BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 3

[StormC]

Superman has no victories in the movie. He actually loses at almost everything. It's kind of amazing.

 

[Jaxon]

Superman has no victories in the movie. He actually loses at almost everything. It's kind of amazing.

And it really makes sense. For Batman and Superman to have a deep relationship going forward this made sense. For the world to embrace and trust Superman, this made sense.
If you really think about it, Superman's life would never be an easy one and the actions of this movie free him from all his burdens.

 

[samsnee]

mos soundtrack is the greatest soundtrack since the original star wars, and i'd contend it has better overall score, even though star wars has 2 iconic pieces of music in them.

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahaha

 

[matt47]

Yeah I mean, I love the MoS soundtrack, it's one of my favs for sure but I wouldn't say it's the best since Star Wars.

 

[Jaxon]

Yeah I mean, I love the MoS soundtrack, it's one of my favs for sure but I wouldn't say it's the best since Star Wars.

Since no one came up with any counters, let alone reasonable counters I win the internet.

Jaxon +1

 

[jmc]

The BvS fight is floating around on Youtube. I couldn't even get past the first minute without wanting to throw something at my monitor. The fight could have been over in two seconds had Superman just said something. That's how stupid and flimsy the movie is with its premise, it has to shut Superman up at a time where he needs to speak to Bruce the most just so they can fight. There was zero reason for him not to speak up, none.

 

[matt47]

The BvS fight is floating around on Youtube. I couldn't even get past the first minute without wanting to throw something at my monitor. The fight could have been over in two seconds had Superman just said something. That's how stupid and flimsy the movie is with its premise, it has to shut Superman up at a time where he needs to speak to Bruce the most just so they can fight. There was zero reason for him not to speak up, none.

Yeah that really annoyed me too.

 

[batfreakforever]

He tried to speak if you watched the film properly.

 

[matt47]

He tried to speak if you watched the film properly.

Don't try to defend it. If he really wanted to tell him the situation he could have. Instead of saying, "you don't understand, there's no time!" and then pushing Batman he could have just said, "Lex has my mother hostage and he wants me to fight you".

 

[obredaan]

Don't try to defend it. If he really wanted to tell him the situation he could have. Instead of saying, "you don't understand, there's no time!" and then pushing Batman he could have just said, "Lex has my mother hostage and he wants me to fight you".

He just had to say 'Lex kidnapped Martha'. 'why did you say that name!!!!'

 

[RadioSha]

He didn't even have to drop down lol

 

[Boom]

The BvS fight is floating around on Youtube. I couldn't even get past the first minute without wanting to throw something at my monitor. The fight could have been over in two seconds had Superman just said something. That's how stupid and flimsy the movie is with its premise, it has to shut Superman up at a time where he needs to speak to Bruce the most just so they can fight. There was zero reason for him not to speak up, none.

The folks over at /Film hit the nail on the head.

All Superman and Batman have to do is have one clear conversation early in the film, and Lex's plan goes out the window. Had these characters just ****ing talked to each other, there's no movie.

That's how horrible this setup was. It only works when it depicts everyone as reactionary and jumping straight to violence. You see this as early as the prologue with Thomas Wayne. And even Superman, after trying to talk to Batman briefly, continues to throw him through buildings instead of trying to find a nonviolent way to get Batman to listen. Superman most certainly has the capacity to do that. And let's not forget Superman letting criminals escape just so he could threaten Batman earlier in the film.

This movie was the equivalent of a twelve year old smashing Superman and Batman toys together.

 

[Flint Marko]

It's legitimately indefensible. Superman says just one line in an attempt to explain everything to Bruce before continually shoving and punching him through buildings. I understand that we need to get to the titular fight somehow, but wow.

He tried to speak if you watched the film properly.

I'm getting tired of BvS defenders telling detractors that they didn't watch the film correctly.

 

[DreddFan]

It's legitimately indefensible. Superman says just one line in an attempt to explain everything to Bruce before continually shoving and punching him through buildings. I understand that we need to get to the titular fight somehow, but wow.


I'm getting tired of BvS defenders telling detractors that they didn't watch the film correctly.

Still better than the justification for their fight in Miller's TDKR.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Lol Lex's entire "plan" rests on the fact that superheroes shouldn't converse while in costume because it looks ridiculous. Okey Dokey.

(And by "fact" I mean some ridiculous nonsense that Snyder said.)

 

[The_Manhunter]

Good things about the DCEU?

For me, everything so far. I'm just loving it

 

[Loki882]

I was so hoping that WW would show up just a little bit earlier, smack their heads together, and point out what clueless, trigger-happy idiots they were being.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Still better than the justification for their fight in Miller's TDKR.

Superman = government stooge

Batman = casuing social unrest

Superman is sent to take down Batman.

Pretty cut and dry.

 

[The Joker]

Miller's story is Oscar worthy compared to this movie.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The entire basis of this film, the central conflict between Batman and Superman, is fundamentally broken. They fight and then stop fighting over the flimsiest of excuses, and then stop fighting for no believable reason. Nothing happens organically or naturally in this film. It is completely unrealistic in every sense of the word.

The movie has many other problems as well, but even if they got the characters right, even if Luthor was a good villain, etc., it still wouldn't change how broken the main plot of this film is.

 

[Kobra]

I love a lot of aspects of DKR, but as a whole, that story is absolutely messy and full of nonsense. It gets a pass because it's a comic book. Cartoons and comic books are allowed to be stupid in ways that a movie would never be allowed to be. I highly doubt DKR, as it is in the comics, would ever be considered a good movie. Is it better than BvS? Well, all i can say is that, at least to me, BvS has absolutely nothing as ridiculous as Batman accepting a 13 yo girl he never met before as his side kick. A movie with a 13 yo nerd girl as Batman's side-kick would be Batman & Robin level of ridicule. Superman's character in DKR is less Superman than in BvS.

DKR is a dumb story, but i kind of like it. Like i said, i love a lot of aspectos of that comic. But i don't think i would be able to handle it as a live action movie. Everything would look just way too stupid.

 

[OcStat]

I love a lot of aspects of DKR, but as a whole, that story is absolutely messy and full of nonsense. It gets a pass because it's a comic book. Cartoons and comic books are allowed to be stupid in ways that a movie would never be allowed to be. I highly doubt DKR, as it is in the comics, would ever be considered a good movie. Is it better than BvS? Well, all i can say is that, at least to me, BvS has absolutely nothing as ridiculous as Batman accepting a 13 yo girl he never met before as his side kick. A movie with a 13 yo nerd girl as Batman's side-kick would be Batman & Robin level of ridicule. Superman's character in DKR is less Superman than in BvS.

DKR is a dumb story, but i kind of like it. Like i said, i love a lot of aspectos of that comic. But i don't think i would be able to handle it as a live action movie. Everything would look just way too stupid.

So...what the hell happened with this movie then? Because honestly man there are plenty of things more stupid in BvS than the one thing you mentioned in TDKR.

 

[DreddFan]

Superman = government stooge

Batman = casuing social unrest

Superman is sent to take down Batman.

Pretty cut and dry.

The major complaint about Snyder's universe is the characterizations were off from the classic mythos of the characters. Making Superman a Reagan lapdog was Miller actually making fun of the classic Superman mythos which he readily admitted to despising.

 

[FunkMiller]

The major complaint about Snyder's universe is the characterizations were off from the classic mythos of the characters. Making Superman a Reagan lapdog was Miller actually making fun of the classic Superman mythos which he readily admitted to despising.

So, because Miller's completely different characterisation of Superman is good... it also means that Snyder's is.... somehow?

The major complaint isn't that Snyder changed Superman's character. It's that he did a really ****ing bad job of it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The major complaint about Snyder's universe is the characterizations were off from the classic mythos of the characters. Making Superman a Reagan lapdog was Miller actually making fun of the classic Superman mythos which he readily admitted to despising.

..................and?