The Piracy Threat...?

[Figs]

Those are typically the best kind because you don't get the watered down, pop-riddled garbage you hear on the radio 24 hours a day.

Not all big arena venues as I made clear in my last post are watered down pop garbage. I only listen to Rock and Metal, they always have fairly large shows. The kind that you hear at a bar usually sucks balls. I don't go to what was my favorite bar on Fridays anymore because of the cover charge and the few times I did, the bands always, always blew donkey nuts. I know you have to start at the bottom, I guess most of the bands I happened to see at small bars were the worst/subpar of the bunch.

 

[PhotoJones]

What does that have to do with this conversation?

It has to do with something a poster said. Hence, me putting the QUOTE function to good use.

 

[BlackLantern]

So what? Just because some thing's the law doesn't mean that it's right and should be followed. It's illegal to be anything but a Muslim in Iran, does that mean you should "follow the law" and convert to Islam and report all non-Muslims? I didn't think so.

So if I decide to take my mom's car because I want it and she isnt using it its ok...? no one here is talking about reporting anyone....all I'm saying is when I hear on the news about the FBI busting down someones door because of movie or music piracy, it won't bother me at all...I might even laugh a little....

 

[jks]

Thats not true. People still do buy albums that they've downloaded that they like. I have.

the fact that there is even one person that doesn't buy what they dload discredits this argument of yours.

Seriously, would that be a bad thing? Think of it, a world without Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

That's just assinine. Just because you or I might not like a particular artist doesn't mean there isn't anyone else who does.

 

[Kritish]

So if I decide to take my mom's car because I want it and she isnt using it its ok...? no one here is talking about reporting anyone....all I'm saying is when I hear on the news about the FBI busting down someones door because of movie or music piracy, it won't bother me at all...I might even laugh a little....

My reference to Iranian law is still valid.

 

[bell110]

You and your friends may still buy the albums but to say it's not true because of you and whoever YOU know is crap. When saying that your trying to speak for the majority, which no one knows.

You just said that nobody buys albums that they download, speaking for the majority. And I've read articles were people admit that the do go out and buy albums that they like. Downloading is more of a try before you buy situation.

Yes, it would be a bad thing. Big record labels don't just produce crappy pop like Spears or Timberlake. I'm talking about "all" meaning rock, metal, hip hop, everything. Without those record labels bands couldn't go on the insane tours they do now which makes them most of their money. Without record labels they would be stuck playing small ass weak gigs at bars and would most likely still need a "real" type of ****ty job.

If there is a demand, there will be tours. It's not going away.

As for keeping a band from making it big. If the record sales suck, there wouldn't be a tour for the people to decide if they want to go to it or not.

Again read above.

 

[PemLam]

Not all big arena venues as I made clear in my last post are watered down pop garbage. I only listen to Rock and Metal, they always have fairly large shows. The kind that you hear at a bar usually sucks balls. I don't go to what was my favorite bar on Fridays anymore because of the cover charge and the few times I did, the bands always, always blew donkey nuts. I know you have to start at the bottom, I guess most of the bands I happened to see at small bars were the worst/subpar of the bunch.

True, not all...but dare I say most. Unless you're intentionally avoiding any "commercially successful" bands, all you'll hear on Top 40 type lists is regurgitated trash.

Like you, I prefer rock, however I've had decent luck with local bands. I still remember the first band I heard in a bar...1987, Hammerjacks in Baltimore...Kix. Still love some of their music.

 

[bell110]

the fact that there is even one person that doesn't buy what they dload discredits this argument of yours.

I didn't say everybody. But he said that people don't buy albums that they've downloaded, and the fact that people do discredits his arguement aswell.

That's just assinine. Just because you or I might not like a particular artist doesn't mean there isn't anyone else who does.

If they like Britney, fine, download her albums, or don't. Downloading albums isn't going to kill music.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

omg, I'm so sick of hearing this total, total, total bulls*** about, "I download the the ________, then, if I like it, I go buy it."

Omg....I'm not living in a vacuum. I'm so disgusted by this crap because EVERYone I know does it, except me.

My roommate and his girlfriend have a VAST, I'm talking VAST library of movies, hundreds of flipping movies, that they didn't pay ONE cent for, to support the people who took the big risks and busted ass to learn the crafts and create an awesome piece of art.

People have said, right here on the Hype, "Why should I pay for something I can get for free?"

MOST people that get illegal, pirated stuff, that is for sale, but that circumvent that, and steal the right to enjoy it, do not give a f*** about the law, about artists, or about anything, other than themselves.

Everybody's got 20 games illegally downloading at all times, and they haven't set foot inside a video game store since 1989 and they don't pay for anything online except for MMORPG's, and if they COULD get away with playing those illegally for free, they would, and then the companies that hire teams of hundreds of people to maintain and re-invigorate those games every month would do what Asheron's Call 2 and Auto Assault did..........SHUT DOWN.......because they aren't making any money.


GD

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Either learn how to do without or adjust your lifestyle so you can get access to those films by legal means..Entertainment is not a right, its a luxury.....

It is a luxury but there’s brainless entertainment and then there’s inspirational entertainment, which occasionally can be called art. Inspirational entertainment is the one which grants a particular form of education to those people who seek it. Subsequently those people may create other art or function to better all our lives, for the sake of progress.
Sadly the two kinds are mashed in one and most often the first is much more preferred than the later. But that’s beside the point.
My point is that humans are curious by nature. There has to exist the option to satisfy that nature (either for a cost or for free, that’s irrelevant). Otherwise people are suppressing other people’s natural progression.
And anyway, we are all interconnected. How many dead animals you had to eat today? How many people in line stood before you and were responsible for you not making somewhere in time? How many red lights you had to stop and waste time at before you finally arrived to your destination? Who took the only job vacancy you so desperately desired? Life goes on and we all have a part in each others’, big or small as it may be.

 

[BlackLantern]

^^^once agan well said Will.....I own 4 Xbox 360 games, all of which I paid for....each one of my movies I have bought either new or pre-viewed from one store or another.....the only burned movie I own is a copy of Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and that was because my ex left it in my 360 and forgot it when she moved out....

 

[jks]

I didn't say everybody. But he said that people don't buy albums that they've downloaded, and the fact that people do discredits his arguement aswell.

No, what he said was "The more and more and more people download, the less albums will be sold." which is a fact...unless you are sitting there going to assume that the vast majority of people are going to go against what they've been engrained with for centuries. I swear people lose all capability of rational thought as soon as the word "free" is included about any product.

If they like Britney, fine, download her albums, or don't. Downloading albums isn't going to kill music.

Or buy them,like you're supposed to.

 

[BlackLantern]

It is a luxury but there’s brainless entertainment and then there’s inspirational entertainment, which occasionally can be called art. Inspirational entertainment is the one which grants a particular form of education to those people who seek it. Subsequently those people may create other art or function to better all our lives, for the sake of progress.
Sadly the two kinds are mashed in one and most often the first is much more preferred than the later. But that’s beside the point.
My point is that humans are curious by nature. There has to exist the option to satisfy that nature (either for a cost or for free, that’s irrelevant). Otherwise people are suppressing other people’s natural progression.
And anyway, we are all interconnected. How many dead animals you had to eat today? How many people in line stood before you and were responsible for you not making somewhere in time? How many red lights you had to stop and waste time at before you finally arrived to your destination? Who took the only job vacancy you so desperately desired? Life goes on and we all have a part in each others’, big or small as it may be.

There is nothing in the constitution that says you have the right to be entertained.....I have a job so I can afford to buy a game system and games when I want them. If I want to go to a concert or event I can usually figure out a way to afford tickets....if you are working in a Wal-Mart and making 7 dollars an hour and can't afford a game system or concert tickets to Hannah Montana...too ****ing bad.....heat up some mac and cheese and watch American Idol...

 

[PemLam]

There is nothing in the constitution that says you have the right to be entertained.....I have a job so I can afford to buy a game system and games when I want them. If I want to go to a concert or event I can usually figure out a way to afford tickets....if you are working in a Wal-Mart and making 7 dollars an hour and can't afford a game system or concert tickets to Hannah Montana...too ****ing bad.....heat up some mac and cheese and watch American Idol...

Blaspheemer!

 

[Norman Osborn]

A little off subject....I have a question and please keep in mind that I'm as far away from being a techie as Buddy Bianchalana is to being an all-star.

If I understand this torrent crap correctly, and I'm sure I don't...if I download a "torrent" lets say from Piratebay....that's not the actual song file correct?.....in fact the song file is not even hosted by Piratebay but rather the torrent acts as a map to show you someone who is actually hosting the file??..is that correct .....

...if the aforementioned is true, then other than the legal issue, isn't this also dangerous??....you have a connection with a computer owned by somebody you don't know.....can't this person access your computer and steal files?....or at the very least send a virus?.....all this to save 14.99?

 

[jks]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.torrent

 

[BlackLantern]

Blaspheemer!

I just wanted to think up the most tasteless and idiotc show I could think of....

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

There is nothing in the constitution that says you have the right to be entertained.....I have a job so I can afford to buy a game system and games when I want them. If I want to go to a concert or event I can usually figure out a way to afford tickets....if you are working in a Wal-Mart and making 7 dollars an hour and can't afford a game system or concert tickets to Hannah Montana...too ****ing bad.....heat up some mac and cheese and watch American Idol...

No, you’re still not getting my point. It’s not about only your country. It’s about people like me who don’t mind spending money on art from the US but just don’t have the ****ing option to. Here! I have 5-10 dollars to spend on a movie, now where’s my ****ing movie? To ‘adjust’ is to say that I have to afford a trip to a country that has a screening of a particular film. Other people around the world with relatively the same income as me get to see it, why can’t I?

 

[bell110]

No, what he said was "The more and more and more people download, the less albums will be sold." which is a fact...unless you are sitting there going to assume that the vast majority of people are going to go against what they've been engrained with for centuries. I swear people lose all capability of rational thought as soon as the word "free" is included about any product.

It's not fact. It's something the RIAA tells people. And to assume the vast majority of the people are engrained to get things for free is just that, an assumption.

 

[BlackLantern]

No, you’re still not getting my point. It’s not about only your country. It’s about people like me who don’t mind spending money on art from the US but just don’t have the ****ing option to. Here! I have 5-10 dollars to spend on a movie, now where’s my ****ing movie? To ‘adjust’ is to say that I have to afford a trip to a country that has a screening of a particular film. Other people around the world with relatively the same income as me get to see it, why can’t I?

Then you make do with what you have or do without....I'm not going to feel sorry for you because you are stuck somewhere with no access to certain entertainment options....I'm sure other people in your locale have been finding ways to entertain themselves for a long, long time before the internet came along.....Me on the other hand...I live in Connecticut, which is 1 hour from NYC and about 90 minutes from Boston....I have access to whole lot of entertainment options.....

 

[jks]

It's not fact. It's something the RIAA tells people. And to assume the vast majority of the people are engrained to get things for free is just that, an assumption.

Ok, I'll concede it's an assumption, but t least it's an educated assumption. It's HUMAN NATURE to get for free something they normally would have to earn in some other way. If you're seriously sitting there trying to argue against human nature then that really shows just how thin your defense is.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Then you make do with what you have or do without....I'm not going to feel sorry for you because you are stuck somewhere with no access to certain entertainment options....

You're not sorry for me and yet you protect the little movie industry bees?
Isn't that a double standard? Wasn't this about equality, respect and accessibility?

 

[Figs]

You're not sorry for me and yet you protect the little movie industry bees?
Isn't that a double standard? Wasn't this about equality, respect and accessibility?

Equality doesn't mean feeling sorry and taking pity on the slackers and bums or even the people born into poor families(which isn't really an excuse either). He isn't fully defending the "rich big wigs", it's about the little people behind the scenes that has alread been brought up multiple times in this thread. The people that get layed off/fired if the company can't make enough profit.

 

[bell110]

Ok, I'll concede it's an assumption, but t least it's an educated assumption. It's HUMAN NATURE to get for free something they normally would have to earn in some other way. If you're seriously sitting there trying to argue against human nature then that really shows just how thin your defense is.

I'm not arguing about human nature or people wanting things for free. I'm arguing that illegal downloads aren't a bad thing. Album sales fluxuate up and down all the time. To say it's all because of illegal downloads is not accurate.

Actually, upon reading some sites, LEGAL downloads are to blame for the album slump.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

He isn't fully defending the "rich big wigs", it's about the little people behind the scenes that has alread been brought up multiple times in this thread. The people that get layed off/fired if the company can't make enough profit.

Yes, that's what I meant by movie industry 'bees'.

See that’s the kind of attitude that needs to change if you want to exterminate piracy and make way for a legal system of fast and easily accessible distribution. If you couldn’t care less for the people who can’t afford the things you take for granted than you know how those people feel who download movies couldn’t care less about the film industry.