to go a bit too hammy with his Luthor as well.

Snyder's movies are definitely an acquired taste so I think he does need to be reigned in a bit more for JL.

I think the casting of Eisenberg was Snyder trying to emulate Nolan and Ledger. He probably thought an unconventional casting would equate to a phenomenal performance and he will be lauded as a genius.

 

[WBwins]

I think the casting of Eisenberg was Snyder trying to emulate Nolan and Ledger. He probably thought an unconventional casting would equate to a phenomenal performance and he will be lauded as a genius.

Agreed.He even tried to turn Lex to a Joker ripoff.Snyder has this annoying tendency to Batman up the characters

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I think the casting of Eisenberg was Snyder trying to emulate Nolan and Ledger. He probably thought an unconventional casting would equate to a phenomenal performance and he will be lauded as a genius.

You could be right. In fairness to Snyder, casting is one of his strengths and I liked this casting and the idea behind it. I just think he gave Eisenberg a bit too much freedom to do his thing and it hurt the movie at times.

 

[Krandor]

"I kinda came to the conclusion also that they couldn't really talk in their suits, um, with any credibility..."
"... more than four or five lines and you start to notice, like wait, these are two guys ... one guys dressed up like a bat and the other has a big red 'S' on his chest, and they're being super serious about how mad they are at each other..."

https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazi...with-zack-snyder-charles-roven-deborah-snyder

Of course not because then the movie would have been over.

That in my mind if the crux of the problem with this movie. They decided early on batman and superman must fight and then had a force a plot around that decision. Made the whole movie and the fight feel forced because I think it was.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think Snyder has a great visual eye.

But I dont think he really respects the source material. I think he likes the ideas of the heroes, in terms of powers but doesn't like, understand, or respect other things about them.

To me, that was very evident with how he treats Superman

 

[titansupes]

I think Snyder has a great visual eye.

But I dont think he really respects the source material. I think he likes the ideas of the heroes, in terms of powers but doesn't like, understand, or respect other things about them.

To me, that was very evident with how he treats Superman

I sadly agree.

 

[Tony Gunk]

To be fair I would never have called Ledger's casting unorthodox. It was unexpected, but that's about it, I always thought people who wrote him off were just morons. No lessons had been learned from Keaton's Batman casting in 88

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think Snyder has a great visual eye.

But I don't think he really respects the source material. I think he likes the ideas of the heroes, in terms of powers but doesn't like, understand, or respect other things about them.

To me, that was very evident with how he treats Superman

If he did, he'd easily have the best Batman and Superman onscreen :'(

Heck, I'd argue their chemistry in the promos were more like the comics than the movie itself

 

[BatLobster]

You know what I find kind of odd though? The amount of people who were still cheerleading this movie all the way, even though so much of what people are now complaining about was readily apparent from the trailers (especially the first two).

Dark and gloomy tone? Batman blowing up folks in the Bat-wing? Superman looking all mopey and conflicted about being a savior? The list goes on, but it was all in the trailers.

I can understand having issues with the pacing/editing, and the way the Batman/Superman conflict was handled in the story but all the direction of the characterization and tone have been pretty crystal clear to me since the first teaser dropped. I guess as fans we can't help but hope for the best, especially for a movie of this historic magnitude. I know a lot of faith was put into Terrio, but to me this movie really feels like Snyder's baby through and through. Don't forget, originally the story was something he and Goyer came up with together. I'm sure he was very involved in the development of the script. His sensibilities are all over the story, not just the visuals. This movie is pure Zack Snyder.

I've been telling my friends when they ask me about BvS, "It has some big issues, but if you loved MoS and Watchmen, there's a good chance you'll enjoy BvS."

I am not a huge fan of either of those films though, so my enjoyment of BvS was about on par, maybe a bit more just for if only for the novelty of seeing Batfleck and Wonder Woman for the first time.

 

[Lily Adler]

I don't quite recall Bruce and Clark openly commenting on having sexual encounters to the media.

 

[MadVillainy]

To be fair I would never have called Ledger's casting unorthodox. It was unexpected, but that's about it, I always thought people who wrote him off were just morons. No lessons had been learned from Keaton's Batman casting in 88

i dont like this line of thinking.

Yes there are unexpected, unorthodox, etc. casting choices that work, but then there are those that don't work as well.

 

[Limonade]

This is why when they revealed the idea that they would be fighting I thought it would end up making both characters look dumb. Remember how dumb Iron Man and Thor looked with their brief battle in Avengers? This was that on a bigger scale.

To be honest, There were no real stakes other than Loki's captivity in that battle. Plus, it wasn't as intense as Superman and Batman fight was.