BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

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Excellent point.



It's really sad...I feel like the live action adaptation of TDKR is the movie that Snyder would've been destined to nail (if you're a fan of the super-faithful CBM adaptation style like Sin City, 300, Watchmen, etc). This movie kind of shows that.

Of course, given how great the animated version was...it would be redundant and kind of unnecessary. But an Elseworlds, stand alone story is probably a better fit for Snyder than a giant tentpole, franchise-building movie like this.

I disagree entirely. I feel like Snyder does not even understand that story or its subtext. Snyder would totally miss the satirr and parody in that story. His attempt to adapt TDKR would be superficial and one-note.
 
Snyder has great eye for visuals but it's hard to argue that there are better directors out there.
 
Snyder is a worthless director who doesn't understsnd the basics of his own characters. His treatment of Superman is just ****ing pathetic. Complete emasculation - physical by Batman of all people and Doomsday and emotionally by all who kept talking at him while he remained silent like quiet introverted child. Wtf is zack doing? But thats ok cuz he wants teh gritty... That grittiness that's so important to a film with predominantly superman characters. Yes good Snyder, you want to make an R rated film with Superman. Wonderful. What a totally worthless talentless human being. I really hope Snyder reads these boards and suffers a mental breakdown. He deserves it after his crap treatment of such an iconic character
 
I'd keep Snyder on for the visuals, but for only that. I really did enjoy BvS, but I do think they should change the direction for the Justice League.
 
All these vitriolic comments fill me with disgust. Don't like Snyder? Fine. But spending all day complaining and throwing insults at him is a waste of everyone's time, not to mention it's a jerk thing to do.
 
All these vitriolic comments fill me with disgust. Don't like Snyder? Fine. But spending all day complaining and throwing insults at him is a waste of everyone's time, not to mention it's a jerk thing to do.

I appreciate the irony of your post.
 
I think it's more about content than directors abilities. I wish he was only the director and not the guy say what to do with DC universe .
 
I think it's more about content than directors abilities. I wish he was only the director and not the guy say what to do with DC universe .

That might help a little, but it wouldn't fix the problem, not really. You can't separate content and direction. Direction creates a lot of the content through atmosphere, angles, editing, etc. Like the script may never call for Batman to kill, but a director could choreograph, shoot and edit an action scene so that Batman kills everyone.
 
I think the Watchmen could have been better without Snyder. I liked that movie, but it's not wonderful.

considering watchmen before snyder came on board was set in modern times on the war on terror i would say hell no
 
considering watchmen before snyder came on board was set in modern times on the war on terror i would say hell no

That's not how great adaptations work. They are not about the literal details, it is more so about the themes and subtext. I would totally be up for a modern Watchman if the result was that the themes, ideas, and satire of the comic were actually brought to life. Snyder's adaption, while superficially faithful, missed the point of the comic and how it made you feel.
 
^Not to mention, Paul Greengrass is a far more superior director.
 
I think it's more about content than directors abilities. I wish he was only the director and not the guy say what to do with DC universe .

That's the biggest problem. The missing ingredient is someone at the top with intimate knowledge of the characters to keep him in check and reign him in. Nolan leaving was both a blessing and a curse. On the one hand it opened the door to the shared universe and specifically a more comic accurate Batman. On the other though, it removed the one person who seemingly had license to tell Snyder what he couldn't do. Is Miller that guy now? I hope so. His producer credit has to mean something. They're not just handing it to him for fun so he must have some influence on proceedings. What that is will remain to be seen but my hope is that he's taking over the Nolan role and helping steer things in the right direction.
 
Short Version: Snyder=Amazing director chained to uneven quality screenplays.
History is selective, the best directors are the ones who make the most classics, not tell the best stories (that's the screenwriter's job). They only appreciate as time goes by. Snyder is the former.

Film is fluff. Fluff is the cool use of cinematic technology. People dissing fluff are dissing film. The best directors know this, and add literature to justify their fluff, rather not creating something people want to see.

Art is controversy. It is always being discussed on whether it tells the truth or not, validates the viewer (ego based criticism, but it's everywhere), or says anything at all.

Zack Snyder makes artistic fluff, and hopes people see the stories.

That's what great directors do. There are very few literary minds that direct (early M Knight, Bryan Singer, Chris Nolan) but even fewer directors who cherish the art form (Wachowski's, Malick..Spielberg on a good year...)..like I said, hard to find.

As the genre is still forming (Avengers/TWS/DOF), Watchmen's deconstruction is validated, and critics like it more.

If Snyder stealthily combines Kingdom Come with Tower of Babel and substitutes the threat of language garbling with Doomsday coming to Earth, with Batman as the strategist who uses his knowledge from his Kingdom Come nightmare (Part 1, and yes, I much prefer that to the Pulp Fiction twist in the book) to give the JLA the ideas to beat Doomsday, it will be the best thing to the medium.

The Watchmen crowd will love part 1, the Avengers crowd will love part 2, and the critics will be honest for once.

And yes, I wrote to him, hoping he or WB reads this. It's really a terrific idea, and the Avengers could do something similar of Zack doesn't beat them to the punch ;)

U predicted 2 yrs ago that the critics would be honest this time around- do u still stand by that after what has now happened?
 
The Super hero genre is already LONG LONG dead. It died with all the old Fox movies, and the 90s Superhero boom.

It's VERY hard to make a movie "about" superheroes, with it being a critical financial success now. Deadpool is one of the only one's that's worked, but that's only because it was a send-up.

Guardians - A Sci-fi movie about belonging and family... that happens to have superheroes.
Winter Soldier - A political thriller... that happens to have superheros
Ant-Man - A comedy heist movie about family... that happens to have superheros.
Thor 2 - A film about Thor and his adventures. Despite being entertaining, is generally regarded as one of the weakest Marvel movies.
Green Lantern - A film about Green Lantern. Generally regarded as even weaker than Thor2.

BvS didn't connect with the critics because it was just a movie about Superheroes fighting, like Fox made back in the day. Snyder tried to inject further themes by having people talk about them... in great details.. rather than actually build the story around them.
 
What a thread this is. :funny:

So many posts saying that Snyder's a great director.
 
He's a great director indeed. I liked his Dawn of the Dead, 300, Watchmen and Man of Steel. And I loooooove Batman v Superman, even though I don't think it's a masterpiece or a perfect film... Making movies is hard, making art films is even harder, because they get attacked for not following mainstream. When I see reviews like 2.5/10, that tells me about "glaring" plot holes, which, in fact, are not, I begin to regret being a fan of comics and comic book movies.
 
What a thread this is. :funny:

So many posts saying that Snyder's a great director.

I think Snyder has great visual flair and has a feel for (hand to hand) action other than that I think he is a terrible story teller with no idea of plot or pacing and his idea of subtlety or subtext is to withhold information from the viewer.

He should definitely have a job in Hollywood, just not as a director.
 
Dawn of the Dead, 2004, 60% second weekend drop
300, 2004, 53.6% second weekend drop
Watchmen, 2009, 67.7% second weekend drop
Legends of the Guardians, 2010, 32.4% second weekend drop
Sucker Punch, 2011, 68.4% second weekend drop
Man of Steel, 2013, 64.6% second weekend drop

Two thirds of Snyder's movies have second weekend drop-offs greater than 60%.
 
I think that if Aquaman does strong and gets good reviews and good box office WB might consider James Wan for JL2. He knows how to incorporate different characters in movies like Fast and Furious and he does awesome action.
 
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