The Piracy Threat...?

[BlackLantern]

Wow, you're so hilariously hypocritical, like a real live caricature.
So why do you care for the movie crews so much? Pirates think they have nothing to do with them either. And, don’t you see, you share their mentality. All you care is about your own self and your own surroundings. Damn, even Hollywood is smarter than you.
I’m saying that you, as a movie company CEO, let’s imagine, should care for the people who want to pay for the entertainment that you are providing. The costumer is always right. As in my previous post, I put forward a project that could passively reduce piracy, instead of wasting money on a manhunt. There are other, more constructive options than that.
Stop all the hatin'! Violence is not the answer!

Movies from the US are released abroad in cooperation with overseas distribution...I'm all for sharing as long as its done legally. If wherever you live doesn't import our movies, then maybe you should go bother them and try and insitute some positive change instead of resorting to theivery.

 

[Kelly]

Again, I'm not advocating theives, I'm defending the demand, those two parties should be distinct.
Sorry for the double post.

Demand?


Well hell yeah, they demand free movies, who wouldn't......


I demand free margaritas....but you don't see me stealing them.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Either learn how to do without or adjust your lifestyle so you can get access to those films by legal means..Entertainment is not a right, its a luxury.....

Exactly you don't need ot to live.

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Movies from the US are released abroad in cooperation with overseas distribution...I'm all for sharing as long as its done legally. If wherever you live doesn't import our movies, then maybe you should go bother them and try and insitute some positive change instead of resorting to theivery.

Demand?
Well hell yeah, they demand free movies, who wouldn't......
I demand free margaritas....but you don't see me stealing them.

For ****’s sake, I’m not the devil’s advocate here! I never used the words ‘it’s ok to download pirated movies and music’! Stop insulting my intelligence!
Again and again, I’m trying to open your eyes to something that, yes, BlackLantern, you’re right, they are cooperating with overseas distributors and so many copies are stolen right on the path to those foreign countries. When will you realise that it’s not only about your country and see that big picture out there abroad? Who should be concerned with the clear and legal distribution of a product? The client countries or the company that manufactures the product?

Exactly you don't need ot to live.

Yeah, existence is enough for you!

 

[Figs]

Legal stuff of course, dummy. And movies are not cocaine.


It's not a necessity to drink alcohol or kill for food and yet you wouldn’t miss out on your juicy stake and beer now, would you?
Yes, you’re right, it’s not essential for survival but as I said - it’s human nature. People want to experience what other people do and most often can’t do without once they did. It’s human psychology. And people around the world are trying to facilitate that. They share. If all movie companies would’ve been just as an ***hole as BlackLantern is, they would’ve got 90% less income than they do now. They share for profit, like smart businessmen do.
All I’m trying to say is that it’s no wonder that people are resorting to stealing. It’s not as much as greed as it is envy. And as I see it, piracy will still exist world wide until entertainment business progresses till the point where all movies and music, not just the most popular or profitable ones, can be brought world wide, through the internet or otherwise, just as soon as it becomes available in their country of origin.

I do understand were your coming from. It's just that people need to realize that life isn't fair and not everyone is going to get everything they want out of life. I consider myself a pretty big gamer, because of bills and responsibility I haven't been able to buy any of the new systems until 3 days ago I bought a Nintendo Wii. In my younger days when I had less bills I would have already boughten all 3 of the next gen systems on release. Just because I couldn't afford them right away or at all doesn't mean I should say screw the system and try to steal them from a store or another individual.

Believe me, I think it does suck that there are some people out there, say in America were it's not a dirt poor third world country, that can't afford to go see or buy all the movies or albums they want even though they do hold a job. That's just a sad fact of life. I wish they could but I'm fully against them crying about it as an excuse to steal. Especially when there are plenty of us that don't mind paying for stuff.

 

[Kelly]

I do understand were your coming from. It's just that people need to realize that life isn't fair and not everyone is going to get everything they want out of life. I consider myself a pretty big gamer, because of bills and responsibility I haven't been able to buy any of the new systems until 3 days ago I bought a Nintendo Wii. In my younger days when I had less bills I would have already boughten all 3 of the next gen systems on release. Just because I couldn't afford them right away or at all doesn't mean I should say screw the system and try to steal them from a store or another individual.

Believe me, I think it does suck that there are some people out there, say in America were it's not a dirt poor third world country, that can't afford to go see or buy all the movies or albums they want even though they do hold a job. That's just a sad fact of life. I wish they could but I'm fully against them crying about it as an excuse to steal. Especially when there are plenty of us that don't mind paying for stuff.

And now, not only are we paying, legally for what we are enjoying.....we are also paying for those that are illegally doing the same....

 

[Figs]

And now, not only are we paying, legally for what we are enjoying.....we are also paying for those that are illegally doing the same....

Very true! Especially since over time if it keeps getting worse, the companies might just jack up the prices again to make up for the loss.

 

[Kelly]

Very true! Especially since over time if it keeps getting worse, the companies might just jack up the prices again to make up for the loss.

Exactly, in the long run, nothing is free.....


Just different people paying for it......

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Well, it couldn't be as much as you're paying for the death of pigs, cows or Iraqis.
You shouldn’t masquerade your envy with the concern for the movie company staff.
In reality it barely touches you financially and you move on with your life.
What I am proposing is an endorsement in a constructive solution, not retribution.

 

[Kelly]

Well, it couldn't be as much as you're paying for the death of pigs, cows or Iraqis.
You shouldn’t masquerade your envy with the concern for the movie company staff.
In reality it barely touches you financially and you move on with your life.
What I am proposing is an endorsement in a constructive solution, not retribution.

Ya see, thats something you have no idea about, so to bring it up here is ignorant...

The thread is about piracy.....there are other threads about the death of Iraqis....

You want to start a thread on pigs and cows, more power to ya....but don't be so ignorant or pompous to think that you know how this impacts me or not....

 

[Trevor Goodchild]

Ya see, thats something you have no idea about, so to bring it up here is ignorant...
The thread is about piracy.....there are other threads about the death of Iraqis....
You want to start a thread on pigs and cows, more power to ya....but don't be so ignorant or pompous to think that you know how this impacts me or not....

Fare enough. But you were the one who accused me of defending piracy.
Anyways, I'm out of here, the Godfather is already on 94%. t:

 

[Kelly]

Fare enough. But you were the one who accused me of defending piracy.
Anyways, I'm out of here, the Godfather is already on 94%. t:

Show me in any of my posts where I accused you of defending piracy.....I haven't said ANYONE here is defending piracy....

I made a comment about the comparisons you were using....that is all.

 

[teseract]

For some there is no legal way to get certain type of movies. For example if you like Japanese TV-Drama you can be certain that you will never get any legal chance to obtain the stuff because they don't market their products out of Japan. You can download it from so called fan subbers who get the raw, then translate it on their own time and cost then release it to the people for free or you can buy a Hong Kong DVD, which are normally bad quality pirated copies of the show, no matter how you look at it you only got illegal means to obtain it. The only thing to make it really legal would be to learn japanese and then buy the japanese originals, however considering that a lot of Japanese Corporations feel that there is no marked for their stuff expect for anime releases and your occasional Movie I think it's not stealing, simply because they wouldn't make money out of it the first place since it's never released here.

On another note. I consider it thievery, when I should pay for a TV-show which everyone and their grandmother got to see for free, tape and copy as much as he or she liked to do. Just because I sit in another country I should start paying huge amounts of cash for the season DVD? I DON'T think so.

 

[BlackLantern]

For some there is no legal way to get certain type of movies. For example if you like Japanese TV-Drama you can be certain that you will never get any legal chance to obtain the stuff because they don't market their products out of Japan. You can download it from so called fan subbers who get the raw, then translate it on their own time and cost then release it to the people for free or you can buy a Hong Kong DVD, which are normally bad quality pirated copies of the show, no matter how you look at it you only got illegal means to obtain it. The only thing to make it really legal would be to learn japanese and then buy the japanese originals, however considering that a lot of Japanese Corporations feel that there is no marked for their stuff expect for anime releases and your occasional Movie I think it's not stealing, simply because they wouldn't make money out of it the first place since it's never released here.

On another note. I consider it thievery, when I should pay for a TV-show which everyone and their grandmother got to see for free, tape and copy as much as he liked to do. Just because I sit in another country I should start paying huge amounts of cash for the season DVD? I DON'T think so.

Then those people can learn to do without....

 

[teseract]

Then those people can learn to do without....

And I say, I don't see why they should.

 

[bullets]

 

[teseract]

If a handbag can be copied infinitely without loss of quality then maybe you would be up to something with your analogy. Otherwise Goods and Data don't compare. The value of Goods is dependent on their raretiy. The problem is, Music, Movies etc are not longer limited commodities, on the contrary, they can be infinitely reproduced with a mouseclick and that's the problem, as long as the industries don't realize that simple fact and restructure their business models accordingly they will continue to loose money as well as costumers and sooner or later will go out of business.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

If a handbag can be copied invinitely without loss of quality then maybe you would be up to something with your analogy. Otherwise Goods and Data don't compare.

Thats from oen of those ads about saying stealin is stealin no matter what you take.

The law is the law no exceptions.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

And I say, I don't see why they should.

Well i say i see why they should't pay for it like everyone else does.

if i wanna buy a dvd and i think it cost too much. I do eother of 2 things wait for it to go down in price or buy it preused.


There's no need for something you don't need if you can't afford it.

 

[teseract]

Thats from oen of those ads about saying stealin is stealin no matter what you take.

The law is the law no exceptions.

Who cares about the law? Especially when it tries to apply rules for physical goods onto things non-physical.

 

[teseract]

Well i say i see why they should't pay for it like everyone else does.

if i wanna buy a dvd and i think it cost too much. I do eother of 2 things wait for it to go down in price or buy it preused.


There's no need for something you don't need if you can't afford it.

If you would have read my post earlier you would have realized that they CAN'T pay for it, because there is no legal channel to obtain the goods the first place.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Who cares about the law?

You, when a guy is raping your wife.

You, when you've put 100 hours into painting a mural and some braindead, glue-sniffing gangsta tags all over it.

You, when you get home from a movie and see that someone has broken in and smeared feces all over your walls.

You, when you leave a job and they don't give you your last check.

You, when a weirdo comes up on the street and punches you for no reason.

You.

 

[teseract]

You, when a guy is raping your wife.

You, when you've put 100 hours into painting a mural and some braindead, glue-sniffing gangsta tags all over it.

You, when you get home from a movie and see that someone has broken in and smeared feces all over your walls.

You, when you leave a job and they don't give you your last check.

You, when a weirdo comes up on the street and punches you for no reason.

You.

And you see the differences there? They are all things that are physical in nature, not digital.

And yes I care about those laws, but I don't care about copyright laws, especially when an act of violating it doesn't result in a loss of revenue like in the example I have cited.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

If you would have read my post earlier you would have realized that they CAN'T pay for it, because there is no legal channel to obtain the goods the first place.

Well thats just to bad then. Deal without it.

You can always get what you need but you get what you need.


Be glad you have the stuff you have in your lifes other people have half the stuff you do.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Who cares about the law? Especially when it tries to apply rules for physical goods onto things non-physical.

So if a guy wants your wallet and shoots you. Do you care then? Or are you just gonna strug it on and move on with your life?